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Hi All

In a thread I started in you make da call, one of the posters started the replies to take on a seriously interesting route if slightly off topic for the forum! So I thought maybe here would be better!

Out of the many characters in 40k who would you like to see go into a duel? And also who do you think would come out of it better? If at all?!
We got onto Horus vs Draigo!

Cheers
Andy

Please don't even suggest that Draigo is as powerful as the emperor Horus was a very powerful fellow !
How about and emperors champion fighting say...a necron lord destroyer? Both are told to be the perfect killing machines (quite literally with the lord destroyer) now that would be interesting

Draigo would (and should ) get his face punched in by all of the primarchs. Even along the primarchs, Horus was one of the strongest, so no way some chapter master with delusions of grandeur would beat him.

The original mentioned Abbadon vs. Crowe would be much more interesting.

I'd like to see Kharn vs Ragnar.

Jidmah wrote:Draigo would (and should ) get his face punched in by all of the primarchs. Even along the primarchs, Horus was one of the strongest, so no way some chapter master with delusions of grandeur would beat him.

I remember a piece of fluff about Draigo carving his name into a demon primarch no? Though that's utter nonesense and the biggest piece of in the entire history of fluff.

Fire warrior x1 vs guardsman x1 vs eldar guardian x1 vs a grot in a 4 way free for all melee.

Alternatively, Repentia vs repentia fist fight in a pool of scented oils.... oh wait... what? Of course I don't know what is a slanesh.

Guardian all the way in that one imho.

Ratius wrote:Guardian all the way in that one imho.

I think the grot will win because he'll just hide till the end and kill w/e is left standing and wounded

Mephiston vs Anyone

funkyh wrote:Mephiston vs Anyone

See this thread for the full list of characters that are thought to beat Mephiston: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/419229.page

On another note, Eldrad vs Draigo, although I think that Draigo would probably win.

I'd say 10,000 grots vs draigo should easily result in an overwheling grot victory.

On the flip side, draigo by game rules would beat eldrad pretty bad I think what with psychout grenades, and special nemesis force sword that hits at str 10 vs psykers

Farsight vs Shadowsun. Nuff said (yes, i was in the "Tau Boobs" thread before checking this thread).

Alternatively:
Marbo and Snikrot teaming up against the whole gang of Space Marine heroes (including the characters of C:SM, BA, SW, DA and BT).

sudojoe wrote:I'd say 10,000 grots vs draigo should easily result in an overwheling grot victory.

On the flip side, draigo by game rules would beat eldrad pretty bad I think what with psychout grenades, and special nemesis force sword that hits at str 10 vs psykers

Both true, I was thinking more fluff wise for the Eldrad/Draigo thing though. I only just discovered that Eldrad beat Abaddon in the fluff.

Ahriman vs. Tigurius...the mightiest Librarian in 40k against the greatest of Sorcerers (but not the greatest of the Thousand Sons, that goes to the loyalists of the Fourth Fellowship in Age of Darkness: Rebirth).

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Draigo would (and should ) get his face punched in by all of the primarchs. Even along the primarchs, Horus was one of the strongest, so no way some chapter master with delusions of grandeur would beat him.

I remember a piece of fluff about Draigo carving his name into a demon primarch no? Though that's utter nonesense and the biggest piece of in the entire history of fluff.

Why not.

The much revered Lost and the Damned book notes fairly explictly that the Emperor had saved Horus's life at the siege of Reillis as they fought back to back (against an unnamed foe). At another battle, Horus repaid this debt when he hacked the arm off a frenzied Ork as it tried to choke the life out of the Emperor. Later on Davin, Horus was felled and mortally wounded by a Chaos Cultist.

Both the Emperor in his prime, as well as Horus were mortal and potentially defeatable by mere Orks and Cultists. By extension, your average Eldar Warrior, IG Guardsman, Cultists, and even more so your average Space Marine grunt, much less a Chapter Master may well have a fair shot at beating/killing either of them as well. I see no discrepancy in a story of Draigo (or Tac Marine 017) triumphing over a primarch. The outcome of battles or duals is not predetermined in 40K. Arguably less so in the fluff than in the game.

Zweischneid wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Draigo would (and should ) get his face punched in by all of the primarchs. Even along the primarchs, Horus was one of the strongest, so no way some chapter master with delusions of grandeur would beat him.

I remember a piece of fluff about Draigo carving his name into a demon primarch no? Though that's utter nonesense and the biggest piece of in the entire history of fluff.

Why not.

The much revered Lost and the Damned book notes fairly explictly that the Emperor had saved Horus's life at the siege of Reillis as they fought back to back (against an unnamed foe). At another battle, Horus repaid this debt when he hacked the arm off a frenzied Ork as it tried to choke the life out of the Emperor. Later on Davin, Horus was felled and mortally wounded by a Chaos Cultist.

Both the Emperor in his prime, as well as Horus were mortal and potentially defeatable by mere Orks and Cultists. By extension, your average Eldar Warrior, IG Guardsman, Cultists, and even more so your average Space Marine grunt, much less a Chapter Master may well have a fair shot at beating/killing either of them as well. I see no discrepancy in a story of Draigo (or Tac Marine 017) triumphing over a primarch. The outcome of battles or duals is not predetermined in 40K. Arguably less so in the fluff than in the game.

Maybe, but we're talking about a DEMON primarch here. Augmented, enhanced beyond mortal comprehension by immortal powers. And the fight was also in the warp...

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Maybe, but we're talking about a DEMON primarch here. Augmented, enhanced beyond mortal comprehension by immortal powers. And the fight was also in the warp...

And? We are also talking about a DEMON-HUNTER Chapter Master here. Driven by strenght of faith, conviction and dedication beyond the comprehension of those very same immortal powers and their lackeys, whose eternal weakness has always been their weak-willed corruptability.

And yes, it was in the warp. What shalls? If a being from the warp can win a fight in real-space, why shouldn't a being from real-space win a fight in the warp? If both sides were invincible on their home-turf, there'd be preciously little conflict and the entirety of chaos wouldn't be a threat in the first place.

What character would be a good match-up for the Swarmlord?

I'd imagine Farsight or some other character that can match him in size.

Zweischneid wrote:

Lord Rogukiel wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Draigo would (and should ) get his face punched in by all of the primarchs. Even along the primarchs, Horus was one of the strongest, so no way some chapter master with delusions of grandeur would beat him.

I remember a piece of fluff about Draigo carving his name into a demon primarch no? Though that's utter nonesense and the biggest piece of in the entire history of fluff.

Why not.

The much revered Lost and the Damned book notes fairly explictly that the Emperor had saved Horus's life at the siege of Reillis as they fought back to back (against an unnamed foe). At another battle, Horus repaid this debt when he hacked the arm off a frenzied Ork as it tried to choke the life out of the Emperor. Later on Davin, Horus was felled and mortally wounded by a Chaos Cultist.

Both the Emperor in his prime, as well as Horus were mortal and potentially defeatable by mere Orks and Cultists. By extension, your average Eldar Warrior, IG Guardsman, Cultists, and even more so your average Space Marine grunt, much less a Chapter Master may well have a fair shot at beating/killing either of them as well. I see no discrepancy in a story of Draigo (or Tac Marine 017) triumphing over a primarch. The outcome of battles or duals is not predetermined in 40K. Arguably less so in the fluff than in the game.

As I recall, that "mere chaos cultist" also happened to be possessed by a Great Unclean One and carrying an incredibly deadly chaos-tainted weapon...

I have to totally agree with the fact that the deamon did happen to be a genetic son of the Emporer turned very very very very bad indeed with powers beyond the norm! I think that the Draigo fluff is insanely OTT!

The outcome should have been Draigo being sent back to the GKs in a matchbox wearing a dunce's cap for good measure!

I like the Snikrot and Marbo double team!!!! They most probably be able to sneak into the Golden Palace, all the way to the Golden Throne and leave a "kick me" sign on the back of whats left of the Emporer!!! LOL

I would also have to ask about Mephiston Vs anyone?! He's not that hard is he?!?!?! Just got over a slight rage and that was it?!?!?!