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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/10 19:03:57
Subject: Help with 1250pt Ork List
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Here is my current list for a tournament coming this weekend.
It is currently over by 135 Points and would like some advice on what you would cut...My current thought is the 3 DeffKoptas but let me know your Thoughts. The heavy Support BattleWagon is designed to haul 19 Shoota boyz and a mek around...
A few thoyughts on my meta...
Currently there is alot of heavy mech lists and a hugely overwhelming number of Space Marine Chapters that usually show/(around 3/4 id guess)
Tourney (1384pts)
1250pt Orks 5th Ed (2008) Roster (Standard)
Selections:
HQ (205pts)
Big Mek (105pts)
Burna (20pts), Kustom Force Field (50pts)
Warboss (100pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Bosspole (5pts), Power Klaw (25pts), Shoota/Scorcha Kombi-Weapon (5pts)
Troops (894pts)
Deff Dread (Troops) (105pts)
2x Kustom Mega-Blasta (30pts)
Nobz (Troops) (475pts)
Battlewagon (170pts)
Deff Rolla (20pts), Red Paint Job (5pts), 4x Rokkit Launcha (40pts), Zzap Gun (15pts)
Nob (25pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Choppa, Slugga
Nob (25pts)
Bosspole (5pts), Choppa, Slugga
Nob (45pts)
Power Klaw (25pts), Slugga
Nob (50pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Power Klaw (25pts), Slugga
Nob (30pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Bosspole (5pts), Choppa, Slugga
Nob (25pts)
Big Choppa (5pts), Slugga
Nob (30pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Big Choppa (5pts), Slugga
Nob (30pts)
Big Choppa (5pts), Twin-Linked Shoota (5pts)
Nob (25pts)
Choppa, Twin-Linked Shoota (5pts)
Nob (20pts)
Choppa, Slugga
Ork Boyz (114pts)
19x Boy (114pts)
19x Shootas
Ork Boyz (200pts)
30x Boy (180pts)
30x Slugga & Choppa
Nob (20pts)
Big Choppa (5pts), Bosspole (5pts)
Fast Attack (135pts)
Deffkoptas (45pts)
Deffkopta (45pts)
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha (10pts)
Deffkoptas (45pts)
Deffkopta (45pts)
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha (10pts)
Deffkoptas (45pts)
Deffkopta (45pts)
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha (10pts)
Heavy Support (150pts)
Battlewagon (150pts)
4x Big Shoota (20pts), Deff Rolla (20pts), Red Paint Job (5pts), Zzap Gun (15pts)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/10 19:41:06
Subject: Help with 1250pt Ork List
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Yellin' Yoof
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Take the boss pole of the Nob in the 30 man boys mob and make the units of koptas just 1 unit of 3. The nobs can just go in your Heavy support battle wagon you don't need 2.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/10 23:08:12
Subject: Help with 1250pt Ork List
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Shadow,
Although Orks are my primary army I don't claim to be an expert... far from it... BUT
I think there are several things that could be shaved and some things may help if added.
Your HQ:
I'd consider losing the burna on the BM.
Your Nob Battle Wagon:
That is one big target that a mech heavy army will pop first turn. I wouldn't count on it surviving past T3. As such it seems to be quite a point sink (4 rokits and a Zzap gun). Go cheaper.
Your Nobs:
I think that doom nobz kick butt. Generally I have trouble getting mine in the fight, but your BW will help with that. There may be some load out optimization there that could free up some points. Maybe removing a few nobz and adding a pain boy could be considered.
Your BW Boyz:
I'm undecided still on shootas vs sluggas. If you are going to assault with the BW boyz though, they need a Nob w/ a PK and BP in my opinion. Also, I think if they are going to be an assault by T2 type of crew, you might consider sluggas instead. Also this BW seems to be a point sink and a big target. Plan on losing it fast. As such consider shaving points here too.
Your footy Boyz:
I'd change the Big Choppa to a PK & BP from points scrounged elsewhere unless the warboss will be joining this mob.
DeffKoptas:
Keep as is or squad them. I think these are under utilized ork units because they get the cheapest and most accurate ranged anti tank for the greenskings.
DeffDreds:
I don't run them and have never seen them played so I can't help you there. KMB historically have been poo pooed though.
All just opinion from my limited experience. Hope you win!
Waaaaaagh!
Dr G Automatically Appended Next Post: Oh and welcome to Dakka Dakka.
DrG
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/11 01:09:27
Subject: Help with 1250pt Ork List
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Smokin' Skorcha Driver
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What models do you own? This will restrict the suggestion I might be able to give you. I think the main advice is focus on the theme of the army is this a kan wall, green tide of BW rush. At the moment seems to be a mix of things which does not work for orks.
shadowh3ll wrote:
Big Mek (105pts)
Burna (20pts), Kustom Force Field (50pts)
Burna is not a bad choice on a big mek but definetly not a mandatory and it is expensive. I would just run a plain KFF Big Mek saving you 20pts
shadowh3ll wrote:
Warboss (100pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Bosspole (5pts), Power Klaw (25pts), Shoota/Scorcha Kombi-Weapon (5pts)
Boss pole on your warboss is not needed every mob should include a nob with PK and BP so this is redudant. Also your boss wants to be in CC asap so kombi-weapon is really not needed. 10pts saved
shadowh3ll wrote:
Troops (894pts)
Deff Dread (Troops) (105pts)
2x Kustom Mega-Blasta (30pts)
Deff dread is not scoring and a Kustom Mega blasta is a waste of points on it I would drop the unit completely.That's 105pts available
shadowh3ll wrote:
Nobz (Troops) (475pts)
Battlewagon (170pts)
Deff Rolla (20pts), Red Paint Job (5pts), 4x Rokkit Launcha (40pts), Zzap Gun (15pts)
Nob (25pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Choppa, Slugga
Nob (25pts)
Bosspole (5pts), Choppa, Slugga
Nob (45pts)
Power Klaw (25pts), Slugga
Nob (50pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Power Klaw (25pts), Slugga
Nob (30pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Bosspole (5pts), Choppa, Slugga
Nob (25pts)
Big Choppa (5pts), Slugga
Nob (30pts)
'Eavy Armour (5pts), Big Choppa (5pts), Slugga
Nob (30pts)
Big Choppa (5pts), Twin-Linked Shoota (5pts)
Nob (25pts)
Choppa, Twin-Linked Shoota (5pts)
Nob (20pts)
Choppa, Slugga
BW do only need a Big shoota for damage table results you will want to use them to delivery the boyz so rushing forwarding and so not able to shoot. Drop the RPJ,Rokkit Launchas and Zzap Gun. Just with these you save 60pts. You should use this to include a mandatory painboy and you can improve the current loadout of the unit. Although I don't use nobz so not an expert here.
shadowh3ll wrote:
Ork Boyz (114pts)
19x Boy (114pts)
19x Shootas
I guess your idea is to joint this unit to the warboss on the BW, but IC can be singled out in combat and if you want to load them into a BW slugga boyz might actually be better, but that is optional. What is not optional is the Noz with BP and PK. Include that which takes 30pts.
shadowh3ll wrote:
Ork Boyz (200pts)
30x Boy (180pts)
30x Slugga & Choppa
Nob (20pts)
Big Choppa (5pts), Bosspole (5pts)
This will be foot slogging and don't really fit with the rest of your army. They would be better as being another unit of 20 in a BW if you have the model.
shadowh3ll wrote:
Fast Attack (135pts)
Deffkoptas (45pts)
Deffkopta (45pts)
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha (10pts)
Deffkoptas (45pts)
Deffkopta (45pts)
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha (10pts)
Deffkoptas (45pts)
Deffkopta (45pts)
Twin-Linked Rokkit Launcha (10pts)
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Deffkoptas are suicide units that either work brilliant or are a waste of points. I tend to run two of them with TLRL and PK, but in your case I would probably drop them altogether since you are doing a BW rush list.
shadowh3ll wrote:
Heavy Support (150pts)
Battlewagon (150pts)
4x Big Shoota (20pts), Deff Rolla (20pts), Red Paint Job (5pts), Zzap Gun (15pts)
Same problem as before 1big shoots and Deff Rolla is the only updates which are really mandatory, save the points to include the third BW. It is quite late now so I didn't bother recalculating the point cost but you should be able to fit it under you point limit if you keep the upgrades low.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/11 01:09:38
Subject: Help with 1250pt Ork List
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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No Burna is needed on your Big Mek.
Warboss is not Eternal Warrior, so Cybork Body is a necessity. Bosspole should be on one of the Nobz, not on an IC that can be singled out in CC. An Attack Squig will give him 6 S10 PK attacks on the charge.
The Deff Dread is a little out of place and you will be disappointed by the 2 BS2 MegaBlasta shots. They are not even that great on Killa Kanz.
All of those Nobz are great, but how many Gray Knight players are at your store? They can be instant killed by 20 point Marines with Force Weapons, totally negating their 2 wound allocation resilience. What you can get for those 475 points are like 50 more wounds and 150 more attacks on the table. I recommend another Mob of Slugga Boyz with the Warboss in the other BW, leaving one spot open in each for the odd IC to jump into should his BW get shut down.
In the tournament you will probably have all 3 deployment types. That means that 2/3 of the games, Spearhead and Dawn of War, will start your BWs very far away from your opponent. You will be moving 13" for at least 2 turns, and then Ramming, all of which negates your ability to shoot with your BWs. You only take 1 Big Shoota for a Weapon Destroyed results as they will never get to fire. That will shave off a bunch of points. Red paint for speed, Grot Riggers and Armour Plates to keep them moving, Deffrollas to wreck vehicles, maybe Boarding Plank to assault Dreadnaughts without letting them hit you back, but that is circumstantial.
Every Boyz Mob NEEDS a PK Nob. Period. Even if they are with a Warboss. I also highly recommend a Bosspole.
At 1250, your opponents will not be fielding that many vehicles. 3 single TL Rokkit Buzzsaw Koptas can ruin your opponent's day. They scout 24", move 12", and assault 6", so nothing is safe. Turboboost them in the scout move to give them 3+ cover. Aim directly for their LasPlas vehicles, (not the autocannon ones). If you get to go first, you will auto hit on the assault if you don't blow them up with your rokkits. If you go second, they will erase your Deffkoptas, meaning less shots coming at your BWs.
At least 3 scoring units are needed for the Objectives match, but I recommend 4.
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