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**kenshin620**

Well there not much you can do to make those silly cats look any better anyways

**H.B.M.C.**

kenshin620 wrote:I suddenly want to give that Firebelly a Dhalism paint job!

But instead of "Yoga fire!" it would be "Ogre fire!".

*rimshot*

Thank you. Thank you. I'm here all week.

**Sidstyler**

Nagashek wrote:
Falconlance wrote:
Ozymandias wrote:Hmmm... Ogres smashing Brettonians in the leaked picture... wonder if that is an Easter Egg for the next army book...

Tomb Kings did have artwork depicting a tomb king decapitating an ogre...

That's true, and the last Tau book depicted them dying in droves to Space Marines... Oh wait, Space Marines kill everyone now: even in that army's fluff.

On that note, there's been Tau artwork in every single new codex that's come out IIRC, and they still haven't gotten an update yet. So I don't think it's a good hint at what the next release is.

**Grey Templar**

I am not thrilled with the cats either, but they are tolerable.

Why no Rhinox? Why GW, WHY?

**kenshin620**

Grey Templar wrote:
Why no Rhinox? Why GW, WHY?

They are the Ogre's Hydra

**Grey Templar**

kenshin620 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Why no Rhinox? Why GW, WHY?

They are the Ogre's Hydra

Rhinox were nowhere NEAR as good as Hydra. they were fairly priced for their stats.

people just had hissy fits when Ogres actually started winning games so GW pulled the rules.

**kenshin620**

Grey Templar wrote:
kenshin620 wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
Why no Rhinox? Why GW, WHY?

They are the Ogre's Hydra

Rhinox were nowhere NEAR as good as Hydra. they were fairly priced for their stats.

people just had hissy fits when Ogres actually started winning games so GW pulled the rules.

Oh whoops

I meant THIS hydra. You can easily use the FW rules but you're gonna need to get the FW model!

**Kroothawk**

kenshin620 wrote:Well there not much you can do to make those silly cats look any better anyways

You can just buy the FW Rhinoxes, use the cat rules and pretent the cat models never happened.

BTW, here a rumour "FAQ" by Dr. Who over at Warseer:

Q: Did the average Ws is still 3? Any character upgrade inside units ? What about the background , is changed ?

A: 1. Yes 2. No 3. Not really changed except in a couple of instances, mostly expanded on. Some really cool and humorous bits in there.

Q: So that no hero or lord can join a unit of cav?

A: They can, but it'd be a silly idea.

Q: The ogres no weapon? + 10 pts for IF?

A: I may have misunderstood your question - there are no special character upgrades for units. Most units have equipment/command options of some sort, in fact more units no have access to command than there were before.
Quote:

Q: [On Mournfang movement rate] Move 7 I reckon?

A: I believe it's 8.

Q: Also, if hunter join a unit of tusks, can he have any spc rules

A: The Hunter and Sabretusks both get vanguard if they are deployed together.

Q: Can they have a magic banner in the new book? If they can is it limited to only one Irongut unit in the army?

A: Yes and yes, but Ironguts are just one of 3 units that can have a magic standard, not including the BSB.

Q: Do maneaters get 2 special rules by default, or it is more like an upgrade so you could run them with only 1 special rule or even none to make them cheaper?

A: 2 special rules for 'Eaters by default, no more, no less, no cost, no duplicate rules across the army (which unfortunately means a maximum of 4 units of 'em ) but they must be noted in the army roster.

Q: On Ogre Pistols, Gnoblar upgrades, Giants, Stat changes.

A: Ogre Pistols may be taken singularly or as a brace, identical to what they were before but without the +D6 range to the first shot.

No tooth/sword/luck Gnoblars, but look-outs are still in.

The Slavegiant is a copy and paste job from the O&G book.

No stat changes for any existing units.

Q: Does the thundertusk have armor save same as stonehorn ?
Is GreatSkull/Glittering scale/Greypack belt still there ? (ie : can we have a tyrant of antidoom?)

A: 'Tusk has only a 5+ save. Greatskull and Pelt gone.

Q: Can you give us a list of the magic items?

A: Thundermace (pretty similar but more expensive), Siegebreaker (more expensive, a bit worse in some respects, but potentially very useful in Watchtower games), Thiefstone (more expensive, MR2 and another, rather unique effect - lock up your valuables!) Greedyfist (no longer armour, +1S, 6+ ward, only eats weapons on the 6+ save, more expensive) Rockeye (cheaper), Hellheart, Grut's Sickle (more expensive, inflict a wound to gain +2 to cast for the phase, but the other Ogres may not be too happy...) Gut Maw (more expensive, heavy armour, terror and usual effect), Runemaw and Dragonhide (both described elsewhere).

Q: Do we know if our Butchers get spells random like other armys or can we buy them like the rumour had been saying awile back? Also is there anyway to get Loremaster?

A: Casters need to roll for spells, no way to get Loremaster (not even with Skrag).

Q: How about hunter ? Did he get any improvement ? (beside taking cats). It seems he costs more now.

A: Not really any better by himself, but he does at least have more options (weaponry, Stonehorn... and a BIRD).

Q: Talking about Skrag, how does he look on the paper? I enjoyed the current incarnation alot, is there still a killing tally?

A: Slight cost increase, asides from that he's 99% unchanged.

Q: Is the scraplauncher the same as its current state besides the drop in price?

A: Small blast, extra Gnoblars, no bad-tempered, slight misfire adjustment (one result gives it Spawn movement, for example).

Q: Leadbelchers, do they suffer a penalty for long range?

A: Yes, but their range has doubled.

Q: (Runemaw) Basically it makes the unit carrying the standard untargetable by spells, but the opponent can choose to redirect it anywhere else they want. For the redirection, would the range of the spell be measured from the Runemaw unit or from the original casting position of the enemy mage?

A: It's as though the mage simply casts the spell again, the distance from the banner and the new target has nothing to do with it.

Q: They kept Rock Eye in the item list? That doesn't make any kind of sense.

A: It is very cheap.

Q: Unless my math has failed me completely, wouldn't that give ogres 10 magic items instead of the usual 8?

A: Indeed it does.

Q: Maybe it steals magic items so ours aren't so underwhelming?

A: The Thiefstone comes with it's own little table of some BRB talismans/enchanted items which you roll for at the start of the game. If any other character (friend or foe) is already using said talisman, they lose it.

Q: What about mounts option for tyrant?

A: No mounts for Tyrant. At least it results in more Hunters being used (I hope)? The only character in the book who can be mounted is the Hunter, and only on a Stonehorn.

Q: IS that small blast s3 kb? Center no double strength? Is the rhinox same as storm of magic so that it had stubborn etc? Also, do it court as chariot as before?

A: The entire template is S3 KB. The Rhinox is not stubborn. It still counts as a chariot.

Q: How good is Ironblaster in close combat ? It seems a ogre with rhinox..so does it count as chariot too?

A: It's pretty much a T6 Scraplauncher with a single Ogre and single Gnoblar, so pretty potent in combat.

Q: After so much infos i'm still missing something imho very important about stonehorn and the mammooth (i don't remember the name)...

A: [Stonehorn has dragon-like stats (but lower WS, Ld and initiative), M7, 4+ armour save and a special rule which halves the damage from all multiple-wound weapons that hit it

thundertusk - one less attack.]

Think of them as WS3 Dragons and you're not far off. Not as tough as Sphinxes and Araknaroks, but not far off and probably more effective in combat (in the Stonehorn's case at least).

Q: Do the rhinox form Ironblaster and Scrap Launcher just same stats as old version?

A: The Rhinox are WS3, S5, A3. Don't forget, both units are chariots, so that should help answer your other questions.

Q: Seems is the only way for Ok for remove cheap hordes/oversized unit

A: Or you could summon the Maw.

'The Maw' is the new uber-spell. Predictably, it uses the small round template and can be boosted to use the large one, but is direct damage as opposed to vortex. It'll usually scatter and then forces an I test. Those that pass take a S3 hit from the teeth, those that fail take a S7 hit doing D6 wounds.

Bonus titbit: There's a new executioner special character who other Ogres are scared witless of, primarily because he's got a weapon which can get around a gut-plate and deliver a nasty disemboweling, a wound that is painful, fatal and always results in a slow death as it takes a while for an Ogre's guts to spill. Awesome fluff, pic and model, but in-game he's less like an Ogre grim reaper and more like Koko, the Lord High Executioner (props if you actually know who Koko is).

Q: Is that special character on a rhinox still a possibility?

A: No, Golgfag and Bragg the Gutsman are the only 2 new special characters.

Q: It is a Maneater on kitty? O_O Cause he got a ogre pistol look like ...

A: It is a pistol, but that's just an upgrade for the 'Fang champion.

Q: Any hint on what the blood vulture does?

A: [From Eastern Barbarian] Vulture is long distance attack that ignores ANY cover with same S as handgun and distance of handgun plus 50%

BTW here a malifaux alternaitve to the scrap launcher

**Surtur**

Dear GW,
I'm sorry about all of those things I said. You're right the models are worth a billionty dollars. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have lashed out. I just took out the 3rd, 4th and 5th mortgage on the house and I'd like to pre-order all of those ogres.

Hugs and kisses,
Me

**Flashman**

Lol, that firebelly chap is ridiculous but awesome at the same time. I nod my head to all the amusing Dhalsim jokes.

All in all this looks to be a pretty impressive release, but I will be strong and stick with my Skaven and Tomb Kings... probably

EDIT - And may I again commend GW on their excellent leak control strategy.

**RiTides**

The FAQ on the rumors is really helpful... few things I found confusing at first but make sense now:

-The "Bird" is the vulture on the arm of the (hunter?)
-The rhinoxes being talked about are just the ones pulling the guns

Thanks for posting this!

**FearPeteySodes**

Daaaang, i want these. I kinda rolled the dice in starting Ogres pre-book but im suuuuper happy with where it seems they're going!

**Equinox**

Has anyone mentioned whether or not there are special characters that shift a choice from special/rare to core? Wondering if there will be alternative builds based on special characters (though I seem to think that Tomb Kings did not get any either).

**Grey Templar**

There arn't any like that.

the only new special characters are Bragg and Golgfag to join Scragg and Greasus.

Bragg, Scragg, and Golgfag. the trio of destruction

**kenshin620**

Hmm yea plus Ogres dont really seem the type to change unit slots unless we got a Yeti character or something (although if you could shift a rare monster to special by having a hunter or something, that would be cool

)

**zeekill**

So just from rumors does anyone think that Ogres are going to work like they already do just a bit more efficiently?

Like the classic 1 horde unit with 1 smaller unit and a few other tidbits added?

**kenshin620**

zeekill wrote:So just from rumors does anyone think that Ogres are going to work like they already do just a bit more efficiently?

Probably. Sure if you're used to Gutmagic from yore it'll be different but other than the new units and the slight change of weapons it seems that ogres will function like they did before with more points to fiddle around with

**Grey Templar**

I think they will have a varity of styles.

The deathstar builds will certaintly stay around, and in greater numbers due to the lowering of the cost of Bulls.

MMU will probably become more popular because Bulls will be a little more durable vs Str3 enemies(5+ armor, 6+ ward) so smaller units won't die as quickly.

Ogres will have more reliable shooting avaliable from Leadbeltchers, Scraplaunchers, sniper Maneaters with brace of Handguns(hello teclis!!!), Ironblasters, Stonehorns(including hunter mounts) and Thundertusks.

Monster mash lists will pop up. Hunters on Stonehorns, Stonehorns, and Mournfangs supported by blocks of bulls.

**Saintspirit**

Hang on. Are the mournfang cavalry ogres mounted on sabretusks, or something similar?

**Sasori**

I think the FIrebelly needs to eat a few more cheezeburgers before he becomes a real ogre.

Otherwise, I like the new models.

**kenshin620**

Sasori wrote:I think the FIrebelly needs to eat a few more cheezeburgers before he becomes a real ogre.

Perhaps hes BURNING a lot of calories

**zeekill**

kenshin620 wrote:
Sasori wrote:I think the FIrebelly needs to eat a few more cheezeburgers before he becomes a real ogre.

Perhaps hes BURNING a lot of calories

*Cymbals* ba-dum-ch!

**lord_blackfang**

Saintspirit wrote:Hang on. Are the mournfang cavalry ogres mounted on sabretusks, or something similar?

They're mounted on Mournfangs

**Anung Un Rama**

The cats look better from this angle. Looks more like the ogres build chairs on top of the cats. Before it looked like they we're just standing on them.

Still no Rhinox cavalery but I like them better now than I did before.

On a completly unrelated note, I need 28mm scale manatees.

**FearPeteySodes**

When can we expect to know the release date on the OK Book?

**UltraPrime**

FearPeteySodes wrote:When can we expect to know the release date on the OK Book?

August 27th

**FearPeteySodes**

UltraPrime wrote:
FearPeteySodes wrote:When can we expect to know the release date on the OK Book?

August 27th

For release or release date release?

**UltraPrime**

release date release

**Grey Templar**

Saintspirit wrote:Hang on. Are the mournfang cavalry ogres mounted on sabretusks, or something similar?

No, its another cave beast called a Mournfang.

Sabertusks are only the size of horses, little more then a housecat for an Ogre.

Mournfangs look to be about the size of a Rhinox.

**chaos0xomega**

Grey Templar wrote:
Saintspirit wrote:Hang on. Are the mournfang cavalry ogres mounted on sabretusks, or something similar?

No, its another cave beast called a Mournfang.

Sabertusks are only the size of horses, little more then a housecat for an Ogre.

Mournfangs look to be about the size of a Rhinox.

A small rhinox... not anything remotely close to a bull rhinox.