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Based on their scale shots it looks like the models are scaled more in line with a 35-37mm tall figure rather than 28mm which I think most are assuming. They seem to be more in scale with the horrorclix alien models. Personally I could care less what scale they are in as long as it's consistant within their own line.

However people who were thinking these would be suitable guard replacements are probably going to be unhappy as the scale looks to be significantly larger than GW.





I hope they skip the kickstarter and just do a proper release. I'm completely kickstarter-ed out and would just like to see a regular release product for a change.

Yeah these guys would be way too large for IG, not to mention from the looks of things this will be an Infinity esque game, where you'll probably buy 10-15 models tops and be done with it.

The necron in the right pic looks to be un-hunched. When it's hunched like in the left pic, they're about the same size as SMs aren't they?

I hope they KS it so we can get more for less, plus some exclusives and help make the range larger.

 paulson games wrote:
Based on their scale shots it looks like the models are scaled more in line with a 35-37mm tall figure rather than 28mm which I think most are assuming. They seem to be more in scale with the horrorclix alien models. Personally I could care less what scale they are in as long as it's consistant within their own line.

However people who were thinking these would be suitable guard replacements are probably going to be unhappy as the scale looks to be significantly larger than GW.





I hope they skip the kickstarter and just do a proper release. I'm completely kickstarter-ed out and would just like to see a regular release product for a change.

We had this problem, with Warzone resurrection too! When one posts a model for size comparison, like the space marine and necron here, I think it is misleading to post a model (necron) that has been converted to be abnormally tall!

As I understand it most space marines are ballpark same size as the necron (unconverted) we posted

I have to agree - the legs of that Necron have been converted to be standing taller, which would easily count for the head taller it is than the Marine. These look roughtly the same height as a Marine going by the 'normal' Necron, which is in turn about the hight of a Cadian. Which would make them decent stand ins as long as you don't mind the unexaggerated proportions.

Using GW miniatures to determine the scale of more realistically proportioned sculpts has obvious drawbacks. It seems to me the pic is simply meant to give you a comparison point with a miniature you may be familiar with from in-person experience.

Sorry I didn't realize the inital pic was a modified necron. I resized the marine determined by the width of the base. Due to differances in the camera angle it's not precise but it'd be pretty close.

The marines appear to be on 30mm bases; which using the bases as a measurement looks to place the smart gunner at about 34-35mm tall and the slightly hunched figure to the left appears to be about 32mm. (due to being hunched) Obviously I'm just working from pictures but they seem ever slightly taller than GW models.

The proportions on the models are great, I like a more realistic focus than what GW uses which is one of the reasons I like Infinity figures so much. The detail on the figures is killer as they really did their homework to match the movies, so definately no complaints there.

(As I mentioned before I'm fine with whatever scale they are in as I'll be using them for their own game (or the old leading edge Aliens game) and not mixed with GW).

I love what I'm seeing so far and cannot wait for this to get released.

Dont log on much..mostly a lurker but damn these are nice. I will jump all over something like this!

Marines haven't grown as the rest of the range has though - put a DV cultist next to a marine & you'll see that the cultists are now bigger & the CSM from the set even bigger than that....
Had a look at their Warzone stuff & really like the Dark Legion stuff but some of the minis look stretched. Will be getting this game for the ET models & probably using Hasselfree & Heresy for the humans (even if they're not identical to the 'Aliens' marines).

I just received my Capitol troops from the warzone KS. If the quality is the same, this is going to be unreal.

I'd like to see a regular release... but at the same time I'd like to see how high this would go as a Kickstarter.. just the Aliens name alone if they never play the game, fans would be buying it just for the models. I bet it would beat bones

I'd be surprised if this isn't on KS, because

a) As others have mentioned, just having the licence doesn't automatically mean Prodos have the capital to invest in all the design and production up front
b) It allows a certain mitigation of risk, rather than taking a blind stab in the dark as to how many units to order, it allows a fairly accurate assessment of initial demand, and will avoid them tying up capital (which they may not have ready access to) in stock that takes forever, or never, to shift. Equally, if it goes mental, then they can increase orders to reflect this.

Honestly, if you're a smaller organisation without ready access to low-cost borrowing or your own cash reserves, NOT launching an appropriate product on KS these days needs some very good reasons why.

KS are also quite some fun IF there are run well. I mean, isn't it quite exciting to push a project into new regions to see stuff get unlocked, ideas implemented (Prodos HAS listened to a lot during their Warzone KS) and in the end be part of something.

From LifeInvader:

Prodos:

Chaps we have had both licences for equally the same length of time, both ranges will be loved equally by Prodos Games and we intend both will grow and expand over the next 2-5 years (hopefully with others too!

I don't understand people unwillingness for this to go to KS, there are no negatives for this, only positives.

overtyrant wrote:
I don't understand people unwillingness for this to go to KS, there are no negatives for this, only positives.

KS cut out from the very lucrative initial rush the "middle men" like stores who keep the hobby alive for alot of us by providing a centralized place to meet, gather, and play. KS also don't allow you to actually physically have the models in hand to examine (like with blisters) to avoid miscasts and you instead have to resort to a questionable return process that is doubly risky when you make it international. If it is released via the traditional route, you simply pay for the product and get the product immediately. With KS, you *HOPE* that the company makes good on it's promises during the campaign and doesn't unilaterally change things whenever it suits them (see the Mantic KS for examples of that). The only usual benefit to KS for consumers is that they typically get a discount on the product compared with traditional outlets but that wasn't the case with Prodos' only KS to date (warzone) which offered discounts equivalent to the typical 20% you find online and had the added risk of dealing with an international "promise" with a completely new company with no established rep. They seem to have come through very nicely with what they promised so kudos to them but it is extremely naive to say there are no negatives and only positives to going the KS route from a purely consumer POV.

overtyrant wrote:
I don't understand people unwillingness for this to go to KS, there are no negatives for this, only positives.

Well, from a consumer point of view, you're paying for something up front, perhaps months in advance, with no guarantee of receiving product on time, if ever. That product, even if delivered on time, could be substandard or not as expected, and you're pretty much stuck.

Going direct to retail means you can make a more informed decision with regards to quality (via reviews and feedback etc) and get it right away, while also being protected by more substantial consumer protection legislation if anything goes awry.

That said, as I've already mentioned, I'm more than happy for this to go to KS, and aside from the GnG table project, the only thing I'm interested in backing right now.

I have nothing against Kickstarter but you can be damn sure I will get very aggravated if this launches before I receive my products from the first Kickstarter. The real aggravating part is that they have not been communicating the status of our orders but instead promoting a new game.

People have a right to worry about how Prodos handles a second Kickstarter as the first has not finished and has been delayed for numerous reasons including floods,broken machines,rules issues etc..

Are the Warzone shipments delayed?

 warboss wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
I don't understand people unwillingness for this to go to KS, there are no negatives for this, only positives.

KS cut out from the very lucrative initial rush the "middle men" like stores who keep the hobby alive for alot of us by providing a centralized place to meet, gather, and play. KS also don't allow you to actually physically have the models in hand to examine (like with blisters) to avoid miscasts and you instead have to resort to a questionable return process that is doubly risky when you make it international. If it is released via the traditional route, you simply pay for the product and get the product immediately. With KS, you *HOPE* that the company makes good on it's promises during the campaign and doesn't unilaterally change things whenever it suits them (see the Mantic KS for examples of that). The only usual benefit to KS for consumers is that they typically get a discount on the product compared with traditional outlets but that wasn't the case with Prodos' only KS to date (warzone) which offered discounts equivalent to the typical 20% you find online and had the added risk of dealing with an international "promise" with a completely new company with no established rep. They seem to have come through very nicely with what they promised so kudos to them but it is extremely naive to say there are no negatives and only positives to going the KS route from a purely consumer POV.

Many people don't have gaming stores to 'hold' miniatures before buying so there is risk from getting poor miniatures via post, it's the clubs not the stores holding the community together for some and the product must be quite poor if noone will buy it after the KS (see the Mantic Dreadball KS for examples of that, they sold thousands after that KS). They will be able to get the capital to produce MORE miniatures sooner (see the Mantic KoW KS for examples of that, the only models that were a fail were the nuns and M@A). The only negative I'll say that I missed was that your hoping to get a product from KS.

Small orders have been going out. Orders with no rule books or only starter sets but that is all we know of.

 azreal13 wrote:
Are the Warzone shipments delayed?

They seem to be shipping in defacto mini-waves from the chatter in the threads. If you didn't order much, you got shipped first. If you gave them a heft sum, you're likely waiting till they get around to making/filling all the individual parts of your order. Some people got their orders a few weeks ago and posted reviews while others in the same geographic area are still waiting.


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 warboss wrote:

overtyrant wrote:
I don't understand people unwillingness for this to go to KS, there are no negatives for this, only positives.

KS cut out from the very lucrative initial rush the "middle men" like stores who keep the hobby alive for alot of us by providing a centralized place to meet, gather, and play. KS also don't allow you to actually physically have the models in hand to examine (like with blisters) to avoid miscasts and you instead have to resort to a questionable return process that is doubly risky when you make it international. If it is released via the traditional route, you simply pay for the product and get the product immediately. With KS, you *HOPE* that the company makes good on it's promises during the campaign and doesn't unilaterally change things whenever it suits them (see the Mantic KS for examples of that). The only usual benefit to KS for consumers is that they typically get a discount on the product compared with traditional outlets but that wasn't the case with Prodos' only KS to date (warzone) which offered discounts equivalent to the typical 20% you find online and had the added risk of dealing with an international "promise" with a completely new company with no established rep. They seem to have come through very nicely with what they promised so kudos to them but it is extremely naive to say there are no negatives and only positives to going the KS route from a purely consumer POV.

Many people don't have gaming stores to 'hold' miniatures before buying so there is risk from getting poor miniatures via post, it's the clubs not the stores holding the community together for some and the product must be quite poor if noone will buy it after the KS (see the Mantic Dreadball KS for examples of that, they sold thousands after that KS). They will be able to get the capital to produce MORE miniatures sooner (see the Mantic KoW KS for examples of that, the only models that were a fail were the nuns and M@A). The only negative I'll say that I missed was that your hoping to get a product from KS.

I said "alot of us", not everyone. Absolutely nothing you said above invalidates what I mentioned as potential and unfortunately common or inherent negatives to going the KS route. The negatives are there in plain black and white (or green and gold depending on your dakka theme). Even KS realizes that there are potential negatives as they mandate a "risk" portion to be completed for every campaign. There are plenty of positives for the KS route for the manufacturer but I'm not a manufacturer.. I'm a consumer. You'll have to excuse me if I look at it strictly from the perspective of someone shelling out his/her hard earned money and not from the perspective of the person taking it.

Well, unless they've broken promises or let people down, I dont think its fair to criticise them for preparing their next project, especially as because they are at very different stages, they are unlikely to be demanding attention from the same departments/people.

As they've said they've held both licences for a similar time, it is fair to assume that this has more or less been the plan all along (and starting with the lower value IP was a smart move to allow them to work any kinks out rather than going straight for the money grab.) So I wouldn't be too concerned about their ability to deliver on both at this point.

I believe the major holdup for warzone is the book/cards where they had to get new printers organised after the original ones were flooded out

as for the production status their 8th October update was very clear and showed exactly what the status was on each individual pledge item (and they showed casts of a number of items we'd not seen finalised on 12th October)



so in terms of keeping backers up to date they've been doing very well

Even if you don't have a local store to buy at a standard release grants a "proof-positive" for products. You will have pictures of the production models on which you can guage the quality, you'll have reviews from distributors or other sources that are independant from the maker. That allows you to make a much more informed purchase.

Meanwhile most kickstarters are pushing products "sight unseen", where all they offer is some art work or maybe some renders and the supporters have to take a leap of faith that the promised product will resemble the final goods. You also have to place trust in the fact that you'll see the product at a later date (upwards to a year or so later). Several kickstarters have ended in disaster for their supporters either with not delivering or delivering a product that was far inferior to what was being promoted. (Defiance Games for one)

A standard release also helps supprt the game stores that need those sales to stay open. Every sale lost to a kickstarter is a product they need to find an alternative to sell in order to make that same money. Release day sales are a huge part of what allows a store to move product, once it's past release date items tend to move at a fraction of what they do during the first few days of a products launch. Kickstarter removes that opportunity from gaming stores and damages their bottom line.

Also there's no sense of purchase point gratification on a KS, you buy and wait months until it eventually arrives in the mail. This does not allow for spur of the moment purchases because you saw something that looked cool on the shelf next to something else you were looking at. You can't buy an item on KS take it home and be gaming with it later that night. KS has been a great tool for getting new businesses started however it's also produced some very major changes to how standard gaming retail opporates that we're only starting to see the effects of. When a large established company (like Reaper) starts milking KS it's draining sales away from the retailer pool which at least in the US is very unhealthy for the gaming community.

KS is an effective tool used correctly by small businesses but when it becomes everybody's prime way of launching and marketing their products it a double edged sword. Thats why I'd like to see a conventional release. AVP is certainly a big enough item that distributors will stock it without reservation.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I believe the major holdup for warzone is the book/cards where they had to get new printers organised after the original ones were flooded out

as for the production status their 8th October update was very clear and showed exactly what the status was on each individual pledge item (and they showed casts of a number of items we'd not seen finalised on 12th October)



so in terms of keeping backers up to date they've been doing very well

HOLY gak. An actual project management milestone chart.

Prodos, you have my money for this new game simply due to that.

 cincydooley wrote:
HOLY gak. An actual project management milestone chart.

Prodos, you have my money for this new game simply due to that.

That does indeed knock the socks off of the Palladium Robotech style "It's lookin' great! Everyone in the office loves it! You'll love it! ...but we won't show you" update that they keep rinsing, lathering, and repeating.

 cincydooley wrote:

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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I believe the major holdup for warzone is the book/cards where they had to get new printers organised after the original ones were flooded out

as for the production status their 8th October update was very clear and showed exactly what the status was on each individual pledge item (and they showed casts of a number of items we'd not seen finalised on 12th October)



so in terms of keeping backers up to date they've been doing very well

HOLY gak. An actual project management milestone chart.

Prodos, you have my money for this new game simply due to that.

Holy crap, yea! That's how you do it! Hell, my wife is a PMP Certified Project Management consultant, and she agreed. If only more game companies would put that sort of planning and focus on implementation, not to mention how cool it is to share it with your backers to let them know what is going on.

Prodos gets big internet approbation from me!

I see a product on a webstore I go 'I'll get that eventually' (but don't), I see a product on KS I go 'I need this in my life' and spend money on it. I have been part of quite a few KS so every few months I've been getting stuff in the post so I don't have this 'oh no I'm not gonna get this for a year feeling' (ok I have onone KS, but I've had other shinies to hold me over). So in fact these stores wouldn't be getting my money either way. I see the reason why retail stores dislike KS but I don't have any near at all so I have no 'store loyalty' (though I have a gaming club loyalty which I much prefer) we'll see in a couple of years if KS will be a long term feature for the wargaming industry but retail stores will have to find a way to adapt to this.

However I would like to see things change. Maybe a company to launch a new system via KS but anything future for the game do standard release. I really like KS with it's 'vote with your wallet' way to do things, but I have been known to have 'paladin vision' with things I enjoy.

So has this gone to KS yet? I seem to be lost here. Whats up with it?