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I've seen alot of negitivity towards finecast but some very poisitive thinkers as well just wondering what dakka thinks as a whole. Please post why you said what you did.

I've never used it but I to don't understand the negativity towards it. I would like to see reasons for hate. ( For a second you're avatar made me think you were killakavekommando)

yes there are some bad bits (mainly bubbles, missing pieces etc etc) but the good outweighs the bad.

I prefer finecast over the old metal models for the main reason that i HATED painting over whatever craptastic metal that GW used, i constantly find chips of paint coming of my old metal models even if they have been primed (finally picked up that purity seal stuff and that has stopped the chipping to my knowledge)

edit: spelling

There's no single answer to that question that I can just tick on a poll.

As I've said elsewhere, I love the idea of GW using resin instead of tin. But the spotty execution of it so far gives me zero interest in throwing money at it.

So until GW show that they have ironed out the issues with it, I won't be buying it regardless of how much I like the idea. Far less stressful to just convert what I want out of plastic or from other miniature ranges.

Neutral opinion.

I like the idea of switching to resin from metal - mainly because I built two metal Penitent Engines and ended up using copious amounts of greenstuff on the joins between parts to make them stick, so they look pretty terrible even with primer on them. I'd prefer switching to plastics, but the one Finecast mini I have - two if you count his Grot Orderly - went together just fine with only a small dab of superglue and a few seconds of moderate pressure. Also, my personal preference is for lighter miniatures, as I get less worried about them getting damaged when being moved than I do my metal ones - carrying my Penitent Engines or Exorcist from their spots to the game room always gives me a little anxiety, and I just KNOW I'm gonna drop one some day, see it shatter, and be very sad.

On the other hand, all the defects I keep reading about, that's really prevented me from trying more Finecast minis. Fortunately, I have a large enough selection of miniatures that I haven't really needed to get more Finecast minis yet, as the army updates since Finecast's release have been for armies I don't play, with the exception of Sisters of Battle, who didn't get any Finecast minis with their update - I feel an urge to mention that I do remember we got no new minis at all, in case someone tries to remind me. The price increase that came with Finecast also soured me a bit.

Once the defects really stop happening, then my opinion will probably go upwards from neutral, probably one or two steps - but it'll NEVER be better than sliced bread! I'm terrible at slicing my own bread. Cheese too.

Resin is an excellent medium for miniature making, and when done correctly holds many benefits over metal, so much so that I actually prefer resin over metal.

Finecast is not done correctly.

A decent sculpt with no errors isn't bad, and the material is easily convertible, if a bit eady to damage.

Unfortunately, miscasts seem to be awfully common. If they solve that issue i'd be more enthused.

I will also miss the solid feel of metal models, but i have a bunch of them in my armies already if i get nostalgic...

The only thing I really liked about metal models was the weight. I found them to be incredibly annoying to glue together, and would chip paint alot if they hit anything.

That said some minor problems with fincast makes me mildly dislike them. That and their price.

I prefer finecast to metal models. However the price of fimecast kills me!

I've bought 2 finecast minis (Casket of the souls and a lich priest)

Both were defeat free.

I'm mostly just mad at the price increase really.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Resin is an excellent medium for miniature making, and when done correctly holds many benefits over metal, so much so that I actually prefer resin over metal.

Finecast is not done correctly.

This is pretty much how I feel. If GW could get some decent quality control on Finecast, I'm sure I would enjoy buying it more often, instead of feeling like it's always a gamble.

It's ok but the mismoulds make me dislike it.

Mild dislike here. I prefer resin to metal but all of my finecast models have been mis-cast. Most everything has been a simple fix, other than the end of my Necron Lord's staff - which i've yet to resolve.

I've purchased some finecast, i've got a Tomb Kings...err Tomb King, and some howling banshees and fire dragons.

The tomb king was fine not an issue at all, the banshees i had to swap right away as the exarch had a massive bubble where half the backpack should have been, the fire dragons were ok but still lots of little bubbles which i can deal with with green stuff.

I've got a mild dislike for it for the miscasts reason alone, yes GW does exchange the models if there are reasons and let the manufacturing arm know about it, but they should have as a multinational company been able to have the process down pat before release so that there shouldn't be any issues with their product.

I've bought 5 finecast models, and received one as a gift, since its introduction. 2 Zoanthropes, 2 Hive Guard, a Venomthrope and a Varghulf.

The Zoanthropes and Hive Guard were perfect. Couldn't want for better models. I did have a slight issue with the Zoanthrope bending at the joint where the tail meets the capillary tower, but that joint is so narrow any resin would bend there.

The Venomthrope and Varghulf were miscast. The Venomthrope I fixed myself - I wanted the practice, and most of it involved filling gaps where the chimneys in the armour that were separate left large seams. I phoned GW about the Varghulf and am getting a replacement.

EVen with having 33% of my Finecast models miscast (I hate putting a percentage on such a small quantity), I wouldn't want those models to be metal. I don't care about GW hyping up the detail - I haven't seen any conclusive evidence they're correct. There's far better benefits in ease of assembly, weight and ease of conversion.

The metal Zoanthropes needed pinning, as well as hefty weght added to the base so they won't toppled over during a game. My Zoanthropes can sit on a 45 degree hill - I've done it in a game. The metal Hive Guard and Venomthrope needed heavy pinning and green stuff reinforcing to get their arms to lock into place so they wouldn't fall apart during a game.

For ease of conversion, the resin is soft enough that a knife will easily cut through it. This means if you want to do a head swap, you don't need to do awkward clipping, sawing, and repairing to the neck area of a complex model. If you want to resculpt something onto a model, 2 minutes with a knife will see the old detail carved off neatly rather than filing. I still haven't seen the softness of the resin be a hindrance for durability outside of the usual issues you get with resin like heat warping.

That said, the miscasts need to be sorted out. While I love the material and working with it, I shouldn't be holding my breath hoping for a good cast when I open a package. I shouldn't have 33% of the models I've bought need returning.

-Loki- wrote:I've bought 5 finecast models, and received one as a gift, since its introduction. 2 Zoanthropes, 2 Hive Guard, a Venomthrope and a Varghulf.

The Zoanthropes and Hive Guard were perfect. Couldn't want for better models. I did have a slight issue with the Zoanthrope bending at the joint where the tail meets the capillary tower, but that joint is so narrow any resin would bend there.

The Venomthrope and Varghulf were miscast. The Venomthrope I fixed myself - I wanted the practice, and most of it involved filling gaps where the chimneys in the armour that were separate left large seams. I phoned GW about the Varghulf and am getting a replacement.

EVen with having 33% of my Finecast models miscast (I hate putting a percentage on such a small quantity), I wouldn't want those models to be metal. I don't care about GW hyping up the detail - I haven't seen any conclusive evidence they're correct. There's far better benefits in ease of assembly, weight and ease of conversion.

The metal Zoanthropes needed pinning, as well as hefty weght added to the base so they won't toppled over during a game. My Zoanthropes can sit on a 45 degree hill - I've done it in a game. The metal Hive Guard and Venomthrope needed heavy pinning and green stuff reinforcing to get their arms to lock into place so they wouldn't fall apart during a game.

For ease of conversion, the resin is soft enough that a knife will easily cut through it. This means if you want to do a head swap, you don't need to do awkward clipping, sawing, and repairing to the neck area of a complex model. If you want to resculpt something onto a model, 2 minutes with a knife will see the old detail carved off neatly rather than filing. I still haven't seen the softness of the resin be a hindrance for durability outside of the usual issues you get with resin like heat warping.

That said, the miscasts need to be sorted out. While I love the material and working with it, I shouldn't be holding my breath hoping for a good cast when I open a package. I shouldn't have 33% of the models I've bought need returning.

So I DON'T need to worry about my Painboy breaking when I use him in a game?

Good to know. ^_^ Cause I'll tell ya, my fingers were on eggshells with him when I was assembling him. Always felt like I was going to snap him apart.

On the other hand, some things I've tried to assemble HAVE snapped apart from too much pressure being applied. Warcraft figurines' weapons, War Walker parts, and probably tons of other things. I can be rough on my minis sometimes. Do you think miniatures feel pain?

I wouldn't stop being careful with finecast models. I know I will be with my Venomthrope when it's all put together. Those tentacles are quite thin.

-Loki- wrote:I wouldn't stop being careful with finecast models. I know I will be with my Venomthrope when it's all put together. Those tentacles are quite thin.

:: nodnod :: Okies then. ^_^

Large improvement! I hated assembling and painting metal models. I found it hard to see some of the details for painting, and assembly was just a pain with all the drilling and pinning.

I have bought 10 finecast models now, and only had a slight issue with a Farseers head being squashed, which GW replaced for me with no problem.

Finecast gets a thumbs up from me.

Supportive opinion: Only bought one model to my voice might not count for much... What i can bring to the table is being an Ork Enthusiastic Git i often am fond of extra bits on my pieces (tastefully i might add, i'm not your gamer kid who has a screw driver attached) I really dislike pewter/metal pieces back in the day cause i could never get my paint to not chip till i found dull coat... even then it eventually willl happen. The big annoyance for me with Pewter was the freaking construction. Listening to advice like scoring the edges, pinning the bits and using super glue accelerants got to the point where I pulled glue off my blood fingers and thought " why isn't this easier?!"

When i bought Ghazghul Tharaka I saw how simple it was to build him and how light he was... no more tipping over no more limbs flying off from an accidental drop! I will say that his bosspole is frail is snapped once on me but it was more my fault and was very easily fixed. When primed paint stuck to him like a charm and the piece was very clean and finely made. No one in my gaming store has had an issue but we hear the store owner talk about problems with it more from forums like this than his stock. I think the mixture is very optimal for gamers. It's much tougher and resilent than resin... (Shudders at his goblin sponsons which snaps as he was clipping them off spure from FW)

It bends just enough to aborb shocks and is so light! I remember my old pewter meganobs when dropped would shatter into bits despite pinning and normally i permanetly damaged bosspoles or destroyed them beyond repair. Ghazzy since he'd been painted has slipped out of people's hands 4 times and no damage or chipping to speak of yet. Personally the price really sucks but then again I'll take it for a better model that doesn't have mold grow on it with ruins painting, or weighted strangely or with all the annoying flash of pewter.

I give it a

I liked the weight of metal models, but they kept chipping which was pretty annoying. Finecast is good in this capacity, but there are problems like bubbles, general mutation and the fact that the actual components break easier (however I have only had one Finecast model, the Emperor's Champion, so any judgement I make on Finecast is based on this model alone. It had a bubble in one of it's eye holes and its left shoulder pad was split in two, with one part elevated over the other). The detail that wasn't warped was an improvement of the metal though.

I like Finecast because I hate metal with the white hot incandescent rage of 10,000 suns.

hate it, i just love the metal models so much better

Bettter than metal, but the quality control problems are horrible on some models. I've only bought a few, and been lucky, but I've seen pics of Incubi that aren't even going to be useful for bitz.

Plus side is that GW has very solid customer support when it comes to replacing bad models.

I put mild dislike. While I love the switch from metal to resin (god knows I hate metal ... 12x old Necron wraiths, 3x zoanthropes , 3x hiveguard and 2x venomthropes and lastly a hive tyrant.... So I've put my fair share of difficult metal models together), I have to say I mildly hate the brand "finecast." If it were forgeworld quality resin, I'd be kicking my heels in joy, but it's not.

So mild dislike due to irritation from the finecast brand itself , but I support the change of materials

The idea of using resin instead of pewter is ok. But GW is so god damn sloppy with it. I got a Thraka model thinking it wont be bad because he's basically a box with arms.

I disliked the finecast, I like the idea of it and the options it could open for us as modelers but the quality is just such a non event! both finecast products i bought were very very poor and the amount of cleaning and filing I had to do for them to look presentable was way too much for the price that they are being sold at, I would have expected much better from them, I appreciate if it's not right they will replace the model, but I would much rather have a decent cast mini with minimal mold lines and flash and all the parts included with no air bubbles or monsterous gaps and holes, I sincerely hope they improve soon, good attempt but bad decicions on GW part.

Nerdfest09

oringally I thought they were bad but I got sicrus for x-mas and the only air bubbles were tich that you would only see them if you looked closely but when they were first reliced they were rubbish mold wise.

I dislike Finecast, just because the quality isn't there, and I've never really had any trouble with the old pewter models. I've also found that glue works perfectly fine on them, so I've never needed to bother with greenstuff. And I honestly prefer the weight for some strange reason.

I think a large part of my disdain comes from the promise of what could have been, and just wasn't. This is also in comparison to recently picking up some Warmachine, which seems to make very cool models that require almost no effort in assembly. Maybe I just wish GW would replicate Privateer Press' casting methods.