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Just ignore him, he is trolling.

Just want to see what he has to offer. DIDM I'm sure knows he does not meet the height requirment to get on my nerves...unless he knocks my coffee over...and no one can hear him screaming in the woodlines if so. Don't worry DIDM...it'll snap back after an hour...course the calf might start teething to...

Oh christ not the calf again!

Why is the calf worse than the abdominal badger?

The badger will eventually get out the abdominal while the calf will keep going till he/she is full

Jihadin wrote:Just want to see what he has to offer. DIDM I'm sure knows he does not meet the height requirment to get on my nerves...unless he knocks my coffee over...and no one can hear him screaming in the woodlines if so. Don't worry DIDM...it'll snap back after an hour...course the calf might start teething to...

Let's keep things civil boys...no need to get our little discussion shut down when some one cries " personal attack"...

Thanks for keeping me in perspective.

So where were we.

We eventually have to get a fuel source (gasoline) from some where. Think we be able to build a small refinery or something? Maybe acquire one?

Do we really need gasoline? There are plenty of other fuels we can use.

On a related note, as I said earlier ..it would be extremely amusing to see just how some people would go about handling a world were they had to settle their disagreements face to face and not from the safety of their computer desk..
I'd wager the amount of " smartassery" would plummet dramatically. when a snarky comment might result in a broken jaw.


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corpsesarefun wrote:Do we really need gasoline? There are plenty of other fuels we can use.

Such as?...

Well...we did mention we have a gladiator ring already....last man walking out wins the arguement?

We need fuel eventually for the MRAPS and HEMMETS. Granted there are additives we can use to leangthen the life of gasoline. We need to maintain a military edge

Well wood for one.

Gasoline has a nasty habit of being plentiful while we have control over a local garage and then running out when we are totally dependant on it.

Hell even hydroelectric power would be better that gasoline for fuelling the settlement, gasoline would still be needed for vehicles though.

corpsesarefun wrote:Well wood for one.

Gasoline has a nasty habit of being plentiful while we have control over a local garage and then running out when we are totally dependant on it.

Hell even hydroelectric power would be better that gasoline for fuelling the settlement, gasoline would still be needed for vehicles though.

Was thinking windmill/ hydroelectric as well to run generators.
Gas of course for vehicles.

Fuel?

Aunty Entity: We call it Underworld. That's where Bartertown gets its energy.
Max: What, oil? Natural gas?
Aunty Entity: Pigs.
Max: You mean pigs like those?
Aunty Entity: That's right.
Max: bs!
Aunty Entity: No. Pig gak.
Max: What?
The Collector: Pig gak. The lights, the motors, the vehicles, all run by a high-powered gas called methane. And methane cometh from pig gak.

Wouldn't work, even wood is a far better fuel than pig gak.

Plus for methane to be stored in vehicles it would need to be under high pressure. Do you REALLY want a large, pressurised, highly flammable gas tank in your relatively ramshackle vehicles you will presumably be using in combat?

You're overlooking an important detail here: MRAPs and HMMTs run on diesel, and diesel engines are capable of using vegetable oil, natural gas, and alcohol. So it's plausible to keep them running on a limited basis without a gas station. Rapeseed is a good source.

I can produce diesel fuel from vegetable oils with ease actually, I have the process down in my notes.

Wood doesn't have the energy density that methane or natural gas do. To use wood to power a vehicle you end up really having a wood burn to power a steam engine, and you still have pressure issues (a shot/holed steam tank/pipe/valve ain't no fun to be around either) and you end up with each vehicle needing a trailer load of wood to get it anywhere.

Plenty of vehicles currently run on natural gas and methane today. It is a lot easier to armor a gas tank than a whole steam engine. Add in steam engines are pretty big critters if you need them power a vehicle.

Ethenol still for regular vehicles. Need to make a still...and since we've a few willing to make booze I see it doable

We've a couple of chemist so making diesel also seem doable.

Both seems to require a bit of sugar.

Methane is a better fuel than wood when it comes to vehicles.

Bio-diesel is even better.

For ethanol it is easiest to distil some fermented crops rather than go through the whole cracking and fractional distillation process, sugar will increase the yield but isn't really needed.

We have to hit up Ft. McCoy for HEMMT Fueler. Not sure I want to. I do know we can siphon the MRAPS that we don't use. Also the reserve center nearby has a refueler they keep topped off. To refuel the MRAPS at the Oshkosh plant which is located behind the reserve center..

Won't modification and repair of those vehicles be a bit tough with all the armour?

Armor plating is no factor. The engine compartment is has side plates that pivots away from the engine. The engine cowling hood itself is pneumatic.

Modification on a MRAP not really needed unless we go off the wall and equip a pumpkin chunkin tomahawk thrower and a side seat for Liquid for sprint mode

See, this is why I was promoting phonebook plating for civilian vehicles. Still adequately bullet-resistant, no having to raid heavily defended military complexes, and they won't gobble up gas like MRAPs.

military vehicles would be nice, but let's face it - most fuel we find will need to be siphoned from other abandoned vehicles. We may have to consider alternative methods of powering transports, as well as going back to horse.

We worry about fuel say 6 month out from exhausting our supply. I'm sure we're going to keep a serious record keeping to predict how long our supplies last. Didn't germany during WWII build wood burning engines for private vehicles?

More important than armor is off road capability, winches, spare and run flat tires...

Vehicles probably ought to be used for moving folks and stuff, not for fighting. Roads are gonna be crap, either full of break downs/out of fuel vehicles, fantastic ambush sites (never take the obvious avenue of approach/line of drift unless you must). Foot patrols, mountain bikes, horses, maybe dirt bikes/quads are gonna be of more use than typical cars/SUVs.

Most military vehicles do decently off road (you have to try hard to mire an uparmored hummer with a winch if you have any clue about cross country driving). Unfortunately most are also loud as all heck which when scouting in Indian country can be a bad thing.

Recon, secure, then move up the vehicles to extract what ever needs to be taken...


Which means we also need decent topo maps of the area.

I see some serious use of road maps going on. I do know the reserve center has every military map of NE WI so thats in our favor. Won't Park station have area maps? Along with state/local police station have some form of map? We're going to need a lot of acid tape to protect whatever decent map we can find. Maybe as the country start to spiral out of control we can get a satellite read on disc and print out the areas we're going to recon/forage from.

corpsesarefun wrote:You know you have to kill and gut a fish to eat it right? Plenty of blood involved there.

Yeah, but I've done that before. It doesn't really gross me out. I have no idea :3

Jihadin wrote:DIDM I retire in 9 months at age 41. Can you say the same?

My grammar is not part of the topic here

I retired at 29, I work for fun now.

My family is the brains, we don't go to war for BS. My grandpa fought in WWII, last member of our family to join the military. Making money is our game, not shooting folks that don't want us in their country.

DIDM your so trolling. Like I said you do not meet height requirment to troll me.
So any imput on Fortress Dakka or troll mode?

Jihadin wrote:DIDM your so trolling. Like I said you do not meet height requirment to troll me.
So any imput on Fortress Dakka or troll mode?

I get $1000 a week from my trust fund, I work for friends for cash to pass my free time.


I may be a trustafarian, but I'm not a troll

So any ideas for Fortress Dakka. Pretty good thread here. How would you handle raiders/looters/criminals after capture