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From what we know of the lead times on such projects, the design team would have needed to start working on this "new edition" as soon as they finished the last one, i.e. before it was even published, right? I find that hard to believe.

Probably just a cleaned up version of the current ruleset, possibly incorporating the latest expansions, then. Which won't change anything that's currently right or wrong with 40k.

i'm with the '6.5 rolled into one book' crowd. Gw wouldn't cut the time between new versions like that, it'd piss off too many people. If i were a cynic i'd say that 40k radio knew this and exaggerated it to a full new edition to generate publicity.

xruslanx wrote:
it'd piss off too many people.

When's this ever stopped them before?

xruslanx wrote:
i'm with the '6.5 rolled into one book' crowd. Gw wouldn't cut the time between new versions like that, it'd piss off too many people. If i were a cynic i'd say that 40k radio knew this and exaggerated it to a full new edition to generate publicity.

Kind of like when they emplaced embargos and destroyed every single online store over night?

 Ravenous D wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
i'm with the '6.5 rolled into one book' crowd. Gw wouldn't cut the time between new versions like that, it'd piss off too many people. If i were a cynic i'd say that 40k radio knew this and exaggerated it to a full new edition to generate publicity.

Kind of like when they emplaced embargos and destroyed every single online store over night?

The embargo I remember, destroying every single online store overnight I do not.

Did someone get a bottle of hyperbole for Christmas?

Until orks get a codex, 6th or 6.5 is unplayable for me right now.

 Crimson wrote:

Bronzefists42 wrote:

I feel the only thing that makes sense is that this is a mousetrap for leakers.

I don't believe this for a second. If they wanted to do something like that, they would not use this sort of rumour for it. This is a rumour that will make a big part of their customer base uneasy, they might even stop buying 6th edition stuff as they wait the new edition to arrive.

We are looking at GW here. They're smart enough to see it could work as a mousetrap but could never think ahead like that or so it seems...

depends how high up their source is. It'd be easy to route out a leak from say, a small group of designers. But if it's a play tester it'd be one of a group of hundreds of people, since there isn't anything in the rumour to act as a control variable - an actual release month, say. So i think it's unlikely to be a deliberate leak

 notprop wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
i'm with the '6.5 rolled into one book' crowd. Gw wouldn't cut the time between new versions like that, it'd piss off too many people. If i were a cynic i'd say that 40k radio knew this and exaggerated it to a full new edition to generate publicity.

Kind of like when they emplaced embargos and destroyed every single online store over night?

The embargo I remember, destroying every single online store overnight I do not.

Did someone get a bottle of hyperbole for Christmas?

No, you just don't live in North America. Trade laws in the EU prohibit GW from effectively banning online sales there. In Canada and the US they don't, so GW forbade people from using online shopping carts there. If you want to order GW from a retailer such as the War Store or Miniature market, you can only do so via phone; no emails allowed or they violate their trade account terms.

Now, it's not illegal, obviously or they wouldn't be able to do it. However, "legal" and "just" or "fair" have never been equivalent terms.

carmachu wrote:
Until orks get a codex, 6th or 6.5 is unplayable for me right now.

With escalation rules you can just start bringing a stompa carrying some loota mobs with as many meks as you can pack into it to every game, which should go a little way toward evening things up.

 Krinsath wrote:
If you want to order GW from a retailer such as the War Store or Miniature market, you can only do so via phone; no emails allowed or they violate their trade account terms.

They used to do email all the time. That's how they send you the price spreadsheet. You then fill out the form with what you want and they send you an invoice (again via email) which you set up payment for (CC or Debit usually). Or, yes, you could just call them.

I guess my earlier statement was a bit rash... like the sour grapes... My hobby interest has been vested since Rogue Trader. I personally disliked Hero Hammer the most, but I played. This latest version I haven't played but 6 times, or there about, with plans to get a table at home in the recreation room soon to play. I have a serious interest in 40K, the novels, the models, so I spoke rashly about the prospect of a 2014 rule change...
I guess I'll just watch what happens.

 augustus5 wrote:

carmachu wrote:
Until orks get a codex, 6th or 6.5 is unplayable for me right now.

With escalation rules you can just start bringing a stompa carrying some loota mobs with as many meks as you can pack into it to every game, which should go a little way toward evening things up.

It is the next step in the "pay to win" strategy sell rules one needs to win, sell codices one needs to win to sell the miniatures one needs to win. In a limited edition... where is my nipplefree shirt.

 Breotan wrote:

 Krinsath wrote:
If you want to order GW from a retailer such as the War Store or Miniature market, you can only do so via phone; no emails allowed or they violate their trade account terms.

They used to do email all the time. That's how they send you the price spreadsheet. You then fill out the form with what you want and they send you an invoice (again via email) which you set up payment for (CC or Debit usually). Or, yes, you could just call them.

Obtaining a price list (which you can do via email) != placing an order. If you look at both of their sites right this second, the only means they show to actually place an order involves picking up a telephone. I dimly recall this not always being the case, and I would be mildly surprised if they aren't willing to take an order over email from an existing customer. However, the official policy presented to any new customer is if you want GW product without going to a store you have to pick up the phone during business hours or order it from GW.

However, that's a bit of a side-topic. It does illustrate that GW cares not one iota about pissing off customers nor independent retailers if it means their own bottom-line can be moved forward a tick in the short-term. Of course, things like that have a way of catching up to you in the long-term, but I don't know that anyone at GW particularly cares either.

 augustus5 wrote:

carmachu wrote:
Until orks get a codex, 6th or 6.5 is unplayable for me right now.

With escalation rules you can just start bringing a stompa carrying some loota mobs with as many meks as you can pack into it to every game, which should go a little way toward evening things up.

Not interested. I want to play ork boyz or kans. Being told "go use a stompa" or "go battle wagon up" or "use shootas and lootas." means I have tons of models laying around that will get no use and need a new $100+ model.

No thanks.

 notprop wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

xruslanx wrote:
i'm with the '6.5 rolled into one book' crowd. Gw wouldn't cut the time between new versions like that, it'd piss off too many people. If i were a cynic i'd say that 40k radio knew this and exaggerated it to a full new edition to generate publicity.

Kind of like when they emplaced embargos and destroyed every single online store over night?

The embargo I remember, destroying every single online store overnight I do not.

Did someone get a bottle of hyperbole for Christmas?

You mean when they changed the trade account agreements forbidding them from selling online or out of their countries, it was a big deal.

This ring any bells?

 Allod wrote:
From what we know of the lead times on such projects, the design team would have needed to start working on this "new edition" as soon as they finished the last one, i.e. before it was even published, right? I find that hard to believe.

Probably just a cleaned up version of the current ruleset, possibly incorporating the latest expansions, then. Which won't change anything that's currently right or wrong with 40k.

Exactly. If true, this isn't a traditional "new edition" but more of an update.

 Allod wrote:
From what we know of the lead times on such projects, the design team would have needed to start working on this "new edition" as soon as they finished the last one, i.e. before it was even published, right? I find that hard to believe.

Starting development on the next iteration of a product before you launch the "current" edition is nothing new.

If it is going to make the game more assault friendly and not do a complete revision (unlikely) then I'd be happy.

But, in all likelihood, if this happens it is probably going to be just 6th ed coming together with the digital releases (escalation, kill team, etc) and probably multiplayer rules?

carmachu wrote:

 augustus5 wrote:

carmachu wrote:
Until orks get a codex, 6th or 6.5 is unplayable for me right now.

With escalation rules you can just start bringing a stompa carrying some loota mobs with as many meks as you can pack into it to every game, which should go a little way toward evening things up.

Not interested. I want to play ork boyz or kans. Being told "go use a stompa" or "go battle wagon up" or "use shootas and lootas." means I have tons of models laying around that will get no use and need a new $100+ model.

No thanks.

Sounds like..most every army out there now cept Tau!

 Selym wrote:

 urion wrote:
Everyone wants a new edition till it comes out. Then they want a new edition.

I don't want a new ed. I want 5th back. I was looking forward to 6th's release, got the book, recoiled in horror, and died a little inside.

If the new book is 6.1, I'll not bother with it. If it is 7.0, I'll either go for a starter set w/mini book, or I'll do a sneaky-sneaky.

Yeah, if it is a new battle-box set I'll definetly skip the that big pile of garbage that is the full rulebook and get a battlebox with a ton of minis to assemble and forget about .

At this point, the only thing that I really want to see is an advancement in the timeline. Maybe even have the Emperor die and the Imperium splinter into several pocket empires.

That does NOT require a new edition.

TechMarine1 wrote:
At this point, the only thing that I really want to see is an advancement in the timeline. Maybe even have the Emperor die and the Imperium splinter into several pocket empires.

That does NOT require a new edition.

Save it for fan fiction. Even GW is smart enough not to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

TechMarine1 wrote:
At this point, the only thing that I really want to see is an advancement in the timeline. Maybe even have the Emperor die and the Imperium splinter into several pocket empires.

Why? I mean, how would that change the game at all? I hear this "advance the timeline" all the time and so far, no one was able to tell me what that would change, save for a few paragraphs of fluff.

 Allod wrote:

TechMarine1 wrote:
At this point, the only thing that I really want to see is an advancement in the timeline. Maybe even have the Emperor die and the Imperium splinter into several pocket empires.

Why? I mean, how would that change the game at all? I hear this "advance the timeline" all the time and so far, no one was able to tell me what that would change, save for a few paragraphs of fluff.

"Advancing the timeline" = "changing the setting". An Imperium segmented in a way that some posters want would completely change the dymanic of 40k, imo one of the strongpoints of the setting is the idea of the Imperium itself - a corpse-God kept alive by the sacrifices of millions of people every day, and an Imperium that just doesn't give a damn.

You could argue in favour of advancing the timeline without actually changing anything drastic I suppose. I would be favour of that, but then the problem with nerdy hobbies like ours is that people tend to get very upset over minor changes to the background. I'm sure there are parts of the fluff that, if they were changed, would piss me right off. If it affected the army I collect it could even stop me spending money, and we wouldn't want that now would we?

xruslanx wrote:

 Allod wrote:

TechMarine1 wrote:
At this point, the only thing that I really want to see is an advancement in the timeline. Maybe even have the Emperor die and the Imperium splinter into several pocket empires.

Why? I mean, how would that change the game at all? I hear this "advance the timeline" all the time and so far, no one was able to tell me what that would change, save for a few paragraphs of fluff.

"Advancing the timeline" = "changing the setting". An Imperium segmented in a way that some posters want would completely change the dymanic of 40k, imo one of the strongpoints of the setting is the idea of the Imperium itself - a corpse-God kept alive by the sacrifices of millions of people every day, and an Imperium that just doesn't give a damn.

You could argue in favour of advancing the timeline without actually changing anything drastic I suppose. I would be favour of that, but then the problem with nerdy hobbies like ours is that people tend to get very upset over minor changes to the background. I'm sure there are parts of the fluff that, if they were changed, would piss me right off. If it affected the army I collect it could even stop me spending money, and we wouldn't want that now would we?

You mean like how, in the new edition, the Emperor told Guilliman that he would have to protect the Tau because of their resistance to Chaos?

I've long wondered why players can't pick some part of the 10,000 years after the heresy, and say that they are playing a force from maybe 35m.
When you stop and realize how much has happened in our own lonely planet in just the last 1000 years, just extrapolate that out to a setting with thousands if not millions of planets that are in the 40k setting.
You could have 10,000 years of timeline that never encounter any of the key characters or events from the published setting.
Look at Dan Abnett's Novel setting, completely independent of the main story, and actually set hundreds of years in the past.
Or the Calixis Sector of the RPGs. Plenty of ways to play 40k, and have a new story, if you want to.

carmachu wrote:

 augustus5 wrote:

carmachu wrote:
Until orks get a codex, 6th or 6.5 is unplayable for me right now.

With escalation rules you can just start bringing a stompa carrying some loota mobs with as many meks as you can pack into it to every game, which should go a little way toward evening things up.

Not interested. I want to play ork boyz or kans. Being told "go use a stompa" or "go battle wagon up" or "use shootas and lootas." means I have tons of models laying around that will get no use and need a new $100+ model.

No thanks.

It was meant as kind of a joke, showing how new rules being released (in this case escalation) drive sales of big shiny and expensive models just so players can keep pace with each other.

xruslanx wrote:
i'm with the '6.5 rolled into one book' crowd. Gw wouldn't cut the time between new versions like that, it'd piss off too many people.

Although we share different realities, my and your lines of thinking coincide on this one.

Every time I see that Miniwargaming video I think air DJ.