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California

Green tide : waaagh every turn, HoW
Ork Warband : waaagh every turn, HoW
War boss can waaagh once.

They added noting new, thats the disappointment. What about a new army wide benefit ?

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UK

Ha, lol the plane formations are really bad.

Blitzabomber: I'm not dropping bombs on Tanks, I'm dropping bombs on Elite Infantry.
Burnabombers: Well they were bad to begin with. Better AP might have had use.
Dakkajet: Decent, but you usually need 5/6's to hurt the flyers. Lootas/Traktor Kannons are better in almost every way.

YMDC = nightmare 
   
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If they at least added some extra bonuses to WAAAGH! it would have made sense, as it is, having WAAAGH! every turn doesn't have that much impact unless you have the prophet of the WAAAGH! warlord trait, which is only guaranteed via Ghazghkull. I guess they're trying to shift Ghazghkull model sales then, too bad you need to take him in the Council.

My milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard and they're like, hurr darry darr.


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This is the....worst ....possible....thing.

Ok, I might be exaggerating, but it is pretty downright criminal the neglect orks get.....obviously gw thinks ork players want just 2 things, waaaghs!....and S3 HoW. It's all we ever need.

"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"

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 Frozocrone wrote:
Ha, lol the plane formations are really bad.

Blitzabomber: I'm not dropping bombs on Tanks, I'm dropping bombs on Elite Infantry.
Burnabombers: Well they were bad to begin with. Better AP might have had use.
Dakkajet: Decent, but you usually need 5/6's to hurt the flyers. Lootas/Traktor Kannons are better in almost every way.


Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't just give rending or shred to the dakkajets, a combined apocalyptic S10 (or dare I say strength D?) blast for the blitza bommers and an AP3 ignores cover version for the burna-bombers.

Its sad to see how little they think of Orks if they think these are things we'd be excited about. Just trying to shift more flyer models as always.

My milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard and they're like, hurr darry darr.


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Rending Dakkajets, yes I'd be on that. I know how deadly Flyrants are after using them, having Rending versions? Yes please.

Actually I think GW will fix Brainleech Worm devourers to S4 and kill off the Tyranids lol.

Back to Orks though, it's not even funny to me anymore it's just disheartening. I think I'm going to regretfully put mine on the back burner.

YMDC = nightmare 
   
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Is there any way to field a Looted wagon in the Ghazcurion ?

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Or for that matter, lootaz and mek gunz?

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Makari on that german site wrote:"Speshulists (Lootas, Burnas, Tankbustas, Posaz, Kommandos oder Strom Boyz), Mek Boy Big"


So those seem fine. But i haven't found the looted wagon :\
Quite bummed out about that.

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So, they have a decurion only formation? Depending on how many, you could take mek gunz as a cheap aux.

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Well I guess we can spam Tankbustas at least.

YMDC = nightmare 
   
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I own ~ 100 storm boyz still not sure if I would pay the 524 pt tax for the possibility to assault on turn one with them


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 Frozocrone wrote:
Well I guess we can spam Tankbustas at least.


yeah that was my first tough but can we really ?

Ghaz curion. : 524 pt tax -> Not sure but lets say 10x aux = max 10 Tank busta's ant nothing else .
3x CAD with boyz as troops and mek as HQ .405pt tax -> Max 9 Tank busta squads and 9x free all other slots.
3x min cad (mek +2x grots) ->255 ->Max 9 Tank busta squads and 9x free all other slots.

Ghaz might actually be worse in spamming tank busta;s

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UK

Hadn't even thought of that.

Can we start calling it a Crapcurion yet?

YMDC = nightmare 
   
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Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:Does the kill mob still require a gorkanught? Or is a morkanaught or gorkanaught now ?


Yes 1 Gorkanaut, 2 deff dreds an min 3 killa kans. 1 unit of nobz, 3 unit of boyz min 20, and a warboss/or grukk

Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:I'm reading from other threads the orkurian can waaagh turn 1. Any one confirm this ? If true that's possible turn 1 charges.


Yes turn 1 waaagh and every turn after that (as long as the boss lives) is true
   
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You're still better off with grots.


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Why are we the only army that loses all its super powers when you kill the boss.Wasn't that removed with the new edition of necorons ?

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We still have hope with the Painmob. =)

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 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
We still have hope with the Painmob. =)


I doubt it. I saw a rumour where units within 12" get 6+ FnP, Dread gets 6+ IWND.

Now that's not the official rule (ie one in the box) but considering this release, I wouldn't be surprised.

Oi oi oi...I need to sleep on this. See if I'm raging tomorrow

YMDC = nightmare 
   
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Core choices 1+

Waaagh!-band
Goff killmob

Command choices 0-1 per core

Council of waaagh
Oddboyz: 1 unit of weirdboy, painboy, mek or big mek (no special rules or formation in the supplement)

Auxiliary 1-10 per core
Dakkajet skwadron: 3 dakkajets
Ghazkulls bullyboyz
Blitz brigade
Boss Snikrots red skull kommandos
Blitza bommer skwadron: 3 blitza bommers
Runtz: 1 unit of gretchin (no special rules or formation in the supplement)
burna-bommer skwadron: 3 burna bommers
Speshulists: 1 unit of lootas, burna boyz, tankbustas, kommandos, stormboyz or flash gitz (no special rules or formation in the supplement)
speed freeks: 1 unit of warbikers, warbuggies or koptas (no special rules or formation in the supplement)
Mekboys big stuff: 1 stompa, gorkanaut, morkanaut, battlewagon or unit of mekgunz (no special rules or formation in the supplement)
Gorkanauts krushin crew
Dred mob
Air armada
Da vulcha skwad
Badrukks flash gitz
   
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UK

Gut-wrenching.

No new models? Really? Nothing? Just rehashes of existing formations and new garbage ones?

Someone please tell me there is a new Codex which works inside a CAD. Because I'm slowly losing my desire to play Orks.

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Did any previous codex have auxiliary choices without special rules or a formation? God damn this is so disappointing..

I mean I'm ok with not having super detachment like necrons, but show some dedication to what you produce GW! This is a really poor product.
   
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No kidding, this is...even worse than the Cadian supplement rules for IG. At least the Cadian one had some decent flavour and actual rules to make it worth considering, even if model-wise its not very feasible. They at least tried making several model combos viable with the psykana division, etc.

Tis a sad day for Ork players indeed. I'll still love my Orks and have fun, but the opportunity wasted is just face palm worthy.

My milkshakes bring all the boys to the yard and they're like, hurr darry darr.


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Yeah, Eldar had Wraith units, Necrons had C'Tan, Flayed Ones and Deathmarks.

Of those, only C'Tan and Wraithlord are considered uncompetitive, but even then, The Nightbringer has a tasty Ignore Cover ignore roll to hit AP2 attack and the Wraithlord isn't bad, just outclassed by the Knight.


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Well, hopefully no one buys this sham full display....might in a blue moon teach gw a lesson.

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Florence, KY

Brokk wrote:
Did any previous codex have auxiliary choices without special rules or a formation?

Yes. The Necron Decurion. The Death Marks, Flayed Ones and Star-God auxiliary choices are all individual units and not formations.

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Brokk wrote:
Did any previous codex have auxiliary choices without special rules or a formation? God damn this is so disappointing..


Yes. Since their inception basically every Decurion-style Detachment has had non-Formation Auxiliaries.

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UK

geargutz wrote:
Well, hopefully no one buys this sham full display....might in a blue moon teach gw a lesson.


Yeah I was originally going to get the Start Collecting Ork box sets because they seem like a good deal.

And they still are for what you're paying. I just don't have a desire to play Orks after these rules leaks, so why buy something I'm not going to use?

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 Frozocrone wrote:
 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
We still have hope with the Painmob. =)


I doubt it. I saw a rumour where units within 12" get 6+ FnP, Dread gets 6+ IWND.

Now that's not the official rule (ie one in the box) but considering this release, I wouldn't be surprised.

Oi oi oi...I need to sleep on this. See if I'm raging tomorrow


Ya I home that isn't true about the Painmob. But I won't be surprised if is the case.

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 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
 Swampmist wrote:
Again, main thing is that you can get infinite waaagh with Ghaz, meaning your army is fearless and ghaz gets his 2+ invuln.


Thats if you bring him in his council formation which is very expensive and not even that great of a deathstar for its huge cost.

It's 614pts over half of which is ghaz and mad doc. It's not that bad unless you go all mega armour or pk on everyone

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UK

gungo wrote:
 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
 Swampmist wrote:
Again, main thing is that you can get infinite waaagh with Ghaz, meaning your army is fearless and ghaz gets his 2+ invuln.


Thats if you bring him in his council formation which is very expensive and not even that great of a deathstar for its huge cost.

It's 614pts over half of which is ghaz and mad doc. It's not that bad unless you go all mega armour or pk on everyone


But it's so...underwhelming.

Let's not forget you need the core, which looks to be ~ 1k,

So you've got ~1614 points and that's without upgrades and an auxilliary! So you'll have to take cheap stuff like Deffkoptas for Objectives just to have enough points to spend on your 'deathstar'.

EDIT: Confirmed. HAHAHAHAHAHA. No.

Spoiler:


Because let's look at another issue, if you want Ghaz as your Warlord in the formation, you have to forgo Pain Boyz, or take Gretchin Tax in CAD. But with the amount of points you spend to get Ghaz, you might not even have enough for Painboys.

So Fearless or FnP? Take your pick.

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Let's not forget you need the core, which looks to be ~ 1k,


If the unit sizes etc of tthe waaaghband is the same as the old warband formation then it would only be 524 points. Core + Ghaz would be 1138 points.
This sounds bad but it might be quite interesting since it gives orks army wide fearless from the first turn until ghaz is dead. This is huge and completely undoes the mob rule nerf.

The tax for a painboys is just silly.

My first reaction was this is crap. But really it isn't that crappy. Sure it could be better but just look at what we got.

- Turn 1 Boyz in trukks + boarding planks are likely to charge 24"
- Army wide fearless -> No more crappy mob rule
- Ghaz 2+ invul

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