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They're named upgrades - I would say from the names (Paragon Gauntlet, Mark of the Omnissiah) they're artefacts….

Makes sense actually. The only weapon not usable from what we've seen of the new models is the melta gun. The Warden comes stock with the chainblade and we've seen the battlecannon on the Crusader. So you can obviously make the normal knights too

I'll be happy if they aren't pulling the standard knight boxes too as it'll be nice for people if they don't need to pay the extra $17 for a paladin or errant.

 zedmeister wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It doesn't say anything about the Heirlooms in there, does it?

Edit: Oi, post changer!

Hmmm, reckon this kit includes everything which is pretty nice. Magnetising is a must I reckon. What's the betting that the old Knight box will be phased out in time?

I would give it until the stocks of the Paladin/Errant kit run out--then they'll just drop the SKU.

The two boxes are 'still currently available' but the Warden box has all the same sprues as the standard Knight - so I would say it's a definite..

Wonder if the transfer sheets will be the same or if they'll drop or include a new one?

 Art Steventon wrote:
They're named upgrades - I would say from the names (Paragon Gauntlet, Mark of the Omnissiah) they're artefacts….

Interesting, this should make customising the suits a bit more fun and give us some extra stuff to waste points on if playing a pure Knight army.

 zedmeister wrote:
Wonder if the transfer sheets will be the same or if they'll drop or include a new one?

They might not.

From the descriptions of the "new" Knight kit, it apparently has some fancypants detailing built into the carapace of the Knight itself.

Nope - same carapace.

I wish they would do more decals or re-release the old LE ones. Impossible to do House Griffith otherwise.

 Art Steventon wrote:
Nope - same carapace.

That's not what is suggested by this:

I should have specified "optional detailing", but my point remains the same.

Those carapace weapons nicely fit into that big hole that the carapace features right now.

As Brook says - they slot in to the current carapace. It even mentions that if you already own a Knight, you can use the spare parts on that...

I'm not really discussing the weaponry here. There's a bit at the bottom of the first paragraph:

Maybe you could build a Knight Paladin or Errant with one of the new face plates, the tilting shield, or even the new carapace iconography

Yes, I already pointed that out a bit back, there's one or two new icons included as well, the ones fitted above the head of the Kniggit.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not really discussing the weaponry here. There's a bit at the bottom of the first paragraph:

Maybe you could build a Knight Paladin or Errant with one of the new face plates, the tilting shield, or even the new carapace iconography

That's GW speak for stick on badges, Kan.

Plastic icons that can be attached - is all. Not a new carapace (though that would have been nice).

Neat stuff though

Still sad they're outclased by the sorely underpriced and overpowered Wraithknights

Prices auf Deutsch!



So two separate boxes, the new one being more expensive because it's just the old one + new sprue.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not really discussing the weaponry here. There's a bit at the bottom of the first paragraph:

Maybe you could build a Knight Paladin or Errant with one of the new face plates, the tilting shield, or even the new carapace iconography

That's GW speak for stick on badges, Kan.

Yeah, I didn't expound my initial thoughts well enough I think.

I'm cool with stick on badges.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Makes sense actually. The only weapon not usable from what we've seen of the new models is the melta gun. The Warden comes stock with the chainblade and we've seen the battlecannon on the Crusader. So you can obviously make the normal knights too

We've only seen the rule page for the Warden; I'm interested if the Crusader's battlecannon is just a standard Knight rapid-fire battle cannon or if it will be a even a little different. I realize Epic isn't all that much to go by seeing as the Warden isn't reminiscent of its Epic incarnation, but the Crusader use to have a Quake Cannon and its such a big change on a fundamental level. Maybe a cannon is a cannon model-wise and it just has quake shells or some such; even FW pulled that variant cannon rules with their 30k paladin rules.

I find it ironic. The conversion I thought for a warden that would be taboo turned out to be their direction with it.

Hmm I wonder if the Crusader uses the battle cannon bits, but is actually a different weapon when used on the Crusader

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm I wonder if the Crusader uses the battle cannon bits, but is actually a different weapon when used on the Crusader

Exactly what I was wondering. It just seems to big a departure to go from being a "Quake" reduced to just one more battle cannon.

 Hulksmash wrote:

I'll be happy if they aren't pulling the standard knight boxes too as it'll be nice for people if they don't need to pay the extra $17 for a paladin or errant.

They're keeping the knight old boxes at the old prices (I suspect they still have inventory, in any case), but in most cases, I don't think it makes sense to buy it. The bits from the new box will be worth more than the extra $17

At worst, it will make a nice gift to someone you like.

Do we have any idea what the base cost for the new knights are? Because they will need to drop quite abit with how thows upgrades are priced, and when compared to the Wraithknight.

 Lockark wrote:
Do we have any idea what the base cost for the new knights are? Because they will need to drop quite abit with how thows upgrades are priced, and when compared to the Wraithknight.

same cost as the old knights I believe. The wraithknight was probably just an insane aberration in point cost not anything setting a new pattern.

 Lockark wrote:
Do we have any idea what the base cost for the new knights are? Because they will need to drop quite abit with how thows upgrades are priced, and when compared to the Wraithknight.

There is a screenshot somewhere -- it hasn't changed. WK is a better deal. For the price of an allied IK, you can almost get a WK and 6 basic bikes. Just need an HQ. Imperium is better off allying Eldar, lol

 Art Steventon wrote:
The two boxes are 'still currently available' but the Warden box has all the same sprues as the standard Knight - so I would say it's a definite..

They still sell Rhinos, even though the Razorback box has all the bits you need to build a Rhino too. No reason they wouldn't do the same here.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Prices auf Deutsch!



So two separate boxes, the new one being more expensive because it's just the old one + new sprue.

Wait, it says "Imperial Knight Warden, Crusader and Gallant..." What is the Knight Gallant?!?

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Makes sense actually. The only weapon not usable from what we've seen of the new models is the melta gun. The Warden comes stock with the chainblade and we've seen the battlecannon on the Crusader. So you can obviously make the normal knights too

We've only seen the rule page for the Warden; I'm interested if the Crusader's battlecannon is just a standard Knight rapid-fire battle cannon or if it will be a even a little different. I realize Epic isn't all that much to go by seeing as the Warden isn't reminiscent of its Epic incarnation, but the Crusader use to have a Quake Cannon and its such a big change on a fundamental level. Maybe a cannon is a cannon model-wise and it just has quake shells or some such; even FW pulled that variant cannon rules with their 30k paladin rules.

Reading the text on the Crusader page, it looks like it comes with the Thermal Cannon, which can be upgraded to the Battle Cannon.

 HGChamberlainIV wrote:

Wait, it says "Imperial Knight Warden, Crusader and Gallant..." What is the Knight Gallant?!?

Punchy-stabby.

Probably the Sword/Fist version.