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So what was revealed? 14 pages and i can't figure it out.
Just the new elves and the inquisitor harlequin chic?

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
So what was revealed? 14 pages and i can't figure it out.
Just the new elves and the inquisitor harlequin chic?

WarCom Link

Lumineth Realm-lords army box
Blood Bowl Treeman
30k Word Bearers Praetors
The Quest of the Ringbearer book & Anborn and Mablung, Rangers of Ithilien.
Psychic Awakening: Pariah & Daemonifuge

Lumineth Starter Box

Word Bearer’s Praetors for HH

Treeman for Blood Bowl

Ranger Captains for LotR

New trailer for Angels of Death, plus stills of other upcoming shows.

Ephrael Stern & Harlie Chum.

Sons of Behemat trailer (all Giant army for AoS)

 insaniak wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

Darsath wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Bossdoc wrote:
Does anybody else think it's a slap in the face of all Harlequin players that the first Harlequin named Character is for Imperial Armys?

No. It's a game of toy soldiers. If you're interpreting an army's lack of special characters as a personal insult, there's a good chance you're taking it all just a bit too seriously.

I'm going to push back on this. If you're spending hundreds of pounds investing in anything, I would take it seriously.

I love how people use the toy soldiers argument and forget how much the toy soldiers cost. For the amount of money that's put into the game, we have the damn right to complain about mistakes or broken crap, especially when we are catching them once we have rules previews!

The poster I was responding to wasn't complaining about mistakes or broken crap.

Smaug wrote:

The problem with aspect warriors is that no ones buying them. People with eldar armies already have them and rarely look to replace what’s built and painted. People starting a new army have to mail order them and l’ve seen them go “no I’ll order them some other time give me that other box off of the shelf” or turn them down because they’re resin.

All problems that would be fixed with a multi-option plastic kit.

It isn't a mistake for potentially the first Harlequin named character to be just exclusive for Imperium armies?

Insaniak, I'd have more of a problem if you WEREN'T invested in what you invested a lot of time and money into. They can be dead wrong, but taking it seriously is a far cry from a crime.

 insaniak wrote:

Smaug wrote:

The problem with aspect warriors is that no ones buying them. People with eldar armies already have them and rarely look to replace what’s built and painted. People starting a new army have to mail order them and l’ve seen them go “no I’ll order them some other time give me that other box off of the shelf” or turn them down because they’re resin.

All problems that would be fixed with a multi-option plastic kit.

Yes definitely. If you’re reading GW please don’t make us wait another 14 years for the next plastic aspect kit.
Back on topic. If they’re half way through the reveals then AdeptiCon might have had the most stuff shown at any event.

Darsath wrote:
Insaniak, I'd have more of a problem if you WEREN'T invested in what you invested a lot of time and money into. They can be dead wrong, but taking it seriously is a far cry from a crime.

There's being invested, and there's being personally insulted that things aren't going the way you want them...

Nor did I say that it was a 'crime'. Seriously, folks, I love hyperbole as much as the next 14 billion people, but this is where a large amount of the toxicity comes from in internet fandom. It's never enough for someone to just, you know, not like something or disagree with something. It has to be the worst thing ever, or a deliberate attempt to annoy/insult/rip off the complainer.

Just dial the angst down a few notches, is all I'm suggesting. You'll likely enjoy your hobby a damn sight more.

 insaniak wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Insaniak, I'd have more of a problem if you WEREN'T invested in what you invested a lot of time and money into. They can be dead wrong, but taking it seriously is a far cry from a crime.

There's being invested, and there's being personally insulted that things aren't going the way you want them...

Nor did I say that it was a 'crime'. Seriously, folks, I love hyperbole as much as the next 14 billion people, but this is where a large amount of the toxicity comes from in internet fandom. It's never enough for someone to just, you know, not like something or [idisagree[/i] with something. It has to be the [i]worst thing ever/i], or a deliberate attempt to annoy/insult/rip off the complainer.

Just dial the angst down a few notches, is all I'm suggesting. You'll likely enjoy your hobby a damn sight more.

I went back and re-read the post you replied to, assuming i missed some sort of tirade or rage. But I couldn't find it. You've strawmanned pretty hard here, and portrayed someone (I don't know if you mean me or the original post) as some raving lunatic.

And I am personally invested. Because I personally spent time building, painting and modelling, and spent hundreds of pounds I earned working long weekend shifts to buy all my stuff.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't a mistake for potentially the first Harlequin named character to be just exclusive for Imperium armies?

I didn't watch the stream, but was it specifically stated that they wouldn't work in a Harlequin force, or just that they would work in all Imperium armies?

 Dysartes wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't a mistake for potentially the first Harlequin named character to be just exclusive for Imperium armies?

I didn't watch the stream, but was it specifically stated that they wouldn't work in a Harlequin force, or just that they would work in all Imperium armies?

This is probably a fair question to ask. We'll probably hear more about this on their next preview, but given the character has been exiled, it's not looking good. Still, there might be some story in the PA book that changes that.

No. The WarCom page just explicitly says the pair works in a Sisters and thus in an Imperium army.

I'd be surprised if the Harly-friend doesn't have the Harlequin keyword.


It just seems probably that the pair will have explicit special rules specifically to not break any Sisters / Imperium army, even with the Harlequin, and quite possibly to not even break Sisters orders like Celestine or Ministorum Priests, etc.. ,


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Darsath wrote:

This is probably a fair question to ask. We'll probably hear more about this on their next preview, but given the character has been exiled, it's not looking good. Still, there might be some story in the PA book that changes that.

And? Ahriman is/was exiled from the Thousand Sons and for the longest time was their enemy no. 1. For 10,000 years, Magnus and any sentient Thousand Sons Sorcerer would've probably rather teamed up with Space Wolves than Ahriman. And yet he's back in their book.

Either way, given that the Ephrael Stern comics/stories are from 3rd (?) Edition, they will need to jump her a couple of hundred years forward anyhow into Dark Imperium-era-40K, either being lost in the Warp/Webway, getting Shadowsun-style frozen or whatever. In theory, plenty of time to make amends, if the writers want it to happen.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

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Darsath wrote:

This is probably a fair question to ask. We'll probably hear more about this on their next preview, but given the character has been exiled, it's not looking good. Still, there might be some story in the PA book that changes that.

And? Ahriman is/was exiled from the Thousand Sons and for the longest time was their enemy no. 1. For 10,000 years, Magnus and any sentient Thousand Sons Sorcerer would've probably rather teamed up with Space Wolves than Ahriman. And yet he's back in their book.

Either way, given that the Ephrael Stern comics/stories are from 3rd (?) Edition, they will need to jump her a couple of hundred years forward anyhow into Dark Imperium-era-40K, either being lost in the Warp/Webway, getting Shadowsun-style frozen or whatever. In theory, plenty of time to make amends, if the writers want it to happen.

I think they brought the character up again for some sort of story reason either way. I'd imagine it's going to let Harlequins use the character in their army as well, especially since they're in the book too.

I thought the point was, they aren’t in the book.
The Harlequins I mean?

Darsath wrote:

I think they brought the character up again for some sort of story reason either way. I'd imagine it's going to let Harlequins use the character in their army as well, especially since they're in the book too.

Actually, they are not in the book.

From what I understand the Harlequins - and Deathwatch - will be covered in a White Dwarf article rather than in a psychic awakening book.

Darsath wrote:

I went back and re-read the post you replied to, assuming i missed some sort of tirade or rage. But I couldn't find it. You've strawmanned pretty hard here, and portrayed someone (I don't know if you mean me or the original post) as some raving lunatic.

So the problem here would seem to be your assumption. My post was quite clear that I was responding to the suggestion that a special character not being usable in a Harlequin force should be taken as an insult by Harlequin players.

How about we not spend the next three pages arguing about whether or not someone claiming to be insulted was claiming to be insulted?


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Sunny Side Up wrote:

Darsath wrote:

This is probably a fair question to ask. We'll probably hear more about this on their next preview, but given the character has been exiled, it's not looking good. Still, there might be some story in the PA book that changes that.

And? Ahriman is/was exiled from the Thousand Sons and for the longest time was their enemy no. 1. For 10,000 years, Magnus and any sentient Thousand Sons Sorcerer would've probably rather teamed up with Space Wolves than Ahriman. And yet he's back in their book. .

Cypher has also at times been usable in Dark Angels forces, as well as Chaos forces.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
No. The WarCom page just explicitly says the pair works in a Sisters and thus in an Imperium army.

I'd be surprised if the Harly-friend doesn't have the Harlequin keyword.


It just seems probably that the pair will have explicit special rules specifically to not break any Sisters / Imperium army, even with the Harlequin, and quite possibly to not even break Sisters orders like Celestine or Ministorum Priests, etc.. ,


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Darsath wrote:

This is probably a fair question to ask. We'll probably hear more about this on their next preview, but given the character has been exiled, it's not looking good. Still, there might be some story in the PA book that changes that.

And? Ahriman is/was exiled from the Thousand Sons and for the longest time was their enemy no. 1. For 10,000 years, Magnus and any sentient Thousand Sons Sorcerer would've probably rather teamed up with Space Wolves than Ahriman. And yet he's back in their book.

Either way, given that the Ephrael Stern comics/stories are from 3rd (?) Edition, they will need to jump her a couple of hundred years forward anyhow into Dark Imperium-era-40K, either being lost in the Warp/Webway, getting Shadowsun-style frozen or whatever. In theory, plenty of time to make amends, if the writers want it to happen.

Flip side is that Bile can't be taken with Emperors Children, not sure if thats going to change with the new PA book, but I doubt it.

 Dysartes wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
It isn't a mistake for potentially the first Harlequin named character to be just exclusive for Imperium armies?

I didn't watch the stream, but was it specifically stated that they wouldn't work in a Harlequin force, or just that they would work in all Imperium armies?

Re-watching the stream it's not mentioned (except to convert him for use in your Eldar army). I'm wondering what the fluff 'update' for Ephrael Stern being included in any Imperial force is, given she ends the comics being hunted by the Inquisition (although it'll probably be something along the same lines as Cypher, as others have mentioned).

I'm also wondering if they're going to make any changes to the re-released graphic novel - the Black Templars ranks have changed since then, for example.

Darsath wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Bossdoc wrote:
Does anybody else think it's a slap in the face of all Harlequin players that the first Harlequin named Character is for Imperial Armys?

No. It's a game of toy soldiers. If you're interpreting an army's lack of special characters as a personal insult, there's a good chance you're taking it all just a bit too seriously.

I'm going to push back on this. If you're spending hundreds of pounds investing in anything, I would take it seriously.

"Investing" hundreds of pounds (by buying miniatures) in a Games Workshop game while claiming to take it very seriously is about the most foolish thing I've heard. That's like claiming that you've invested thousands of dollars at a restaurant by eating there each day.

beast_gts wrote:

Re-watching the stream it's not mentioned (except to convert him for use in your Eldar army). I'm wondering what the fluff 'update' for Ephrael Stern being included in any Imperial force is, given she ends the comics being hunted by the Inquisition (although it'll probably be something along the same lines as Cypher, as others have mentioned)..

Keep in mind that due to the divided nature of the Inquisition, someone can be on their hunt list while also still being in good standing elsewhere in the Imperium. The Eisenhorn books have a good example of this, with a puritan Inquisitor hunting Eisenhorn to censure him for witchcraft even while he was still an Inquisitor in good standing with the Ordo.

Is he confirmed to be only Imperium? I sort of figured he'd end up a separate character from her. They can be used together, or they can be taken alone. (Just what I assumed)

 insaniak wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Re-watching the stream it's not mentioned (except to convert him for use in your Eldar army). I'm wondering what the fluff 'update' for Ephrael Stern being included in any Imperial force is, given she ends the comics being hunted by the Inquisition (although it'll probably be something along the same lines as Cypher, as others have mentioned)..

Keep in mind that due to the divided nature of the Inquisition, someone can be on their hunt list while also still being in good standing elsewhere in the Imperium. The Eisenhorn books have a good example of this, with a puritan Inquisitor hunting Eisenhorn to censure him for witchcraft even while he was still an Inquisitor in good standing with the Ordo.

Yes, but it's enough of the Inquisition that she's got Grey Knights, Arbites & Assassins after her. Of course, that was now a few hundred-ish years ago...

Thanks beast and doc

 insaniak wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Insaniak, I'd have more of a problem if you WEREN'T invested in what you invested a lot of time and money into. They can be dead wrong, but taking it seriously is a far cry from a crime.

There's being invested, and there's being personally insulted that things aren't going the way you want them...

Nor did I say that it was a 'crime'. Seriously, folks, I love hyperbole as much as the next 14 billion people, but this is where a large amount of the toxicity comes from in internet fandom. It's never enough for someone to just, you know, not like something or disagree with something. It has to be the worst thing ever, or a deliberate attempt to annoy/insult/rip off the complainer.

Just dial the angst down a few notches, is all I'm suggesting. You'll likely enjoy your hobby a damn sight more.

I very much agree with the sentiment of this post. Anyone who treats the actions of a global, multi million turnover business as a personal insult or provocation needs more help than this forum can likely provide.

 xttz wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Insaniak, I'd have more of a problem if you WEREN'T invested in what you invested a lot of time and money into. They can be dead wrong, but taking it seriously is a far cry from a crime.

There's being invested, and there's being personally insulted that things aren't going the way you want them...

Nor did I say that it was a 'crime'. Seriously, folks, I love hyperbole as much as the next 14 billion people, but this is where a large amount of the toxicity comes from in internet fandom. It's never enough for someone to just, you know, not like something or disagree with something. It has to be the worst thing ever, or a deliberate attempt to annoy/insult/rip off the complainer.

Just dial the angst down a few notches, is all I'm suggesting. You'll likely enjoy your hobby a damn sight more.

I very much agree with the sentiment of this post. Anyone who treats the actions of a global, multi million turnover business as a personal insult or provocation needs more help than this forum can likely provide.

I want to be very clear. There's a difference between taking something seriously, and taking offence. You don't have to take offence to be angry or disappointed.

beast_gts wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

Re-watching the stream it's not mentioned (except to convert him for use in your Eldar army). I'm wondering what the fluff 'update' for Ephrael Stern being included in any Imperial force is, given she ends the comics being hunted by the Inquisition (although it'll probably be something along the same lines as Cypher, as others have mentioned)..

Keep in mind that due to the divided nature of the Inquisition, someone can be on their hunt list while also still being in good standing elsewhere in the Imperium. The Eisenhorn books have a good example of this, with a puritan Inquisitor hunting Eisenhorn to censure him for witchcraft even while he was still an Inquisitor in good standing with the Ordo.

Yes, but it's enough of the Inquisition that she's got Grey Knights, Arbites & Assassins after her. Of course, that was now a few hundred-ish years ago...

I haven't read the Daemonifuge series - though I'm looking forwards to picking up this collected edition - but what's the timeframe it is set within? Was it 999.M41, or earlier?

Welp just preordered the Daemon Feuge book, still have my copies from... 2000? But now it'll be in color.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Welp just preordered the Daemon Feuge book, still have my copies from... 2000? But now it'll be in color.

Through what kind of dark twisted magics have you managed to order something that isn't on sale anywhere that I can see? Esp when the only thing GW is selling are digital or Primaris?

Darsath wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Insaniak, I'd have more of a problem if you WEREN'T invested in what you invested a lot of time and money into. They can be dead wrong, but taking it seriously is a far cry from a crime.

There's being invested, and there's being personally insulted that things aren't going the way you want them...

Nor did I say that it was a 'crime'. Seriously, folks, I love hyperbole as much as the next 14 billion people, but this is where a large amount of the toxicity comes from in internet fandom. It's never enough for someone to just, you know, not like something or disagree with something. It has to be the worst thing ever, or a deliberate attempt to annoy/insult/rip off the complainer.

Just dial the angst down a few notches, is all I'm suggesting. You'll likely enjoy your hobby a damn sight more.

I very much agree with the sentiment of this post. Anyone who treats the actions of a global, multi million turnover business as a personal insult or provocation needs more help than this forum can likely provide.

I want to be very clear. There's a difference between taking something seriously, and taking offence. You don't have to take offence to be angry or disappointed.

I could argue that being “disappointed” is a perfectly understandable reaction to a GW preview, however being “angry” is just weird and slightly worrying.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

I could argue that being “disappointed” is a perfectly understandable reaction to a GW preview, however being “angry” is just weird and slightly worrying.

they are the same thing.

The common emotional responses to disappointment tend to be a) sadness, b) apathy and/or c) anger, with anger being the most common.