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**Grey Templar**

Yeah, a small rhinox.

although they are getting a similer stat line, with higher movement(M8)

**FearPeteySodes**

We haven't had any indication towards getting new sabertusks have we?

**Grey Templar**

Just them switching to Finecast.

**Saintspirit**

Grey Templar wrote:
Saintspirit wrote:Hang on. Are the mournfang cavalry ogres mounted on sabretusks, or something similar?

No, its another cave beast called a Mournfang.

Sabertusks are only the size of horses, little more then a housecat for an Ogre.

Mournfangs look to be about the size of a Rhinox.

Thank Khorne for that. I thought they were the new sabretusks, in a way.
Any talk about new sabretusks?

**Grey Templar**

I doubt there will be new Sabretusk models. they'll just switch over to Finecast with everyone else.

**ceorron**

Schmapdi wrote:
AvatarForm wrote:I love the new look Ogres... less fat tavern drunks and more brawny brutes!

And here I came to post about how I liked the Firebelly but am dissapointed by how skinny he is He doesn't look very Ogre-y IMO.

I think the firebelly may have gone on a bit of a diet, he can only eat food if it is REALLY well done I think.

Edit:

Looking back at previous pages and firebelly jokes have already been done and substancially better, apologies for this.

**Alpharius**

FearPeteySodes wrote:We haven't had any indication towards getting new sabertusks have we?

Grey Templar wrote:Just them switching to Finecast.

Saintspirit wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Saintspirit wrote:Hang on. Are the mournfang cavalry ogres mounted on sabretusks, or something similar?

No, its another cave beast called a Mournfang.

Sabertusks are only the size of horses, little more then a housecat for an Ogre.

Mournfangs look to be about the size of a Rhinox.
Thank Khorne for that. I thought they were the new sabretusks, in a way.
Any talk about new sabretusks?

Grey Templar wrote:I doubt there will be new Sabretusk models. they'll just switch over to Finecast with everyone else.

Is there an echo in here?

These new releases... so many awesome new models, with more than a few bizarre design choices.

So strange...

**Grey Templar**

the change to Sabertusk rules makes them awsome.

1-10 unit size and only costing 10.5 gnoblars makes them the ultimate charge blockers. they can also hunt Warmachine crew with 4 Str4 attacks

get 5-8 single sabretusks running around and the ogres can dictate the game's charges even more effectivly then Warhounds or Skinks(or even kill those units outright)

**FearPeteySodes**

Grey Templar wrote:the change to Sabertusk rules makes them awsome.

1-10 unit size and only costing 10.5 gnoblars makes them the ultimate charge blockers. they can also hunt Warmachine crew with 4 Str4 attacks

get 5-8 single sabretusks running around and the ogres can dictate the game's charges even more effectivly then Warhounds or Skinks(or even kill those units outright)

Agreed, I'm very excited to see Ogres get some real variance in their toolbox. It's going to be a blast!

**agnosto**

From VoodooChilly on Ogre Stronghold...I didn't see this anywhere else in the thread but some of the pics on here were showing up as a red X on my computer..Somewhat fuzzy front-shot of a Thundertusk..

**TBD**

Grey Templar wrote:get 5-8 single sabretusks running around and the ogres can dictate the game's charges even more effectivly then Warhounds or Skinks(or even kill those units outright)

I think the usual army restrictions still apply, so you'd have to play very high pts games to be able to include 5-8 single & identical special choices

**Grey Templar**

silly me.

still, 4 units of these guys running around are going to mess charges up.

**Ehsteve**

What might really make or break this army is leadership. Hopefully they still cause fear like the current army book (which essentially makes them ItP in combat) but I still see that losing a single ogre or two in a rank will cause panic at range and anything which requires leadership or die (banshee howl, Casket) will be devastating.

However Inspiring Presence at 18" is still awesome (Mounted Hunter) and on a Stonehorn...that's one Lord/Hero that's going to hurt.

**Grey Templar**

Hunters still can't be the general.

We still cause Fear though.

our base Ld7 makes us rely on the General and BSB alot, but no more then say Empire.

**Deathwolf**

Can anything other than Tyrants or Bruisers be the army's General?

**Grey Templar**

Only the Hunter can't be the General, which is a shame as he is the only character that can take a mount, and you don't need Tyrants to take SMs.

**yeofooz**

Not sure if this has already been answered yet but I'd like to know if the ogre tyrant can take either of the big monsters (stonehorn, other one whose name I forget) as a mount.

Does anyone know?

**zeekill**

yeofooz wrote:Not sure if this has already been answered yet but I'd like to know if the ogre tyrant can take either of the big monsters (stonehorn, other one whose name I forget) as a mount.

Does anyone know?

From what I've read here, no.

**reds8n**

More from Warseer and Ogre Strnghold, thansk to all those who chipped in and Dr. Who for piecing it all together.

...odd things you wind up typing on the internet #23..

Q: The Firebelly seems very cheap if he's got butcher-stats (t5w4 etc)?

A: [Eg Giant-Tripper] The Firebelly has exactly the same stats as a Butcher AFAIK.

Q: On Gnoblar options:

A: [jtrowell] Also, gnoblars can now can have full command (yes, including banner and musician), and the champion is half the usual price for the command upgrade (other command upgrades have the new default 5-gnoblars cost). ... but Sharp stuff is now only a normal throwing weapon, so no more multi-attacks.

Trappers are a unit upgrade every model in enemy unit that successfully charged the gnoblars to take a Dangerous Terrain test… …It's every model in the enemy unit, as long as the Gnobs are charged in the front arc.

Q: Is the presence of Trapper upgrades in Gnoblar units revealed at deployment or are they hidden until the unit is charged?

A: There's nothing about the nature of Trappers in regards to representation, the opponent's knowledge etc. I assume it's totally appropriate to keep quiet about them as you might keep quiet about any other invisible upgrade, like a stat boost. That said, I doubt it'll ever be a point of contention because you'd be daft to field Gnobs without the upgrade IMO.

Q: Do we know if the insignificant rule is still in for Gnoblars and Ogres?

A: [VooDooChilly] Yea insignificant is still in but now called beneath contempt. No panic on friendly units.

Q: On Mournfang Cavalry options?

A: [VooDooChilly] Btw are people aware that MF riders can have IF or GW.

Q: On Hunter options and equipment?

A: [VooDooChilly] Hunter comes with Great Throwing Spears and LA and can take one of the following: XHW, IF, GW or Harpoon, Vulture. Harpoon and Vulture are the same cost.
Blood Vulture missile weapon 36" S4 single shot, Ignore Cover, Quick to Fire

Q: If you could "send out the bird" to scout enemy characters and hidden models in units?

A: [VooDooChilly] Thats what the Rock Eye is for and its half the cost of the Vulture, so you could always take both and say its the Vulture looking around.

Q: Can maneaters take ironfists? In general, what are maneaters weapon and armour options and how expensive are they in gnoblars?

A: [Eg Giant-Tripper, VooDooChilly] Unfortunately I don't think MEs can take IFs. HA is apparently 2 Gnobs, additional hand weapon 1 Gnob, great weapon 5.5 Gnobs, pistol 3.5 Gnobs, brace of pistols 6 Gnobs. Each command option is 5 Gnobs.

Q: How did the Dragonhide Banner change from the current one?

A: [VooDooChilly] Dragonhide is now reroll all 1s on To Hit,To Wound,Saving throws on the turn you charged plus the bearer has S3 Breath Weapon that causes Always Strike Last on the enemy unit until the end of its next turn.

Q: How many Wounds and what toughness do Mournfang Cav. have?

A: [VooDooChilly] 3 and 4

Q: Hunters on foot, can they move and fire with their harpoon launchers?

A: [jtrowell] No, the weapon is only move and fire when the hunter is mounted on a stonehorn.

Q: Any specifics on Goldtooth, other than the early rumors of more combat oriented?

A: Greasus got a bit cheaper, his 4+ ward became a proper ward, he's no longer the BSB, he no longer inflicts additional impact hits, his stupidity ability is limited to 18", he no longer requires Ironguts, put apart from that he's pretty much the same.

Q: Would it be possible for you to go through the Big Names like you did with the magic items?

A: Big names haven't really changed much at all, just point adjustments here and there. Beastkiller is now Hunters only and grants +1 to wound against large targets with both shooting and combat attacks if you're not using a magic weapon. There's a single new one, Brawlerguts, which is quite cheap and allows you to re-roll impact hit wounds.

Q: Does anyone know are the Butchers and the Slaughtermasters still immune to poison?

A: They are.

Q: I wonder if Yhetees still have their -1 to hit and Scale Terrain rules or if Aura of Frost is now the same as in the Storm of Magic book? (-1 WS)?

A: Yhetees are copied and pasted from the SoM book.

Q: Are there any mount options other than a Hunter on a Stonehorn?

A: No.

Q: And are the leadbelcher cannons much differant whilst Ithink about it?

A: [Hragged] Double the range (with long range penalty), D6 shots each, no misfires, move and fire without penalty, can fire every turn (don't need to spend a turn reloading, thank the Maw), slow to fire, minimum unit size of 3, no bonuses from the cannon in combat, and they'll be cheaper.

…Remeber that leadbelcher's need to hit the enemy so its D6 shot each hitting on 4+ per cannon.

Q: Do we have one or more units in the book without models? Like the Hierotitan or the Mangler Squig?

A: Every unit in the book has a model to represent it and all the new models have been leaked. No more surprises I'm afraid.

Q: Any info on Bragg and Golgfag?

A: Trust me, as long as you keep people aware of what Bragg actually does, no-one can accuse you of powergaming with him, he's very expensive for what he does (to be precise, he's 105 Gnobs for Bruiser stats, LA, S6 and HKB in challenges - furthermore if he kills someone in a challenge, all units in base contact are disrupted for a turn).

Golgfag's alright the vast majority of the time too, providing you don't get too lucky with him/equip him to be abusable (he gets 2D6x10 pts worth of free magic items at the start of the game, has slightly upgraded Bruiser stats, LA, lets one unit of Maneaters count as trusted allies and he costs 130 Gnobs).

…And 20pts of other items potentially. Alternatively, he could just have 20pts of items altogether.

…His cost is fixed. The items are completely free.

Q: Both are heroes then (Bragg and Golgfag), I assume? Are there any further Lord SCs besides Greasus and Skrag?

A: Both are heroes, Greasus and Skrag are the only SC lords. Skrag went up 12.5 Gnobs and remained 99% the same, Greasus went down 10 Gnobs and both improved and got worse in different ways.

Q: Any change about gorger?

A: 7.5 Gnobs more, frenzy replaces 'ravenous', ambushers replaces 'blood scent', special choice. Still single models. Skrag doesn't adjust the slots they occupy or anything like that, but still gives them benefits with his cauldron.

Q: Has anyone heard anything about possible upgrades/armament options for Iron guts?

A: There aren't any.

Q: Colour me stupid, but where is the catapult on the thundertusk? I'm seeing the chaintrap and the harpoon launcher, but no catapult. Is the banner supposed to be a catapult?

A: [Eastern Barbarian] imagine more like special ability that WORKS AS stonethrower

…I don't want to spoil EB's fun in regards to keeping people guessing about the Thundertusk, but it's a children's winter pastime... It's a snowball thrower?? Glad GW is adding a bit of comedy

Q: Does it manifest snowballs with its breath?

A: Pretty much. Okay, they're not actually snowballs, they're called something more threatening but that's what everyone is going to envisage, giant snowballs of DOOM.

Q: So both the Stonehorn and the Thundertusk are rather magical creatures, then?

A: The Thundertusk indeed gives off an aura of cold like the Yhetees. They're also incredibly ancient beasts, around when the Dragons and Dragon Ogres were doing their stuff and I'm not just talking about the general species, the individual beasts are that old.

…[Przemcio251] Well the thingy shooting snowballs is kind of fun especialy if you roll missfire it means you didn't shoot the snowball and thats it no missfire chart

As for Thundertusk's: Moves like a minotaur, fights like a ungor, strong as a doombull, tought like a hellcannon, has wounds like a doombull +1, initiative as a dwarf, has the same number of attacks as exalted hero.

Q: Now if we only knew if the new Leadbelcher shots had AP or not?

A: [przemcio251] Well they are slow to fire and AP may be fired after a move with no mod's to hit...

Q: On the Hellheart?

A: I discovered something I can't beleive I missed - for every wizard you manage to affect with the Hellheart, you gain an additional dispel die.

Q: On Ogre Handguns?

A: Multiple shots (Brace), armour piercing, quick to fire. Job's a good 'un.

Q: Can you employ some Ogre units as DoW in other lists?

A: The Dogs of War rule has gone completely.

Q: Does the poison effect on maneaters affect shooting attacks?

A: You're right Avian - it doesn't specify so it applies to both shooting and CC attacks.

Q: On Skrag old special rules?

A: Skrag allows Gorgers to be taken in units of up to 2 and ignore the usual restrictions on duplicate choices.

Q: That being said, is it definatly confirmed that Big names come out of magic item allowence?

A: Big names come out of the item allowance. It's such a shame that all but a couple will never see use, like last time.

Q: How much is giantbreaker? Would work well with either fencer's blades or sword of striking...

A: Same price, same effect, can't opt to flee or deny challenges, no Giant requirement. One of the better ones if not the best.

Q: Scammel, i am sorry if someone already asked or mentioned, what is the max pts of banner can the OK unit take? both of this three unit max 50 pts magic banner? Also, any of the unit's champion can take magic item? Last, do hunter have any range weapon he can take if not mounted?

A: Ironguts, Maneaters and Mournfangs are limited to 50pts per banner. There is no option for any unit champion to take a magic item in the book. The Hunter can take any 3 of his ranged weapons (harpoon, spear and BIRD) whether he's mounted or not.

Q: What does the Hunter’s Throwing spear do?

A: Range 12", S+1, quick to fire. It's alright on foot, but mounted the harpoon is superior.

Q: What is the Harpoon?

A: The harpoon is move or shoot (unless mounted), range 36", S6, D3 wounds, DOES NOT penetrate ranks or ignore armour. Asides from the spear which is free, the Hunter's weapon options are 5 Gnoblars.

Q: Is the bigname Kineater still in the book?

A: Kineater is still in, same effect, 5 Gnobs less.

Q: Is the S4 breath weapon of the Firebelly one use only and can be used in close combat (2d6 S4 hits) as normal breath weapons? Or is it more like lizardmen salamanders, so infinite breaths?

A: It's a S4 flaming breath weapon that acts like an ordinary BRB breath weapon. 60 Gnobs for repeated usage of it would be terrifying.

Q: Can Mournfang Cavalry have Great Weapons?

A: [Przemcio251] You can have either fist or GW the first costs 2.5 gnoblars, the lqtter costs 4 gnoblars.

Q: Is there still the stupid/tough Mawseeker name?

A: [Przemcio251] yes mawseeker + stupidity is still there.

Q: Any Assorted info?

A: [Hitsugaya Toushiro]

-leadbleachers can't stand and shoot

-Stonehorn has the "halves multiple wounds"....the Thundertusk no

-ogres with ironfist are only 16 old gnoblars

-all foot ogres (no mournfang cavalry) can have look-out gnoblar on standard bearer for 2,5 old gnoblars (so you need to buy standard bearer and if he die you lose look out sir on 3+ models)

-rare unit Stonehorn has an ogre beast rider on hit with chaintrap or harpoon launcher for free

-a Stonehorn ridden by Hunter has a special rule that says that ANY SHOOTING ATTACKS against the model are randomized (5+ hunter)......now...normal rulebook rules for templates like cannon balls say that both rider and mount are hit (so a S10 D6 wounds on rider and S10 D6 wounds on mount)......but by rulebook, Army Books rules OVERRIDE rulebook rules......so by RAW it looks like cannon balls on Hunter+Stonehorn only hit 1 of them......if it will not be faqed it's very nice.....hunter on stonehorn could be interesting....a nice Ward save on hunter and the stonehorn halves multiple wounds means a survivable unit....

-stonehorn has frenzy, thundertusk not

-the Great Maw spell is very risky if you roll misfire .

and another nice pic of the Mournfang riders, with great weapons.

**thenoobbomb**

Those Mounfang riders are cool.

**Flashman**

thenoobbomb wrote:Those Mounfang riders are cool.

Yes, shows the cat cav in a better light. I think they're growing on me.

Pink ogres look better too for some reason. The grey skin look was a bit dreary.

**nosferatu1001**

The stonehorn randomisation is exactly the same, from the sounds of it, as the Stegadon rules - so no reason it would be FAQ'd away

**iproxtaco**

Agreed, they actually look cool in that formation. That picture really shows the ogres as more random, good random.

**lord_blackfang**

Judging by the picture, there are 2 models per box (I can spot only two different Mournfang bodies and two rider bodies)

**Saintspirit**

Any info about the gnoblar SC who was sitting on a giant? Or was there no such thing?

**iproxtaco**

lord_blackfang wrote:Judging by the picture, there are 2 models per box (I can spot only two different Mournfang bodies and two rider bodies)

I don't mean to snap but you should look a little closer. The front three are definitely all different. I suspect a 3 model plastic box along the lines of the Tomb Kings Monstrous Cavalry, 31-33 British pounds, multiple options.

**lord_blackfang**

iproxtaco wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:Judging by the picture, there are 2 models per box (I can spot only two different Mournfang bodies and two rider bodies)

I don't mean to snap but you should look a little closer. The front three are definitely all different.

Sorry, but only the heads are different. Look at the legs, fur...

**kenshin620**

Very interesting info roundup. Overall I think the book is shaping up quite well. And all the units have models? Heh when was the last time that happened?

**Grey Templar**

The funny thing is that Ogres had models for everything in their last book too.

as for the reason there arn't any surprises, perhaps this means GW is going to release some WD rules for Rhinox Riders. It would fit the pattern.

**agnosto**

kenshin620 wrote:Very interesting info roundup. Overall I think the book is shaping up quite well. And all the units have models? Heh when was the last time that happened?

And none of them are going to be metal. I think it's a first.