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2012/01/08 07:30:20
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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The title says everything. So, I assume they know a fair amount considering they have the Grey Knights and stuff, but I'd like specifics. Do they know about the power struggles between Tzeentch and Nurgle, how Slaanesh is the youngest God, that Nurgle abducted Isha or other details like that? Thanks.
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2012/01/08 08:12:10
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Apparently, the Archives do contain that information, just that non Ordo Xenos personnel don't really care or need it.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/08 08:17:01
Subject: Re:How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Regular Dakkanaut
A random ditch next to a zoo (self imposed exile)
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It's my understanding that the Inquisition has files pertaining to Eldar legends regarding Isha, Vaul and what have you (the old Necron Codex has pages on that I believe) and that the Grey Knights are aware of the dynamics of the chaos Pantheon (they have to be in order to be able to effectively combat Chaos).
Also, I don't think that the Imperium in general like your average Joe Bloggs knows anything about Chaos, including the name of the gods, it would earn them a bolt sandwich if they did.
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2012/01/08 08:23:18
Subject: Re:How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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With Chaos..ignorance is sometimes, much much safer
And all the Ordo Mallus needs to know is where...they...are....
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2012/01/08 20:55:48
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Depends on the organization within the Imperium. The Ordo Malleus probably knows rather a lot, and Inquisitor Czevak got into the Black Library so he's got a good idea of what's going on, but the average Guard grunt probably only knows "Chaos BAD. Run away."
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2012/01/08 20:57:17
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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AnomanderRake wrote:Depends on the organization within the Imperium. The Ordo Malleus probably knows rather a lot, and Inquisitor Czevak got into the Black Library so he's got a good idea of what's going on, but the average Guard grunt probably only knows "Chaos BAD. Run away."
more like fight. Because considering the Commissar would kill them instead.
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2012/01/08 22:43:18
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Beast of Nurgle
Where Cool Kids Fear To Tread
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Asherian Command wrote:AnomanderRake wrote:Depends on the organization within the Imperium. The Ordo Malleus probably knows rather a lot, and Inquisitor Czevak got into the Black Library so he's got a good idea of what's going on, but the average Guard grunt probably only knows "Chaos BAD. Run away."
more like fight. Because considering the Commissar would kill them instead.
maybe they should just run away tho, might be healthier for them Automatically Appended Next Post: So what I'm curious is since the Emperor lied about there not being real gods, did he directly know that was untrue? or was he just assuming because of the lack of information?
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2012/01/08 23:32:09
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Ordo Malleus knows quite a bit about Chaos and its machinations, I imagine they know almost as much as is given in the Codices, (save what the Fortress of Khorne, Garden of Nurgle, etc. is). However they alone hold that information.
Keep in mind that even mortal followers of Chaos are aware of the rivalries of their Gods. Indeed they often fight other Chaos worshipers as part of the Great Game. No way does this miss the Ordo Malleus.
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2012/01/08 23:33:55
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Not alone. The more studious and less puritanical Chapters probably know too.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/09 00:06:58
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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MartiniPunk wrote:Asherian Command wrote:AnomanderRake wrote:Depends on the organization within the Imperium. The Ordo Malleus probably knows rather a lot, and Inquisitor Czevak got into the Black Library so he's got a good idea of what's going on, but the average Guard grunt probably only knows "Chaos BAD. Run away."
more like fight. Because considering the Commissar would kill them instead.
maybe they should just run away tho, might be healthier for them
Automatically Appended Next Post:
So what I'm curious is since the Emperor lied about there not being real gods, did he directly know that was untrue? or was he just assuming because of the lack of information?
The Emperor most certainly knew. This was a bit of misinformation he created to keep people from becoming curious about the Chaos Gods and seeking to investigate or research them, because Chaos is a tricky, tricky thing, and one can find oneself inadvertently worshiping it or serving it when all one had, at the outset, was a scholarly interest. Then, of course, there's the real deviants who would have jumped into Chaos Worship with both feet.
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2012/01/09 03:23:11
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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Thanks for the indepth answers!
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2012/01/09 07:04:19
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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MartiniPunk wrote:So what I'm curious is since the Emperor lied about there not being real gods, did he directly know that was untrue? or was he just assuming because of the lack of information?
Depends on what you, and he, mean by 'gods'. The Ruinous powers sometimes fit the mold, sometimes not. Did he know there were things in the warp? Certainly. Perhaps he underestimated the power of such things though.
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2012/01/09 08:21:01
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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LoneLictor wrote:Do they know about the power struggles between Tzeentch and Nurgle.
Probably, but they don't care - all Chaos Gods are equal to them.
How Slaanesh is the youngest God, that Nurgle abducted Isha or other details like that? Thanks.
Only if they believe the Eldar, whitch is impossible giving how much Eldar lie to the Imperium.
And I am talking about the Inquisition, High Lords and some Space Marine chapters when i say "Imperium" here.
Other parts don't have clue about Chaso Gods and such.
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Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
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2012/01/09 08:57:58
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Dakka Veteran
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In the Dawn Of War games, the chaos lords always mention the names of the chaos gods; so wouldn't the guardsmen that hear the names at least wonder who the names are referring to?
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2012/01/09 13:52:05
Subject: How Much Does the Imperium know about Individual Daemons and Chaos Gods?
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Thrall Wizard of Tzeentch
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MartiniPunk wrote:Asherian Command wrote:AnomanderRake wrote:Depends on the organization within the Imperium. The Ordo Malleus probably knows rather a lot, and Inquisitor Czevak got into the Black Library so he's got a good idea of what's going on, but the average Guard grunt probably only knows "Chaos BAD. Run away."
more like fight. Because considering the Commissar would kill them instead.
maybe they should just run away tho, might be healthier for them
Automatically Appended Next Post:
So what I'm curious is since the Emperor lied about there not being real gods, did he directly know that was untrue? or was he just assuming because of the lack of information?
The Emperor knew. It was his whole plan:
1. Conquer the Whole Galaxy.
2. Turn all people away from worship, Thus cutting the powerflow to the Chaos Gods (think Craftworld Eldar).
3. Replace Warp Travel With webway Travel. Reducing human psykic presence in the warp.
4. Wait a few centuries, then kill them with his powers and absorb the energies to stop thyem from reforming. Enslave the Warp to humanity.
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