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Something to do with Legion's code needing to be disseminated throughout the Geth. On the bright side all Geth will have Legion-like personalities now.

Just a wild guess of mine, but perhaps Geth programs are unique and cannot be copied. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to destroy their servers in that one mission, because they'd simply re-upload themselves from elsewhere. Also, there would be no reason for them to "switch" out of their walking platforms whilst those are not needed.

As such, I also don't think that all Geth become copies of Legion now, but rather that parts of his code are assimilated by the collective, resulting in some sort of hybrid cluster. Legion's own "Synthesis", so to say.

Operation Mastiff wrote:Operation MASTIFF (June 8th-10th)
We are dropping the new reinforcements onto occupied worlds to supplement resistance movements. Retrieving data of how the Reapers conquered those worlds is of paramount importance.

Allied Goal: Complete 100K retrieval missions.
Personal Goal: Extraction on Silver difficulty with one squad member of the Rebellion Pack classes: Vorcha, Phoenix Project Defectors, or Quarian Male.
Special Circumstance: None.

Completion of the personal goal awards that player a Commendation Pack.
Completion of the Allied goal awards all players a Victory Pack that has a guaranteed N7 weapon.

Operation Mastiff begins at 6pm PST Friday June 8th and ends at 4am PST Monday June 11th.
Packs will be distributed Tuesday evening if the mission is successful.

This is a good move! Two N7 weapons? Yes please!

Ah, seems I have a reason to pull myself back to the xbox this weekend.

Make sure you have your gamertag linked to your EA Profile before you do; it seems to make your Commendation Packs guaranteed.

Lynata wrote:Just a wild guess of mine, but perhaps Geth programs are unique and cannot be copied. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to destroy their servers in that one mission, because they'd simply re-upload themselves from elsewhere. Also, there would be no reason for them to "switch" out of their walking platforms whilst those are not needed.

As such, I also don't think that all Geth become copies of Legion now, but rather that parts of his code are assimilated by the collective, resulting in some sort of hybrid cluster. Legion's own "Synthesis", so to say.

Yes, each Geth program is a unique lifeform. When it's copied it would only be the same for a moment before it diverges. That's what I think happened to Legion. All the Geth loyalists would have had the same program as him for a fleeting moment but then became their own life. Still, they would be heavily influenced by Legions life experiences.

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, each Geth program is a unique lifeform. When it's copied it would only be the same for a moment before it diverges. That's what I think happened to Legion. All the Geth loyalists would have had the same program as him for a fleeting moment but then became their own life. Still, they would be heavily influenced by Legions life experiences.

Hmmh, that's a good point, actually.

Doesn't explain the need(?) to download and upload to and from platforms on an as-needed basis, or that Legion "shuts down", but still.

Kanluwen wrote:Make sure you have your gamertag linked to your EA Profile before you do; it seems to make your Commendation Packs guaranteed.

Interesting, how would I check. I have an auto EA log in set due to Fifa and Sims 3, but not sure if thats the same thing?

Go to here and log in there with your EA Master Account.

Lynata wrote:

KamikazeCanuck wrote:Yes, each Geth program is a unique lifeform. When it's copied it would only be the same for a moment before it diverges. That's what I think happened to Legion. All the Geth loyalists would have had the same program as him for a fleeting moment but then became their own life. Still, they would be heavily influenced by Legions life experiences.

Hmmh, that's a good point, actually.

Doesn't explain the need(?) to download and upload to and from platforms on an as-needed basis, or that Legion "shuts down", but still.

A regular Geth trooper is actually a consensus of like a 1,000 Geth (or something like that). Legion was some sorta Super-Geth. Probably over 10,000 geth. He had to be taken apart to usher in the new era of Geth and afterwards he couldn't be put back together again.
Like I said, he lives on in a way but the unique entity we know as Legion is gone.

Kanluwen wrote:Go to here and log in there with your EA Master Account.

Cheers for that Kan.


Think its working. Manifest

What's the minimum pack quality you need to be to unlock those characters?

Spectre/Premium Spectre.

But there's always a chance of them in Veteran as well.

The DLC characters have been rares each time.

Thanks.

On a tangent;

STILL!

I still have no Black Widow, Harrier, or Saber.

I've got a Salarian Engineer all leveled up too, just waiting.

Although now I'm sort of hoping for the Krysae, instead.


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I saw a reference to a "biotic explosion team". What's that?

Biotics with synergistic powers, intended to do nothing but biotic explosion their way through a level.

Which classes? How does that work? How does it actually work out?

Just using biotic explosion. Probably would need to be low recharge timer abilities, and then have your evolution tree specialized to enhance those powers. I've been trying a melee sentinel build on my krogan, tech armor discharge and then heavy melee twice for the buff. No inferno as it increases the tech armor cd.

I mean, how do you do a biotic explosion? Is this a class ability for one class?

edit: nm, I googled it. Looks like you need to have at least one buddy in your group to co-ordinate this with. How well have you guys seen this work?

Ouze wrote:I mean, how do you do a biotic explosion? Is this a class ability for one class?
edit: nm, I googled it. Looks like you need to have at least one buddy in your group to co-ordinate this with. How well have you guys seen this work?

It took me some time to figure it out, as I didn't find it explained anywhere in the game. By now I'm regularly using these, however. You don't necessarily need someone else, depending on the class. My Asari Commando detonates Atlases, Primes, Ravagers and Banshees all the time by projecting "Warp" followed by "Throw". Cooldowns affect how fast you can do this, so of course it works better with two biotics in a team.

I've been in a match with three Asari Commandos and one Asari Justicar once. Madness! 'splosions everywhere!

(especially since the Justicar can skill her Biotic Shield so that enemies entering it are automatically "warped", making them vulnerable to Throw)

I have a Justicar, but don't play her much. You can't throw the bubble, right?

Does the explosion consume the bubble, forcing it to be re-placed?

The bubble is the only one I'm aware of which does not consume the original graphic bit.

It will consume the Warp on the target, but the bubble stays put.

The Justicar can use "Pull" to trigger biotic explosions, and either "Reave" or the bubble to set them up. Or "Pull" them first, and then "Reave". I found that Justicars work much better when teamed up with other biotics for this, though, but that may well be influenced by my relatively low usage of Pull. I'm regularly using Throw to augment my Commando's gunplay, so in this aspect she may appear more independent than the Justicar even though the difference is negligible. As mentioned before, the Justicar is awesome in a team of Adepts, though. Coincidentally, this is fairly close to ME's fluff, where a Justicar could be the leader of a unit of Commandos.

Here's a list of possible combos: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/9629730

OK perhaps I can give a more detailed explanation of what I meant by "Biotic Explosion Team"

Certain Biotic powers, when used on a target, apply an effect that persists for a period of time. Certain other powers used on the same target can "detonate" this effect, causing an explosion of biotic energy that damages nearby enemies and does significant damage to the original target. It also has a force effect as well, and can hurl targets around causing extra collateral damage.

A "Biotic Explosion Team" is a group of players designed to maximize the use of this effect, selecting characters with powers that bot set up and detonate biotic explosions over a wide area in order to cause maximum damage.

For example, Reave can set up multiple targets for Biotic Detonation, and Nova can detonate multiple targets, so if you had a pair of Asari Justicars with Reave set up to hit as many targets as possible, and at least one Human Vanguard with Half Blasts, you can run from area to area Reaving clusters of enemies while the Vanguard charges an uses Nova to detonate the explosions. Half Blasts give him the option to Nova a second time for more detonations, or retain 50% of his shields for extra durability if necessary.

Another common setup these days is any character with Reave, and one of the new Phoenix characters. Lash and Reave can both set-up and detonate Biotic Explosions from each other. It doesn't matter the order they are used in. Both will cause the explosion. The same is true of Warp and Reave.

One of the most effective groups I ever saw play was a Drell Adept with Area Reave, a Human Sentinel with Warp and Throw, and a Human Vanguard with Half Blasts on his nova and no points in Shockwave. Their 4th member was an Infiltrator who was there mainly to complete objectives and help control spawns. The idea was that the Drell and the Sentinel would throw Reave and Warp respectively in order to set up Biotic Combos, and the Vanguard would use Biotic Charge and Nova to detonate them over a wide area. Larger groups got Cluster Grenades from the Drell. It worked so well that they achieved full extraction against Reapers on Gold difficulty in under 14 minutes.

I got the Krysae tonight. Definitely underwhelming. I don't see what all the fuss is about. It took me half a round to figure out I need to scope out and tap off 3 rockets quick instead of zooming all the way in but I definitely was not impressed. I used it with my soldier though, maybe it's somehow better with an infiltrator?

I still prefer either Quarian Infiltrator + Mantis for hacking or Huntermode Infiltrator with Javelin for pure DPS in gold, I play those around interchangeable.

Also I got the Valiant, which I haven't yet used (it came right after getting the Krysae which I was hot to use). The damage seems kinda low but it seems a lot of people like it, right?

Ouze wrote:I got the Krysae tonight. Definitely underwhelming. I don't see what all the fuss is about. It took me half a round to figure out I need to scope out and tap off 3 rockets quick instead of zooming all the way in but I definitely was not impressed. I used it with my soldier though, maybe it's somehow better with an infiltrator?

It's DEFINTELY better on an Infiltrator. The Tactical Cloak damage bonus is what makes the rifle worth while. Also, they nerfed the damage on it slightly in the last Tuesday update, about an 11% decrease, which means it takes an extra shot or so to kill targets on Gold. Basically, take a Barrel mod and a Clip mod on the gun, and spec Tactical Cloak out for maximum damage and you will notice a significant difference.

I use it on my male Quarian infiltrator, and if you press the left shoulder button and the right trigger at the same time you can get Tactical Scan off on a target as you fire the weapon, getting rid of the delay that using Tactical Scan creates. Combine that with the absurdly effective Arc Grenades and the character becomes a master of area effect damage. It's a pretty solid combo.

Ouze wrote:I still prefer either Quarian Infiltrator + Mantis for hacking or Huntermode Infiltrator with Javelin for pure DPS in gold, I play those around interchangeable.

I dislike single shot snipers on Gold except on a Salarian. With Energy Drain the shield gate mechanic isn't as much of a hinderance, but without it, most single shot snipers need two shots to kill anything with a shield. Hacking does make it a bit easier to line up both shots and gives you a thrall to help kill enemies against Geth, but otherwise it's still a difficult build to use in my experience. I prefer the Valiant/Black Widow on anything not a Salarian, and a Widow/Javelin on my Salarian Infiltrator.

Ouze wrote:Also I got the Valiant, which I haven't yet used (it came right after getting the Krysae which I was hot to use). The damage seems kinda low but it seems a lot of people like it, right?

The Valiant and the Black Widow are considered the best two sniper rifles in the game, and which you use is based mostly on preference.

The nice thing about the Valiant is that is has almost no recoil and a quick rate of fire, which means you can get 3 shots off in the time it takes you to get off 2 shots with the Black Widow. Usually this means the last shot of a Black Widow won't benefit from the Tactical Cloak damage bonus. The Black Widow does more raw damage (about 40% more) but the recoil on the shots means you have to time them well enough to get head shots or you will spend all 3 killing a single trooper. The Valiant can place 3 shots on the head without much difficulty and you won't generally need all 3 if you land them.

Personally I prefer the Vlaiant. At rank I it has the same number of spare rounds as my Black Widow with a Clip mod, so I can give it a Barrel and Piercing mod which ultimately makes it a quicker version of the Black Widow with less damage. It will take a bit longer to kill something like an Atlas or a Prime, but it will deal with basic troopers more effectively. But a friend of mine swears by his Black Widow and uses it very effectively, so take that with a grain of salt. I recommend using both and deciding for yourself which you prefer.

I hate the Krysae.

Like...I megahate it.

Why do you megahate it?

Like I explained when we played together(which we will totally have to do again; as I need to get some credits going. ):

It feels too much like they wanted to make it as an alternate heavy weapon, not as an actual antimaterial rifle. The splash damage makes me hate it even more, as the stupid gun is balanced around that feature.

Long story short:
They should remove it and then reintroduce it later on, entirely reworked.