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Indeed.

an all Resin/Plastic army.

Empire had the first possable all plastic army. Ogres will have the first complete non-metal range

agnosto wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Very interesting info roundup. Overall I think the book is shaping up quite well. And all the units have models? Heh when was the last time that happened?

And none of them are going to be metal. I think it's a first.

Seems so. Though there will be Finecast, so it's not "all-plastic".

lord_blackfang wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:Judging by the picture, there are 2 models per box (I can spot only two different Mournfang bodies and two rider bodies)

I don't mean to snap but you should look a little closer. The front three are definitely all different.

Sorry, but only the heads are different. Look at the legs, fur...

To back up lord_blackfang, the unit size is 2+

Thats a bit of a weird choice for unit sizes. Most mins are either one or 3

kenshin620 wrote:Thats a bit of a weird choice for unit sizes. Most mins are either one or 3

Just out of curiosity, what are Bloodcrushers?

1+ if I remember right.

Hulk, you would be correct as far as I know. in 40k it is 1-8 bloodcrushers. I dont know for fantasy since I dont have the codex :( i hope its the same

Kanluwen wrote:

agnosto wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:Very interesting info roundup. Overall I think the book is shaping up quite well. And all the units have models? Heh when was the last time that happened?

And none of them are going to be metal. I think it's a first.

Seems so. Though there will be Finecast, so it's not "all-plastic".

Finecast, being resin, is by definition, plastic. Semantics I know, but worth pointing out.

I dunno, I feel kinda cheated here. I'm glad my Ogres will be getting some love, but I feel like they are getting less love than all the other recent army books. We have less units, less special characters, etc. Nothing that really screams 'OMG YES YES YES' at me like the other books (so far). Overall, very plain jane it seems. I'm especially disappointed by the fact that Big Names seem to have received absolutely no love whatsoever. It seemed like a really easy fix to me that was overlooked entirely by the design studio.

chaos0xomega wrote:I dunno, I feel kinda cheated here. I'm glad my Ogres will be getting some love, but I feel like they are getting less love than all the other recent army books. We have less units, less special characters, etc. Nothing that really screams 'OMG YES YES YES' at me like the other books (so far). Overall, very plain jane it seems. I'm especially disappointed by the fact that Big Names seem to have received absolutely no love whatsoever. It seemed like a really easy fix to me that was overlooked entirely by the design studio.

So sad about big names.

As a recovering Chaos addict i was really hoping it would be brought in line with gifts(as far as i know still don't count towards allowance, forgive me its been awhile) so i could properly ween myself off!

Big Names really havn't changed. they still come out of the Magic allowance, no big deal.

Mawseeker got a huge price jack(its 20 Gnoblars now as opposed to previous cost of 5g), I hope they clarify with an FAQ that Stupidity actually does give the unit ItP. thats the only way Mawseeker is really going to be worth it.

Other then that, they basically all stayed the same with 1 new big name and some being brought up to date and costed more in line with their effect in 8th. At least they are still there.

Yes, they are still there in all there uselessness. I think only 2 or 3 of those names were ever used/at all practical, and that was due in large part to the fact that they come out of your magic items allowance. The easy fix would have been to make them additional wargear.

chaos0xomega wrote:

I dunno, I feel kinda cheated here. I'm glad my Ogres will be getting some love, but I feel like they are getting less love than all the other recent army books. We have less units, less special characters, etc. Nothing that really screams 'OMG YES YES YES' at me like the other books (so far). Overall, very plain jane it seems. I'm especially disappointed by the fact that Big Names seem to have received absolutely no love whatsoever. It seemed like a really easy fix to me that was overlooked entirely by the design studio.

A new army book and several new models - most of them quite large plastic kits - and you're feeling 'cheated'.

I am just glad I will likely be able to do well with them.

I do ok now, but I will appreciate an increase in competability.


and the new plastic kits are amazing. I wasn't sure about the Mournfangs at first, Ogres riding cats just seemed wrong, but the models have grown on me.

Y'know, I may not like a lot of business decisions GW makes... I may not like the prices (in terms of hikes making sense)... I may occasionally think the fluff is stagnant...

But I'll be damned if I can't admit they are putting out some damned fine looking models in the past 2 years. One or 2 exceptions, sure (SR and Dreadknight cough cough), but in general, BA, GK, Khemri, HE and Skaven, Orcs, DE and now Ogre Kingddoms are extremely solid release cycles for me.

Tailgunner wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

I dunno, I feel kinda cheated here. I'm glad my Ogres will be getting some love, but I feel like they are getting less love than all the other recent army books. We have less units, less special characters, etc. Nothing that really screams 'OMG YES YES YES' at me like the other books (so far). Overall, very plain jane it seems. I'm especially disappointed by the fact that Big Names seem to have received absolutely no love whatsoever. It seemed like a really easy fix to me that was overlooked entirely by the design studio.

A new army book and several new models - most of them quite large plastic kits - and you're feeling 'cheated'.

Yeah, I can't really use any of them as they don't fit my theme, but thats mostly my fault.

agnosto wrote:From VoodooChilly on Ogre Stronghold...I didn't see this anywhere else in the thread but some of the pics on here were showing up as a red X on my computer..Somewhat fuzzy front-shot of a Thundertusk..

So we finally know how it eats

I am wondering if the thing on its chin and the tusks on the sides are simply metal attachments. they don't seem to have any organic componants from the pictures.

Oh man! Now I'm going to have to do an Ogre army.

ogres smogres, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

Grey Templar wrote:I am wondering if the thing on its chin and the tusks on the sides are simply metal attachments. they don't seem to have any organic componants from the pictures.

Artwork from book:

I want those monsters...

I don't know what for, or how i will use them...

But my god i want one !

And its a 2 for 1 kit too. Thundertusk or Stonehorn with plastic Hunter rider options.

The Scraplauncher/Ironblaster kit is going to have tons of bits too

UltraPrime wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:I am wondering if the thing on its chin and the tusks on the sides are simply metal attachments. they don't seem to have any organic componants from the pictures.

Artwork from book:

The picture, she no worky for me

Grey Templar wrote:

The picture, she no worky for me

Try draging the broken icon to your url, flickr is a little wonky when it comes to using img link

kenshin620 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

The picture, she no worky for me

Try dragging the broken icon to your url, flickr is a little wonky when it comes to using img link

Yeah...it'd be nice if people would stop using it then.

I think the things should have trunks or something so they can eat.

or perhaps they browse on trees and Giraffes.


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Some more things got dug up

From EgGianttripper

This was pointed out by Hitsugaya Toushiro on Warseer, so credit goes to him.

In the new book, Slaughtermasters and Butchers will have access to ironfists (I can 99% confirm this). As ironfists are mundane armour (they're shields), SMs and Butchers will have access to magic armour. Your thoughts?

This allows butchers to have some decent saves that arn't just wards or regen.

I have some potential combinations


Armor of Fortune and Ironfist: 4+ armor, 5+ ward: leaves 15 magic points for butcher, 65 for SM

Gamblers armor and Ironfist: 4+ armor, 6+ ward: leaves 30 magic points, 80 for SM

Armor of Destiny and Ironfist: 4+ armor, 4+ ward: leaves no magic for butcher, 50 for SM

Tricksters helm and Ironfist: 5+ armor, 6+ ward, reroll to wound: leaves no magic for butcher, 50 for SM


those are some respectable saves are decent cost.

armor of destiny seems like a really good choice for the SM. really can't get better saves and still have a decent amount of points for things like channeling staff or dispell scroll.

Armor of Fortune looks like a good compromise for a Butcher between protection and other magic items. Gamblers armor is a worse ward(and only to the front in CC) but you have more magic allowance.

RTGamer over at Warseer posted this price list:

Ogre Kingdoms Army Book (hardback, 96 pages): €32,50 £25.00 $41.25
Ogre Kingdoms Magic Cards (7 cards): €3,90 £3.25 $4.95

Plastic
Thundertusk/Stonehorn: €45,50 £36.00 $57.75
Ironblaster/Scraplauncher: €26,00 (old price: €39,00) £20.50 $33.00
Mournfang Cavalry (2 per box): €28,50 ~£21.50 ~$36.00
Ogre Bulls (repack): €30,00 (old price: €30,00) £22.50 $40.00
Gnoblar Warriors (repack): €30,00 (old price: €30,00) £22.50 $40.00
Leadbelchers (repack): €30,00 (old price: €30,00) £22.50 $40.00
Ironguts (repack): €30,00 (old price: €30,00) £22.50 $40.00
Ogre Kingdoms Battalion (repack): €80,00 Unsure seems to be a very cheap battalion.

Finecast
Tyrant (current mini): €30,00 (old price: €32,50) £22.50 $40.00
Butcher (current mini): €30,00 (old price: €30,00) £22.50 $40.00
Gorger (current mini): €20,75 (old price: €17,50) £15.50 $24.75
Yhetees (3 per box, current minis): €39,00 (old price: €52,50) £31.00 $49.50
Golgfag Maneater: €30,00 £22.50 $40.00
Bragg the Gutsman: €30,00 £22.50 $40.00
Firebelly: €30,00 £22.50 $40.00

There goes my next couple paydays...and I was gonna finish my tattoo soon, oh well.

My opinion on the price breakdown

Thundertusk/Stonehorn
Ehh price to be expected even if its high

Ironblaster/Scraplauncher
Hmm thats not too bad!

Mournfang Cavalry (2 per box)
Ouch if you want large units

Ogre Bulls (repack)
Ok (if the numbers are the same?)

Gnoblar Warriors (repack)
Ok ($5 more though!)

Leadbelchers (repack)
Ok (if the numbers are the same?)

Ironguts (repack)
Ok (if the numbers are the same?)

Ogre Kingdoms Battalion (repack)
What was the last price of the battalion? Wonder if it has the same composition


Finecast
Tyrant (current mini)
Wee bit cheaper! But it is much more efficient to make your own imo

Butcher (current mini)
Ok ($5 more though!)

Gorger (current mini)
Ok (wee bit more)

Yhetees (3 per box, current minis)
Not bad! Save quite a bit

Golgfag Maneater
Bragg the Gutsman
Firebelly
In line with the other ogre characters

Imo doesnt seem too bad, unless of course you want to go monster heavy. If the numbers are still the same in the boxes then it shouldnt cost all that much to make a core army. Heck Yehtees are cheaper now!

3 characters, a monster with howdah, a warmachine and one new unit is the standard release nowadays.
$40.00 for one character on foot is quite a lot, the price of a full standard regiment.
And somehow I didn't expect the words "Yhetee" and "not bad" in one sentence of an Ogre kingdom thread.

Kroothawk wrote:$40.00 for one character on foot is quite a lot, the price of a full standard regiment.

And somehow I didn't expect the words "Yhetee" and "not bad" in one sentence of an Ogre kingdom thread.

Well I'm not saying that its a fair price (many other companies can make a similar sized model fro around $20-30) but at least it isnt going any higher (well except for the slaughterers), albeit in finecast. Still thats why I made the comment that its better on the wallet to GS/convert a plastic ogre up to be a hero


Maybe a real yhetee went to GW and asked if they could be improved in any way, including pricing