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I'm not the best when it comes down to 40K fluff tbh.

It was really just a idea for something they could do in regards to choosing a faction other than "You are Ork, pay or be stuck as Ork"

Kinda nice to see people giving good feedback on essentially what was a two minute idea XD

 Melissia wrote:

 johnscott10 wrote:
Custist to Cultist Champion
Cultist Champion to CSM

Only if this allowed for female CSMs.

There is no such thing as a female chaos space marine.

In my opinion you would need to be okay wih either being a daemon of some kind, a female cultist/dark sorceress, or some other fluff-ok race...which probably does not include chaos sisters of battle.

you can't just obliterate fluff wherever you want because you can't identify with a male character...doing so detracts from the immersion of all of the other players who know that your character would never exist in the 40k fluff.

BrotherVord wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 johnscott10 wrote:
Custist to Cultist Champion
Cultist Champion to CSM

Only if this allowed for female CSMs.

There is no such thing as a female chaos space marine.

In my opinion you would need to be okay wih either being a daemon of some kind, a female cultist/dark sorceress, or some other fluff-ok race...which probably does not include chaos sisters of battle.

you can't just obliterate fluff wherever you want because you can't identify with a male character...doing so detracts from the immersion of all of the other players who know that your character would never exist in the 40k fluff.

And why not? I'v seen plenty of games butcher fluff to include something to please some of their players. I mean surely it wouldn't be that hard to introduce more females into 40K, they get some DNA from Sob, replicate a geneseed from it then you have females who can do just as well as guys. Its probably the most hated area of 40K for me, theres very little female presence when there could be so much more. Unless I'm missing something very obvious.

BrotherVord wrote:
There is no such thing as a female chaos space marine.

And yet, it'd still be the only way I'd ever be convinced to actually play the faction (despite the rumors to the contrary, I actually respect certain SM chapters like Space Wolves, Blood Angels, or Salamanders... I don't have any of that for CSMs).

BrotherVord wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 johnscott10 wrote:
Custist to Cultist Champion
Cultist Champion to CSM

Only if this allowed for female CSMs.

There is no such thing as a female chaos space marine.

In my opinion you would need to be okay wih either being a daemon of some kind, a female cultist/dark sorceress, or some other fluff-ok race...which probably does not include chaos sisters of battle.

you can't just obliterate fluff wherever you want because you can't identify with a male character...doing so detracts from the immersion of all of the other players who know that your character would never exist in the 40k fluff.

CSM are probably going to be a suasage-fest to keep things simple. And really, it wouldn't be fair to limit female characters to non-supersoldier roles. At the moment, looks like Eldar are the only source of female characters (note that one of the devs jokingly said that they were bringing "sexiness" to the game).

Yeah, I marked that comment as kind of odd and stupid as well, myself.

I don't really care about "sexiness", I just don't feel any desire to spend hundreds of hours roleplaying as a dude.

 johnscott10 wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 johnscott10 wrote:
Custist to Cultist Champion
Cultist Champion to CSM

Only if this allowed for female CSMs.

There is no such thing as a female chaos space marine.

In my opinion you would need to be okay wih either being a daemon of some kind, a female cultist/dark sorceress, or some other fluff-ok race...which probably does not include chaos sisters of battle.

you can't just obliterate fluff wherever you want because you can't identify with a male character...doing so detracts from the immersion of all of the other players who know that your character would never exist in the 40k fluff.

And why not? I'v seen plenty of games butcher fluff to include something to please some of their players. I mean surely it wouldn't be that hard to introduce more females into 40K, they get some DNA from Sob, replicate a geneseed from it then you have females who can do just as well as guys. Its probably the most hated area of 40K for me, theres very little female presence when there could be so much more. Unless I'm missing something very obvious.

Space Marines being male-only is pretty solidly set in stone. Really, the devs would be courting outnerdrage if they were to change something as fundamental as that.

But worry not, if all goes well we shall have a whole faction of badass females somewhere down the line. And if the sentiments expressed in the emails still ring true at that point, they'll be pretty awesome to play.

 Melissia wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
There is no such thing as a female chaos space marine.

And yet, it'd still be the only way I'd ever be convinced to actually play the faction (despite the rumors to the contrary, I actually respect certain SM chapters like Space Wolves, Blood Angels, or Salamanders... I don't have any of that for CSMs).

That's fine if that's what it would take to get YOU to play, but it doesn't exist in fluff....like not even a little bit. Hopefully they have other options for the millions of females that I'm sure will want to play a warhammer 40k mmorpg....I just don't want them to be options that very blatantly break immersion.


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 johnscott10 wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 johnscott10 wrote:
Custist to Cultist Champion
Cultist Champion to CSM

Only if this allowed for female CSMs.

There is no such thing as a female chaos space marine.

In my opinion you would need to be okay wih either being a daemon of some kind, a female cultist/dark sorceress, or some other fluff-ok race...which probably does not include chaos sisters of battle.

you can't just obliterate fluff wherever you want because you can't identify with a male character...doing so detracts from the immersion of all of the other players who know that your character would never exist in the 40k fluff.

And why not? I'v seen plenty of games butcher fluff to include something to please some of their players. I mean surely it wouldn't be that hard to introduce more females into 40K, they get some DNA from Sob, replicate a geneseed from it then you have females who can do just as well as guys. Its probably the most hated area of 40K for me, theres very little female presence when there could be so much more. Unless I'm missing something very obvious.

Because it is so fundamental. Look, I think they should be including sisters of battle as an option for a female version of the space marine classes...I would even be okay with them breaking the fluff by making them as strong as space marines...but I do not want to see a 7 foot tall woman in power armor that looks like a space marine with long hair and breasts. It simple doesn't exist in the fluff.

As far as I am concerned, they can write some lore for a chaos sisters of battle faction, but I think they should look like what the sisters look like, not what the space marines look like.

Am I correct in suspecting that these developers are fools? That is the impression I'm getting.

And since I would never play the faction anyway otherwise, I couldn't care less regardless. CSMs are just whiny little spiky-shouldered targets for everyone else to beat up for experience points anyway, we all know that

Jokes aside, they rather fethed up in their faction choices.


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BrotherVord wrote:
I would even be okay with them breaking the fluff by making them as strong as space marines

That's not "breaking the fluff". That's canon, in GW's own words Sisters are equals in the field of battle to Space Marines.

BrotherVord wrote:
[As far as I am concerned, they can write some lore for a chaos sisters of battle faction

Nah. That's would also be a major departure from the fluff. Nothing like that exists in the 40K canon.

But, from what he said about the factions, the SoB could form a temporary alliance with the CSM. Majorly incompatible with the fluff, but just a natural consequence of that mechanic.

 Melissia wrote:
And since I would never play the faction anyway otherwise, I couldn't care less regardless. CSMs are just whiny little spiky-shouldered targets for everyone else to beat up for experience points anyway, we all know that

Jokes aside, they rather fethed up in their faction choices.

What do you mean space marines, CSM, Orks and eldar are some of the most popular factions I would be more surprised if they used sisters, tau, necrons and daemons instead?

 johnscott10 wrote:


And why not? I'v seen plenty of games butcher fluff to include something to please some of their players. I mean surely it wouldn't be that hard to introduce more females into 40K, they get some DNA from Sob, replicate a geneseed from it then you have females who can do just as well as guys. Its probably the most hated area of 40K for me, theres very little female presence when there could be so much more. Unless I'm missing something very obvious.

I'd rather not see that happening at all. Those would be the most manly man females to ever been existed!
I mean have you ever seen joke images like this... http://www.terrariaonline.com/attachments/touhou-dan807090-jpg.12625/ They'd look like that. I mean who wants to play that as a female. The sheer horror.

Popular amongst 40k players. But an MMO needs a larger audience than just "40k Players who have decent computers, a decent internet connection, money to spend on a game subscription, and are PC gamers" to thrive.

 Melissia wrote:
Popular amongst 40k players. But an MMO needs a larger audience than just "40k Players who have decent computers, money to spend on a game subscription, and are PC gamers" to thrive.

I suppose, although I think they should have replaced CSM with either guard (who are a popular faction), dark eldar or sisters (who aren't so popular) as the female options are limited atm and CSM run the risk of just being reskinned space marines.

Of course CSMs ru nthe risk of being reskinned Space Marines. That's basically all they are in the lore, too-- a Space Marine who worships Chaos, a renegade Space Marine, a Space Marine from the Traitor Legions, etc. They're really not that different from "regular" Space Marines. Especially not to an outsider.

 Melissia wrote:
Of course CSMs ru nthe risk of being reskinned Space Marines. That's basically all they are in the lore, too-- a Space Marine who worships Chaos, a renegade Space Marine, a Space Marine from the Traitor Legions, etc. They're really not that different from "regular" Space Marines.

I suppose, but they could distinguish CSM with demonic options or allowing Khorne Beserkers, Plague Marines, Rubric Marines, Noise Marines, Possessed, etc as classes.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I suppose but they could distinguish CSM with demonic options or allowing Khorne Beserkers, Plague Marines, Rubric Marines, Noise Marines, Possessed, etc.

Of those, the only ones that are actually anywhere near unique among Space Marine units are the Possessed. And they'd be very, very difficult to implement in a fashion that is accurate to the lore.

The others are just "foot assault marines who are angry", "durable tactical marines with a few toys", "sorcerer-led tactical marines with special ammo", and "devastator marines with slightly different weapons".

In my not very humble opinion, Chaos Space Marine faction should be converted to just Chaos and allow for people to choose from the following:

Traitor IG, Chaos Daemons, Dark Mechanicum, Chaos Marines

It would give people who like Chaos more options rather than being "Space Marine with more skulls"

The same could be said for Space Marines, change them to Imperium of Man.

IG, Sisters, Mechanicum, Inquisition, Marines

Edit to add: a possessed could work like the Marauder from warhammer online. with different stances to represent different mutations = daemonic powers. Then again I hated stance dancing.

Yes, that would have been the smart thing to do.

AWesker1976 wrote:
In my not very humble opinion, Chaos Space Marine faction should be converted to just Chaos and allow for people to choose from the following:

Traitor IG, Chaos Daemons, Dark Mechanicum, Chaos Marines

It would give people who like Chaos more options rather than being "Space Marine with more skulls"

The same could be said for Space Marines, change them to Imperium of Man.

IG, Sisters, Mechanicum, Inquisition, Marines

IG and traitor IG are a bit too squishy imo...unless they were storm troopers. Then maybe it would work.

Other than that, I like this idea.

AWesker1976 wrote:
In my not very humble opinion, Chaos Space Marine faction should be converted to just Chaos and allow for people to choose from the following:

Traitor IG, Chaos Daemons, Dark Mechanicum, Chaos Marines

It would give people who like Chaos more options rather than being "Space Marine with more skulls"

The same could be said for Space Marines, change them to Imperium of Man.

IG, Sisters, Mechanicum, Inquisition, Marines

This is too sensible of an idea although IG and cultists would be underpowered so scrap them or make them part of the gakky f2p model.

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, that would have been the smart thing to do.

Sadly, as I noted before, the devs in charge of the game appear to be fools.

 Melissia wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
I suppose but they could distinguish CSM with demonic options or allowing Khorne Beserkers, Plague Marines, Rubric Marines, Noise Marines, Possessed, etc.

Of those, the only ones that are actually anywhere near unique among Space Marine units are the Possessed. And they'd be very, very difficult to implement in a fashion that is accurate to the lore.

The others are just "foot assault marines who are angry", "durable tactical marines with a few toys", "sorcerer-led tactical marines with special ammo", and "devastator marines with slightly different weapons".

Sigh, you're probably right I quit the table top games years ago so I'll take your word on it.

 Cheesecat wrote:
This is too sensible of an idea although IG and cultists would be underpowered so scrap them or make them part of the gakky f2p model.

Wouldn't have been too hard to have the following:

Imperium of Man:
Frontline: Marines
Specialist: Sisters
Psykers: Inquisition
Grunts: Imperial Guard

Forces of Chaos:
Frontline: Marines
Specialists: Mutants
Psykers: Daemonhosts
Grunts: Traitor Guard

The Ork WAAAGH:
Frontline: Nobz
Specialists: Mekboyz
Psykers: Wyrdboyz
Grunts: Boyz

The Craftworld Eldar:
Frontline: Aspect Warriors
Specialists: Warseers*
Psykers: Farseers
Grunts: Guardians

Giving each faction a good balance of "classes" and allowing free to play players to play grunts of any faction. The only one I wasn't sure about was the Eldar.

 Melissia wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
This is too sensible of an idea although IG and cultists would be underpowered so scrap them or make them part of the gakky f2p model.

Wouldn't have been too hard to have the following:

Imperium of Man:
Frontline: Marines
Specialist: Sisters
Psykers: Inquisition
Grunts: Imperial Guard

Forces of Chaos:
Frontline: Marines
Specialists: Mutants
Psykers: Daemonhosts
Grunts: Traitor Guard

The Ork WAAAGH:
Frontline: Nobz
Specialists: Mekboyz
Psykers: Wyrdboyz
Grunts: Boyz

The Craftworld Eldar:
Frontline: Aspect Warriors
Specialists: Warseers*
Psykers: Farseers
Grunts: Guardians

Giving each faction a good balance of "classes" and allowing free to play players to play grunts of any faction. The only one I wasn't sure about was the Eldar.

That sounds great the only corrections I would make is replace traitor guard with cultists and mutants with daemons.


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Oh and the eldar specialist could be harlequins instead.

Wait... I may be mistaken here but isn't there a BL story where a female cultist is transformed into a CSM?

Also, isn't there the odd piece of fluff that Fabius Bile is working on ways to open up CSM creation processes to everyone? Young, old, Male and Female?

Also, couldn't you handwave it and say Chaos did it?

 Kettu wrote:
Wait... I may be mistaken here but isn't there a BL story where a female cultist is transformed into a CSM?

Also, isn't there the odd piece of fluff that Fabius Bile is working on ways to open up CSM creation processes to everyone? Young, old, Male and Female?

Also, couldn't you handwave it and say Chaos did it?

The devs did say their game "doesn't exist" in the overall lore of 40K, so they could do that.

They just would have to be ok with the game never being considered "canon" by GW standards, but I could live with that.

 Kettu wrote:
Wait... I may be mistaken here but isn't there a BL story where a female cultist is transformed into a CSM?

Perhaps. But keep in mind, BL authors are allowed to take liberties with the fluff.

 Kettu wrote:
Also, isn't there the odd piece of fluff that Fabius Bile is working on ways to open up CSM creation processes to everyone? Young, old, Male and Female?

Yes, but he has not yet been successful. And it'd probably too major a plot-advancement to be carried out by a third-party product.

 Kettu wrote:
Also, couldn't you handwave it and say Chaos did it?

That's quite a weak explanation, though. And if you've got a story where Chaos is able to make anybody into a CSM, why wouldn't they have done it elsewhere?

There's a BL story where a female IG member is possessed and puts on CSM armor and proceeds to stomp stupid amounts of Iron Warrior donkey before vanishing into the warp, is that what you mean?

You could hand wave it by having your Chaos progression track depend on the ruinous power you select during character creation, if you go Slaneesh you'll unlock a slider that will let you be male, female, or somewhere in between features wise.