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Ok. Then its a no-brainer. Time to modify. Thinking of shoulder-mounting Valkyrie missile pods in place of the railguns on my old ones.

Yup, its right in the entry:

Page 103 broadside, 3 bullet:
Any broadside shas'ui or shas'vre may exchange his twin-linked heavy rail rifle for a twin-linked high yield missile pod......................free

so 4 Broadsides vs front armour of a dragon is 16 TL S7 shots, 12 hit, 2 glances, 2 pens, odds are in the broadsides favour that he wont roll 2 5++s.


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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/518557.page#5468652

 Ravenous D wrote:
Yup, its right in the entry:

Page 103 broadside, 3 bullet:
Any broadside shas'ui or shas'vre may exchange his twin-linked heavy rail rifle for a twin-linked high yield missile pod......................free

so 4 Broadsides vs front armour of a dragon is 16 TL S7 shots, 12 hit, 2 glances, 2 pens, odds are in the broadsides favour that he wont roll 2 5++s.


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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/518557.page#5468652

Awesome, then it really is a no brainer choice over the HRR. Pity the HRR model looks so much cooler though.

Just got my Codex and goodies by courier

im loving it so far...codex looks really nice

AmCjkh wrote:


Awesome, then it really is a no brainer choice over the HRR. Pity the HRR model looks so much cooler though.

Pretty much, there is almost no reason to take heavy rail rifles at all. Even against av 13 its better to take HYM, ran the numbers and its 6 missilesides vs 12 riflesides.

Interesting though, Glad to see the BSF and Multitracker come stock on suits

though the wording on bomb regeneration leaves me wondering...2+ for new one, but on a roll of 1 no more can be made
fair enough though, we still get more bombs than most flyers assuming one doesn't have bad luck from the get go.

Hans_Einberg wrote:
Interesting though, Glad to see the BSF and Multitracker come stock on suits

though the wording on bomb regeneration leaves me wondering...2+ for new one, but on a roll of 1 no more can be made
fair enough though, we still get more bombs than most flyers assuming one doesn't have bad luck from the get go.

From what I saw, it was just that turn, wasn't it? So like, it comes with it's huge stock of bombs, but if it fails it can just try again next turn.

 Ravenous D wrote:

AmCjkh wrote:


Awesome, then it really is a no brainer choice over the HRR. Pity the HRR model looks so much cooler though.

Pretty much, there is almost no reason to take heavy rail rifles at all. Even against av 13 its better to take HYM, ran the numbers and its 6 missilesides vs 12 riflesides.

The thing is that heavy rail rifles will outrange those high yield missile pods by quite a bit, I wouldn't call 24" more range negligible.

Well your average board length is only about 72 inches, take the average 12" deployment (or more depending on deployment, and you can ensure that your suits can usually always be striking at what you're aiming. 48 inches isn't hard to negotiate around. (Assuming both parties take up the full 12, as pretty much everyone but Tau will.)

Playing on other board types of course then you'd need to take these things into consideration. The biggest thing here is just volume of fire sent out. If you're not facing a heavy pointed average t4 army, then # of wounds usually == greater results. If you're countering another Tau force or something, then by all means, mass railsides and start eating crisis suits whenever possible. Still, your average result will probably be >> with the missiles.

 taudau wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

AmCjkh wrote:


Awesome, then it really is a no brainer choice over the HRR. Pity the HRR model looks so much cooler though.

Pretty much, there is almost no reason to take heavy rail rifles at all. Even against av 13 its better to take HYM, ran the numbers and its 6 missilesides vs 12 riflesides.

The thing is that heavy rail rifles will outrange those high yield missile pods by quite a bit, I wouldn't call 24" more range negligible.

High yields are 36"

Derp. Found my answer, never mind.

Anbutou wrote:

Hans_Einberg wrote:
Interesting though, Glad to see the BSF and Multitracker come stock on suits

though the wording on bomb regeneration leaves me wondering...2+ for new one, but on a roll of 1 no more can be made
fair enough though, we still get more bombs than most flyers assuming one doesn't have bad luck from the get go.

From what I saw, it was just that turn, wasn't it? So like, it comes with it's huge stock of bombs, but if it fails it can just try again next turn.

I checked again...your supposed to make your roll after you drop the bomb, and it says specifically no more bombs can be created on a 1....so assuming you have no more bombs left you cannot drop them and thus cannot make the roll....hopefully this will be clarified by someone else or maybe even a FAQ

Killing Heldrakes with hull point spam is all fine and dandy, but a Railside is almost 50% more likely to outright destroy the Heldrake per shot. Bearing in mind that the Heldrake can regenerate Hull Points, the choice might not be so clear-cut after all.

Wow... the xv8-05 gives +1 toughness, 2+ save and 5 hardpoints.

That... is... obscene.

Twin Plasma, some other weapon, Shield Generator, Drone Controller and Shield Drones will do nicely.

Is the fnp item special issue?

no, standard item for 15pts

There are conflicting reports about Seekers but one report states that the Seeker can be fired by its platform as if it were a standard weapon

You need 1 marker light hit per missile, and you expend it for shooting (so, if you hit with 3 marker lights and therefore get 3 marker light counters on your target you can for example use them to shoot 1 seeker missile and remove the cover save for that said seeker missile) and although seekers don't require LOS and have BS5 the vehicle can't then shoot any other target else with other weapons.

 Therion wrote:

There are conflicting reports about Seekers but one report states that the Seeker can be fired by its platform as if it were a standard weapon

No there aren't. The Seeker entry is pretty clear, I'm sorry. You need 1 marker light hit per missile, and you expend it for shooting (so, if you hit with 3 marker lights and therefore get 3 marker light counters on your target you can for example use them to shoot 1 seeker missile and remove the cover save for that said seeker missile) and although seekers don't require LOS and have BS5 the vehicle can't then target anything else with other weapons.

I think there is a big difference between the Marker Light Seeker Entry your taling about and the Seeker missile itself having a weapon profile and therefore can be shot just like any other weapon.

 SonicPara wrote:

Chrysis wrote:
Pretty sure you expend the counters, so there's no way it could stack all those effects on two markerlight hits.

There are conflicting reports about Seekers but one report states that the Seeker can be fired by its platform as if it were a standard weapon, without Markerlight guidance. It loses the BS5 and other benefits it would usually gain but, in the case of the Sky Ray, "dumb-firing" the missiles may be a great thing.

As previously suggested, you fire the Networked Markerlights at the flyer with a 75% chance to hit. You then "dumb-fire" as many missiles as you like (assuming the Sky Ray did not move of course) and use whatever Markerlight hits you got to buff the entire salvo. This would make firing six missiles at either BS5 or BS4 with ignoring cover possible.

However, this tactic requires Skyray not to move. Enemy flyers of course attempt to destroy Skyray first. Plus, Markerlight has just 36" range.

High-yield missile pod is definitely not twin-linked in the Spanish codex, must of been a translation error.

If they are TL then that's great, but on a pen' the Railgun is blowing things up on a 4+.

Plus, it looks way cooler!

Edit: it definitely is twin-linked, it even says so on GW's website

If i recall, you can put the interceptor support system on the interceptor flyer right? That plus 2 skyfire/interceptor Bsides with rails will do me for anti-air.

Anyone else looked at sniper drones and thought OMG with the new markerlight rules? For the points, they are perfect TEQ killers being BS5, S6 and AP1.

A rough ballpark list for 1500 (could be wildly over)...

Cadre Fireblade
2 riptides (unsure on loadout, possibly ion+fusion)
2x 10 pathfinders (may drop to 8, wait and see on that)
1 Interceptor w/interceptor upgrade
sniper team w/ 6 extra drones
2x 2/3 broadsides (1 sqd anti-flyer upgrades)
around 4-5x 10 firewarriors.

gives me 2-4 skyfire/interceptor models, enough AP1 to kill anything i point at and enough firewarriors to form a box of unassaultable death.

Quick question for those in the know, railrifles are rapidfire 36" right?

jamin p wrote:
Anyone else looked at sniper drones and thought OMG with the new markerlight rules? For the points, they are perfect TEQ killers being BS5, S6 and AP1.

Sniper Drones have changed, they now have Longshot Pulse Rifles: 48" SX AP5 Sniper, Rapid Fire.

It's still two shots at 24" with a chance of rending, they look decent for the points.

 lordofthegophers wrote:

jamin p wrote:
Anyone else looked at sniper drones and thought OMG with the new markerlight rules? For the points, they are perfect TEQ killers being BS5, S6 and AP1.

Sniper Drones have changed, they now have Longshot Pulse Rifles: 48" SX AP5 Sniper, Rapid Fire.

It's still two shots at 24" with a chance of rending, they look decent for the points.

That's awesome. It like a better Deathmark rifle.

Seekers are broken if they dont FAQ them to fire seperate from the vehicle. All other codex versions had the skyray as only vehicle able to control its seeker missiles. i hope they fix this.

 McNinja wrote:

 lordofthegophers wrote:

jamin p wrote:
Anyone else looked at sniper drones and thought OMG with the new markerlight rules? For the points, they are perfect TEQ killers being BS5, S6 and AP1.

Sniper Drones have changed, they now have Longshot Pulse Rifles: 48" SX AP5 Sniper, Rapid Fire.

It's still two shots at 24" with a chance of rending, they look decent for the points.

That's awesome. It like a better Deathmark rifle.

and hitting on 2+

Sniper drones don't have the rail rifle anymore, they have the pulse sniper thingie (dunno how it goes in english)

 McNinja wrote:

 lordofthegophers wrote:


Sniper Drones have changed, they now have Longshot Pulse Rifles: 48" SX AP5 Sniper, Rapid Fire.

It's still two shots at 24" with a chance of rending, they look decent for the points.

That's awesome. It like a better Deathmark rifle.

However, will anyone take them? Heavy Support still seems extremely crowded. You're going to need Broadsides, you're going to need Railheads (you may even need Sky Ray if you're really paranoid about air threat). What slot do they fill in?

Fact is that other units in other FOC slots can do same job Sniper Drones do. Broadside & Hammerhead, by contrast, seem as irreplaceable as ever, despite their nerfing.

 lordofthegophers wrote:

jamin p wrote:
Anyone else looked at sniper drones and thought OMG with the new markerlight rules? For the points, they are perfect TEQ killers being BS5, S6 and AP1.

Sniper Drones have changed, they now have Longshot Pulse Rifles: 48" SX AP5 Sniper, Rapid Fire.

It's still two shots at 24" with a chance of rending, they look decent for the points.

Maybe not then lol. Still viable as a unit i'm sure in certain builds or against certain lists such as MC spam but probably not what i'm looking for. Deffo swap these out for some TEQ killing stuff now then, most likely *sigh* crisis suits as with any other list.

Backfire wrote:

 McNinja wrote:

 lordofthegophers wrote:


Sniper Drones have changed, they now have Longshot Pulse Rifles: 48" SX AP5 Sniper, Rapid Fire.

It's still two shots at 24" with a chance of rending, they look decent for the points.

That's awesome. It like a better Deathmark rifle.

However, will anyone take them? Heavy Support still seems extremely crowded. You're going to need Broadsides, you're going to need Railheads (you may even need Sky Ray if you're really paranoid about air threat). What slot do they fill in?

Fact is that other units in other FOC slots can do same job Sniper Drones do. Broadside & Hammerhead, by contrast, seem as irreplaceable as ever, despite their nerfing.

Completely agree with this. Plus if you want snipers, you have Kroot at 7 pts a pop. Taking two squads of 20 doesn't cost you many points, and will give you tons of chances to get rending compared to the 3 (or 6 at 24") shots.

Puscifer wrote:

Twin Plasma, some other weapon, Shield Generator, Drone Controller and Shield Drones will do nicely.

Just an FYI, a done controller means gun, shield and marker drones can use the users BS. So you don't really need it for SDs, feel free to have your Stim Injector

I think they actually made sniper drones worse. Yeah, it's BS5, but it's also in our only slot for reliable ranged anti-tank weaponry. It's even more vital not to crowd those slots, and I can't imagine sniper rifles having a place in it. I would have considered it if they stuck with rail rifles, or maybe sticking them in a slot that doesn't limit my options for anti-tank and anti-air.

Seriously though, does any other army have sniper rifles in their heavy support slot? I think my biggest complaint for this codex is they fixed so little of the old problems. Kroot suck in combat, Vespid are out shined by everything else, suits are the pinnacle of a shooting army but terrible shots, markerlights are almost required, markerlights don't help the squad, limited troop options, lack of a decent transport, markerlights are heavy weapons on a unit that is supposed to be mobile, and seeker missiles are too silly to really take seriously.