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Just finished watching Season 1 of The Walking Dead with the gf last night. I was pretty impressed with the show. As with Fitzz's lady, The part I find interesting right now is how the d-bag brothers will clash when there is a reunion. If my theory is correct I want to see how Darryl reacts. It's clear he's always looked up to Merl for his toughness and hasn't grown out of the little brother role yet. However, his sympathy and more tolerant attitude point to the idea that he might not always accept his brothers horrible behavior and may even turn against him later in the show. Honestly I was surprised he was Merl's brother. He may have a bad temper but other than that he's a much more reasonable person. I thought the wife beater guy who's name I didn't even bother learning was Merl's brother when they first introduced him.

Also I was really looking forward to adding a doctor to the surviving party, guess I'll just have to wait for my favorite archetype to hopefully appear later. We'll have to see if which was my first thought on seeing that scene. Maybe they'll pull a Bebop with it and Rick will wake up back in the hospital and everything will be back to normal

Im really hoping the doc didnt say she was pregnant, but found something "interesting" and felt the need to tell Rick, as hes the obvious leader. I like my shows/movies not being obvious

Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.

Nerivant wrote:
Shane would be okay, I guess, but I'd prefer to not be worrying about whether or not the guy I'm on patrol with is going to shoot me and dump the body for the walkers.

My worry was justified, it seems.

Yeah, I'll stick with Daryl.

You called it.

I'm also a fan of the chubby fella. He's been good in everything I've seen him in.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.

...Here we go..I for one perfectly understand Shane's actions...yes they were harsh...but..

FITZZ wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.

...Here we go..I for one perfectly understand Shane's actions...yes they were harsh...but..

Spoiler:

Had he not shot Otis and left him for the Walkers ,both of them would have probably died...and Carl as well most likely.
His actions may have seemed cruel....but they allowed two people to go on living.

Good point, but I doubt he was thinking that far ahead. Too busy limping.

Nerivant wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Soooo. You guys still want Shane in your survival party? I'm sticking with Rick.

...Here we go..I for one perfectly understand Shane's actions...yes they were harsh...but..

Spoiler:

Had he not shot Otis and left him for the Walkers ,both of them would have probably died...and Carl as well most likely.
His actions may have seemed cruel....but they allowed two people to go on living.

Good point, but I doubt he was thinking that far ahead. Too busy limping.

I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.

FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.

And for the record, I loved it.

I like Shane. I just wouldn't like him around.

Nerivant wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.

And for the record, I loved it.

I like Shane. I just wouldn't like him around.

... I can definitely see your point, what makes Shane " dangerous" to the rest of the group is that they are unaware of the fact that he's prepared to do whatever it takes to survive and accomplish goals...they have no way of knowing where his " line" is...since they don't know it exist.
But from an " informed outsider" perspective....I'd have no problem having Shane along, knowing he could handle making " tough" choices that might go against what the " Normal world" would consider....moral or " right".
...Of all the characters in the show, I'd opt to have Shane, Daryl , Dale....and possiably Andrea ( now that she seems to be toughening up) on my " team".

Honestly, I think the next episode would be better if someone else was there to witness what Shane did to Otis.

It was important for his character, but it didn't really create any conflict. A "whose life was worth more, Otis' or Carl's" situation would add some tension to the boring-as-feth farmhouse scenes.

Nerivant wrote:Honestly, I think the next episode would be better if someone else was there to witness what Shane did to Otis.

It was important for his character, but it didn't really create any conflict. A "whose life was worth more, Otis' or Carl's" situation would add some tension to the boring-as-feth farmhouse scenes.

That could be interesting...but I doubt it will happen, I think the angle in the show will be slightly more " Hitchcock", in that we the viewers will be aware of the " ticking bomb" ( Shane)...but those in the situation won't be.

I thought it was great. And the fact that the episode ended with him shaving his head to avoid what almost happened happening again if he had to make that decision in the future was awesome. I'd also point out that he doesn't seem to have realized how far he would go until that moment.

They also departed pretty heavily from the comic. Otis, if I remember right, was suppose to last quite a bit longer. Granted they added Darryl, Shane, and T-Dog so I guess it has to balance out a bit.

As far as the farmhouse at the current pacing they should only be there for 3-4 more episodes tops before they have to move on.

I kinda took Shane's offing Otis as "I'm nuts and maybe this will get rick's wife to wanna love me up"

Necros wrote:I kinda took Shane's offing Otis as "I'm nuts and maybe this will get rick's wife to wanna love me up"

... While perhaps wanting to show Lori that he's a better choice in this " brave new world" than Rick is could have been part of his motivation...I'd see it as a rather minor thing...I think Shane genuinly cared about saving Carl ( and himself).

Walking Dead Survival Party: Daryl, Rick, Dale, Glen (Asian Dude?).

Its like building a balanced DND party. Daryl is your Ranger/survivalist/tracker. Rick is your fighter/frontliner. Dale is the team lookout and knowledge guy/car fixer. Glen is the rogue of the group and helps gather supplies unseen while also being awesome.

All they need now is a dedicated and more youthful healer type and they'll be set.

Shane is a loose cannon. Although I understand his actions and motives, he's a very selfish and self centered person. We're seeing the Lord of the Flies effect on the group right now. The constant stress to survive is starting to make the civilized parts of the group void and the animalistic survivalist within them emerge. Shane is the extreme example of this but also Rick's wife and Andrea as well.

VIP of the group: Daryl by a long shot.

Im siding with FITZZ alot on where I stand with Shane. I wont lie, in an APOC situation, its going to be me safe guarding my family first. Ill play nice and all that, if its beneficial to my owns survival, but if anything happens that can put them in danger, Im sorry but I would do the same fething thing, but I would of shot him in the gut instead of the leg. Stomach wounds are terrible, you bleed like crazy, and its crippling, he probably wouldnt of really had the strength to hold on like that with a bullet in his belly.



So, are they going to find the girl or what?


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hivemind66 wrote:Walking Dead Survival Party: Daryl, Rick, Dale, Glen (Asian Dude?).

Its like building a balanced DND party. Daryl is your Ranger/survivalist/tracker. Rick is your fighter/frontliner. Dale is the team lookout and knowledge guy/car fixer. Glen is the rogue of the group and helps gather supplies unseen while also being awesome.

All they need now is a dedicated and more youthful healer type and they'll be set.

Shane is a loose cannon. Although I understand his actions and motives, he's a very selfish and self centered person. We're seeing the Lord of the Flies effect on the group right now. The constant stress to survive is starting to make the civilized parts of the group void and the animalistic survivalist within them emerge. Shane is the extreme example of this but also Rick's wife and Andrea as well.

VIP of the group: Daryl by a long shot.

Agreed, and hes REALLY growing on me. At first I wasnt sure about him, but hes starting to do helpful things for the group, and hell he even went out at night to look for that ladies daughter. Sure he said it was because he couldnt sleep and all that, gotta keep his image going, but that guy would be an extremely helpful person to have around

Funny, on another site I'm in a big debate where the most vocal people are condemning Shane's actions while not really offering any other alternatives besides both him and Otis dying because that would be the moral thing to do.

Shane is a loose cannon. He's not dealing well with the happy little family he was building coming apart. Leaving actually wouldn't be a horrible thing aside from the party losing someone who's good with a gun (these people's abilities to get head shots are down right supernatural) but losing someone who's mental stability is really in question.

I think Dale had a very small moment of gigantic character development when T-Dog called him out on not really doing anything to the van while everyone was gone. His little almost off the cuff comment about trying to delay the inevitable "Needs of the many," discussion revealed a ton about him and how good a hand he has on the situation but also how he's trying to preserve some semblance of civilization in a situation where it's all too easy, arguably necessary, to be rid of it.

FITZZ wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.

And for the record, I loved it.

I like Shane. I just wouldn't like him around.

... I can definitely see your point, what makes Shane " dangerous" to the rest of the group is that they are unaware of the fact that he's prepared to do whatever it takes to survive and accomplish goals...they have no way of knowing where his " line" is...since they don't know it exist.
But from an " informed outsider" perspective....I'd have no problem having Shane along, knowing he could handle making " tough" choices that might go against what the " Normal world" would consider....moral or " right".
...Of all the characters in the show, I'd opt to have Shane, Daryl , Dale....and possiably Andrea ( now that she seems to be toughening up) on my " team".

....what if he shoots you in the leg and then you get eaten by zombies?

KamikazeCanuck wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

Nerivant wrote:

FITZZ wrote:
I don't think he was thinking ahead at all, no way was the action premeditated ...rather I believe Shane simply ( and quickly) realized what needed to be done in the situation and then did it.

And for the record, I loved it.

I like Shane. I just wouldn't like him around.

... I can definitely see your point, what makes Shane " dangerous" to the rest of the group is that they are unaware of the fact that he's prepared to do whatever it takes to survive and accomplish goals...they have no way of knowing where his " line" is...since they don't know it exist.
But from an " informed outsider" perspective....I'd have no problem having Shane along, knowing he could handle making " tough" choices that might go against what the " Normal world" would consider....moral or " right".
...Of all the characters in the show, I'd opt to have Shane, Daryl , Dale....and possiably Andrea ( now that she seems to be toughening up) on my " team".

....what if he shoots you in the leg and then you get eaten by zombies?

... Then I probably deserved it..

Tyyr wrote:Funny, on another site I'm in a big debate where the most vocal people are condemning Shane's actions while not really offering any other alternatives besides both him and Otis dying because that would be the moral thing to do.

Ok, here's my thing Shane didn't shoot Otis to save Carl he did it to save himself. Yes, Otis if fat but he could have made it. He put himself in danger a few times to save Shane. He showed he's capable. Shane shot Otis because he hurt his ankle jumping out of a window. It's like that joke where I don't have to run faster than the bear I just have to run faster than you. Apparently Shane remembered that joke in mid run and realized he wasn't going as fast as the fat guy.

Ok, here's my thing Shane didn't shoot Otis to save Carl he did it to save himself. Yes, Otis if fat but he could have made it. He put himself in danger a few times to save Shane. He showed he's capable. Shane shot Otis because he hurt his ankle jumping out of a window. It's like that joke where I don't have to run faster than the bear I just have to run faster than you. Apparently Shane remembered that joke in mid run and realized he wasn't going as fast as the fat guy.

Except Otis hurt his leg jumping off the stands. The show went out of its way to demonstrate that they were both equally hobbled by their injuries. Otis wasn't leaving Shane, they were both staggering as quick as they could on their bum legs but the zombies were shambling faster. If he didn't do something they were both dead.

I don't remember that but I'll take your word for it because I already deleted it from my PVR.

Otis hopped off the bleachers, there's one of TWD's wonderful sound effects *crunch* and he staggers for the locker room limping and grunting in pain the whole way.

Tyyr wrote:

Ok, here's my thing Shane didn't shoot Otis to save Carl he did it to save himself. Yes, Otis if fat but he could have made it. He put himself in danger a few times to save Shane. He showed he's capable. Shane shot Otis because he hurt his ankle jumping out of a window. It's like that joke where I don't have to run faster than the bear I just have to run faster than you. Apparently Shane remembered that joke in mid run and realized he wasn't going as fast as the fat guy.

Except Otis hurt his leg jumping off the stands. The show went out of its way to demonstrate that they were both equally hobbled by their injuries. Otis wasn't leaving Shane, they were both staggering as quick as they could on their bum legs but the zombies were shambling faster. If he didn't do something they were both dead.

Exactly...and I still say Shane popped Otis not only to save his own backside, but to save Carl as well...Shane knew that he and Otis would both die and thus Carl would die as well ( making the whole trip to the high school a waste...three lives lost for no gain)...so he made the choice to sacrifice Otis.

Ya, well what goes around comes around and I'm looking forward to seeing it come back around for Shane.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, well what goes around comes around and I'm looking forward to seeing it come back around for Shane.

Nerivant wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Ya, well what goes around comes around and I'm looking forward to seeing it come back around for Shane.

Spoiler:

I hope it goes full circle and Carl kills Shane.

That'd be proper.