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how often are you going to have a bunch of knights within 6" of each other?

considering the base size of them, a LOT

Vyxen wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:So, baronial court is the go to with its ionic shield wall, right? Sure, obsec is nice, but how often do your Knights contest an objective?

Maybe in the big Apocalypse game where you can load up on every model you own, but in a regular game, how often are you going to have a bunch of knights within 6" of each other?

Considering you only need to have one other knight nearby, pretty good. Not too much of a stretch to have two teams of two Knights. He'd, can go with my current 1500 knight list of two Paladins, an errant, and a Castigator. Pair the Paladins up, pair the errant and Castigator up, they all get a 3++. At 2000, throw in a warden(or is the crusader the one with two ranged weapons?) or a gallant, depending on if you want more back weapons, or an extra battlecannon. Depending on how much the iwnd relic is, throw that on your warlord.

The gallant is tempting. 50 point discount to make it all about close combat? Throw an iron storm or something on top to weaken up things before you charge, but if you want it get stuck in anyways, fifty points to lose a round of fire?

 Crazyterran wrote:

Vyxen wrote:

Crazyterran wrote:So, baronial court is the go to with its ionic shield wall, right? Sure, obsec is nice, but how often do your Knights contest an objective?

Maybe in the big Apocalypse game where you can load up on every model you own, but in a regular game, how often are you going to have a bunch of knights within 6" of each other?

Considering you only need to have one other knight nearby, pretty good. Not too much of a stretch to have two teams of two Knights. He'd, can go with my current 1500 knight list of two Paladins, an errant, and a Castigator. Pair the Paladins up, pair the errant and Castigator up, they all get a 3++. At 2000, throw in a warden(or is the crusader the one with two ranged weapons?) or a gallant, depending on if you want more back weapons, or an extra battlecannon. Depending on how much the iwnd relic is, throw that on your warlord.

The gallant is tempting. 50 point discount to make it all about close combat? Throw an iron storm or something on top to weaken up things before you charge, but if you want it get stuck in anyways, fifty points to lose a round of fire?

crusader has two guns.

I'm thinking the same as you with 2 teams of 2 running around raising hell.

 Stormwall wrote:


Would you mind sending me images of the instructions? I'm just very curious as to what is included and what parts go where, as I'm waiting to sell my Plasma obliterator and some other 40k stuff to buy this model. (So expensive on the table and in real life haha. )

Would love to help, man, but there are a lot of pages to that instruction booklet. Is there anything in particular you want to know? It's just the old knight + new sprue. You can pretty much guess looking at the new sprue how the extra pieces go together.

Just email GW that your kit was missing the instructions and they will mail you a PDF.

Fascinating as a sidetrek into the wonderful world of IP issues is, we're not doing that here or again.

shade1313 wrote:
I don' t know if the Styrix rules in HH4 have a similar text. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new IA book with all five of the FW knights in it relatively soon, though.

Styrix has a Volkite gun, so I can't see it coming over to 40k land. Even when Conquest wasn't out yet, its sheet was only in the 30k section of the FW downloads page.

Then again, the Castigator has a Deflagrate CCW, and that's legal for 40K, so I'd never say never.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Then again, the Castigator has a Deflagrate CCW, and that's legal for 40K, so I'd never say never.

I wouldn't complain if it went 40k, as I own two. But I am just not expecting it.

yeah,
So it seems that complaining to GW about a new codex after 1 year fell on deaf ears.


I emailed my disappointment, but doubt I'll hear from them again.


The flat refusal to comment on the extra short lifespan of codex knights may be a sign of things to come :(

Panic...

So, is this new 'dex worth buying then?

Well, no new stuff on sale here just yet. The local GW rep is on vacation and as such, everything has ground to a halt, with no orders being fulfilled.

I was hoping that someone had the ebook version.

@Panic: Oh snap, you threw Medge in there! Just kidding. They don't care though in all seriousness.

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
So it seems that complaining to GW about a new codex after 1 year fell on deaf ears.

Spoiler:

Hi Gary,
Thanks for the email. I'm sorry that our previous emails have not been very clear for you.

The only way that we would be able to do anything for you here would be if your book had still been in its original shrink wrap and in a re-saleable condition, or we had proof of purchase showing that the book was purchased within the last month.

I am very sorry, but in this instance we will not be able to help.
If you need anything further however, please feel free to contact us again.

Kind regards,
Lydia
uk.custserv@gwplc.com

I emailed my disappointment, but doubt I'll hear from them again.

Spoiler:

Lydia,

Had hoped that GW would understand why people were unhappy with a codex that lasts only one year. I'm disappointed with the refusal to accept something's wrong here.

A codex should last more than 1 year. The length has always been 3+ years.
It's sad GW moved to release books so sooner forcing repurchases if customers want to keep using their models.

I used to be what the community called a white knight... But it's been your repeated behaviour of invalidating products and raising prices that has made me become cynical. For the first time I'm starting to understand why some people pirate codexs blaming rising costs.

GWs refusal at the least offer a reason as to why this is all OK has damaged my loyalty further. This sad state of affairs makes me feel better about moving more of my time and money away from 40k towards FFG's xwing.

I'll also be pledging for Dakkas new game. Hopefully once your companies competition grow strong and you begin to lose market share you'll value your customers more and treat them better.

Disappointed,
Gary Keenan.

The flat refusal to comment on the extra short lifespan of codex knights may be a sign of things to come :(

Panic...

Why would you expect a customer service rep to be able to comment on a design team decision?

I think he was expecting the customer service rep to comment/act on a customer service issue, namely the unprecedented replacement of a product only a year old invalidating his purchase. I agree that he shouldn't expect any resolution like a discount or partial credit from GW on this matter (as opposed to a defective product) realistically but he tried and made his feelings known. Whether or not he carries through with his "threat" in the long term is another story.

 warboss wrote:
I think he was expecting the customer service rep to comment/act on a customer service issue, namely the unprecedented replacement of a product only a year old invalidating his purchase.

That's not really a "customer service" issue though.

No matter how much people think it to be a "customer service" issue, it's a design team issue.

I agree that he shouldn't expect any resolution like a discount or partial credit from GW on this matter (as opposed to a defective product) realistically but he tried and made his feelings known. Whether or not he carries through with his "threat" in the long term is another story.

Which is fine, but at the same time it's pissing into the wind.

And really it seems like the only reason he went for emails is so that he could repost his scathingly witty retorts at the CSR onto the Internet. All of this could have been done just as effectively in a phone call or a physical letter.

Kanluwen, I'm confused, if it is fine, why are your taking a slight issue about what another guy said to GW. Guy has a (1 million percent valid) complaint, complains to the company. That is "fine" as you say. So no need for some weird parsing between "design team" and "customer service."

Whether or not it is pissing into the wind (it is lol), GW needs to be called out on their nonsense.

People attacking GW provokes a reflex defensive action in Kan, even if he agrees with them!

 Azreal13 wrote:
People attacking GW provokes a reflex defensive action in Kan, even if he agrees with them!

Maybe. It's just bizarre is what it is. Like, obviously people should complain to a company when they have complaints and do it in the normal way by contacting customer service (Kan seems to be implying to hunt down and then stalk the design team before they can be cornered? Lol). Also, apparently emailing GW (in 2015, the 21st Century ) is an issue worth complaining about? Or is it the fact that (gasp) the complaint was relayed to others? Maybe that's it. But... we are on the internet. It is 2015. People talk to each other here.

Like I said, most bizarre comment I have read all day.


Edited to add before anyone else mentions it. Yes I realize that this has now resulted in me complaining about how someone else is complaining about how someone else complained to GW.

yeah,
My reposting my emails is to show that I'm taking action.
I urge everyone else who is disappointed with this to complain to GW.

Maybe they wil see sense.

Panic...

Azreal13 wrote:People attacking GW provokes a reflex defensive action in Kan, even if he agrees with them!

While made in jest, I don't appreciate these kinds of comments.

Super Newb wrote:Kanluwen, I'm confused, if it is fine, why are your taking a slight issue about what another guy said to GW. Guy has a (1 million percent valid) complaint, complains to the company. That is "fine" as you say. So no need for some weird parsing between "design team" and "customer service."

Actually yeah, there is.

The design team is not the same team that's answering your emails when you send an email to the company. And quite frankly, if you read my posts it's not what he said to GW that I "take issue with".

It's the fact that not only did he continually email--but then felt the urge to post the entire email chain, as close to real-time as possible

Whether or not it is pissing into the wind (it is lol), GW needs to be called out on their nonsense.

Which can all be done in a single email.

Look, what response was he really expecting?
For them to roll over and beg for forgiveness while giving him a new Knight book and Datacards?

The best response anyone was going to get was if they bought the book within the return window, they could exchange the old book for the new one with no questions asked. The fact that he kept arguing the point afterwards with what amounts to a customer service goon just smacks of not simply "calling out GW on their nonsense", but rather just wanting a fight for the sake of a fight.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Super Newb wrote:Kanluwen, I'm confused, if it is fine, why are your taking a slight issue about what another guy said to GW. Guy has a (1 million percent valid) complaint, complains to the company. That is "fine" as you say. So no need for some weird parsing between "design team" and "customer service."

Actually yeah, there is.

The design team is not the same team that's answering your emails when you send an email to the company. And quite frankly, if you read my posts it's not what he said to GW that I "take issue with".

It's the fact that not only did he continually email--but then felt the urge to post the entire email chain, as close to real-time as possible

Whether or not it is pissing into the wind (it is lol), GW needs to be called out on their nonsense.

Which can all be done in a single email.

Look, what response was he really expecting?
For them to roll over and beg for forgiveness while giving him a new Knight book and Datacards?

The best response anyone was going to get was if they bought the book within the return window, they could exchange the old book for the new one with no questions asked. The fact that he kept arguing the point afterwards with what amounts to a customer service goon just smacks of not simply "calling out GW on their nonsense", but rather just wanting a fight for the sake of a fight.

Ok, now THIS message of yours replaced your last one as the most bizarre thing I read all day.

I mean, seriously? Why are doubling down on this. Really dude? "Quite frankly" you are actually bizarrely perturbed over this. Nitpicking all sorts of silly little things (again with you mentioning the design team? How is anyone supposed to track down the design team?), stating yet again your disapproval of his oh so horrible action of posting the e-mail correspondence he had with customer service. Because it is SO horrible that he made several e-mails, instead of one, or as you mentioned earlier one letter or phone call. Yes, let's complain about that repeatedly. Because that's normal. No wait, it isn't. It isn't normal to keep complaining that someone made a few e-mails to customer service instead of one. So so so so very strange. Please do yourself a favor and don't respond anymore if all you are going to do is repeat yourself.

Guy has valid, complaint, complains to the GW department that takes complaints. You don't like how he did it (too many e-mails, didn't use the phone or write an mail a physical letter). You keep telling us you don't like it. Cool story bro. No need to repeat yourself again.

"Perturbed" implies an emotional investment. There is none.

If you have nothing to add beyond "cool story bro", then maybe you don't actually quite understand my reason for posting what I did.

But hey, don't worry about me replying to any of your posts again.

"Bro".

 Panic wrote:
yeah,
My reposting my emails is to show that I'm taking action.
I urge everyone else who is disappointed with this to complain to GW.

Maybe they wil see sense.

I think this has a low chance of success, but not saying anything to GW has a zero percent chance of success. So at least you are trying.

I haven't bought a codex since they split the GK codex into 3. That's my bit of protest. Maybe I should write them a letter about the increasing lack of value their codexes provide...


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 Kanluwen wrote:
"Perturbed" implies an emotional investment. There is none.

Something something 'doth protests too much.' Your bizarre comments speak for themselves.

If you have nothing to add beyond "cool story bro", then maybe you don't actually quite understand my reason for posting what I did.

Wow. Just wow. I give people the benefit of the doubt, but this behavior reflects poorly on you. Obviously I said quite a bit more than that phrase. All you had to do was quote my post. This time you quoted nothing of what I said to you just now, last time you only quoted a few tiny pieces of my first couple of messages to you. It is beyond laughable that you are claiming I have nothing to say when you ignored most of what I said to you. Your behavior is so disappointing.

But hey, don't worry about me replying to any of your posts again.

If this is how you always act, I welcome this development. Hopefully this is just a rare, incredibly strange blemish on an otherwise ok posting history. I'm not going to put you on ignore so I guess I'll see.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Azreal13 wrote:People attacking GW provokes a reflex defensive action in Kan, even if he agrees with them!

While made in jest, I don't appreciate these kinds of comments.

S'ok, it's an acquired taste, I'll keep making them and eventually you'll come to love them.

RULE #1 is NOT optional - consider this the first, and last, in thread general warning from me to that end in this thread.

FYI, you can order the Imperial Knight Companion again.

I was just going through some old wishlists on the US GW website, and it popped as being available on my wishlist. I just ran a search as a further test and threw one in my cart. (I don't have money to buy one right now, or I'd give it a whirl.)

I would venture they pulled it off the website as a mistake...since it's just a fluff book anyway.

Picked up my Knight kit just now and two things instantly popped out, the tabs of the box now have a bit of flavour text on them "I will uphold the honour of my house" and a makers plate on the bottom one.

Also, the instruction manual is a nice full-colour booklet now with handy painting guides for the big houses.

 BrookM wrote:
Picked up my Knight kit just now and two things instantly popped out, the tabs of the box now have a bit of flavour text on them "I will uphold the honour of my house" and a makers plate on the bottom one.

Also, the instruction manual is a nice full-colour booklet now with handy painting guides for the big houses.

Oh, painting guides? Now that is nice. I can't wait to get mine.