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So, WOTC has announced D&D 5ed. Enworld was one of several other news mediums selected to be the first to try out the new system.

Here is the link for the summary of what is known and will be updated as they find out more.

Here is "Gaming Tonics" post on being invited, and going, to WOTC HQ for this announcement.

Update 1/12/12: Enworld has included a list of news outlets who have reported on the 5e news.

The system is meant to speak to fans of all editions. So if you liked 1e, 2e, 3/3.5e or 4e...then by their words, you should be able to play the rules you want.

No real word on what the system is actually like.

More announcements will be made at Gencon 2012.

For those play WarmaHordes: They plan on releasing more info at GenCon 2012...which is when PP will be announcing IKRPG, correct? WOTC said "Forgotten Realms" will be the launch setting and more info is to come about the "OGL & GSL" stuff. Will they be the same system? Even if they are not, based on what WOTC has said you should be able to play 3/3.5ed IKRPG.

Sweet baby jesus, and here I thought they finally stopped spamming 4thed books.

So glad I play pathfinder instead, and dark heresy/deathwatch

Looks terrible, I'm allergic to change.

Hopefully it'll be better than 4th.

LoneLictor wrote:Hopefully it'll be better than 4th.

4e had its drawbacks but it really was easier to run.

Seems a bit soon, but fairly solid evidence that 4th was not the success they hoped for. I will probably not buy in.

I've yet to see any real reason to leave 3.5/pathfinder.

Necroshea wrote:I've yet to see any real reason to leave 3.5/pathfinder.

QFT. Paizo's doing a bang-up job with the OGL, and it's got a larger player base than 4E now.

Of course, WotC has apparently recruited Cook to help write 5E, so we'll see how it turns out.

Da Boss wrote:Seems a bit soon, but fairly solid evidence that 4th was not the success they hoped for. I will probably not buy in.

And that evidence would be?


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Laughing Man wrote:QFT. Paizo's doing a bang-up job with the OGL, and it's got a larger player base than 4E now.

[citation needed]

In this area there are probably 4 4e players to every 1 Pathfinder.

Also, did you know there is actually a forum for RPG's on Dakka and that we have been talking about this for a day already?

ProtoClone wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:Hopefully it'll be better than 4th.

4e had its drawbacks but it really was easier to run.

Pathfinder is not hard to run.

4th feels like an MMORPG without the computer. 4th ed seems to have been produced to lure more 12 yr olds into the game, they made it less complex so I had no interest in it.

3.5/Pathfinder has complexity and not overly so. I run a Pathfinder game and its easy to adjust to the PC's abilities. Of course I played 2nd ed and 3rd ed was quite the change, but for the better.

Laughing Man wrote: Also, did you know there is actually a forum for RPG's on Dakka and that we have been talking about this for a day already?

I did not know, I thought I looked and didn't see it...must be going blind.

If a mod could delete this with a link to the already existing thread, please...thank you!

Bah, too much Oregano!

ProtoClone wrote:
The system is meant to speak to fans of all editions. So if you liked 1e, 2e, 3/3.5e or 4e...then by their words, you should be able to play the rules you want.

No real word on what the system is actually like.

Well obviously if it will be perfect for fans o 4+ editions over 30+ years then I see no problem here

I assume it will have rules for Cthuhlu and Elric right? Otherwise I ain't buying.

Ahtman wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Seems a bit soon, but fairly solid evidence that 4th was not the success they hoped for. I will probably not buy in.

And that evidence would be?


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Laughing Man wrote:QFT. Paizo's doing a bang-up job with the OGL, and it's got a larger player base than 4E now.

[citation needed]

In this area there are probably 4 4e players to every 1 Pathfinder.

Also, did you know there is actually a forum for RPG's on Dakka and that we have been talking about this for a day already?

Is that personal statistic any better as evidence than what Da Boss said? In my area there are probably 10 pathfinder players for every 1 4E player. Its not a lie, so does my superior number outweigh yours in the argument? Everyone has their own experience regarding the subject. Dungeons & Dragons is more than just a brand name now. The game is what you make of it, whether you are using Pathfinder or Dungeons & Dragons. I know you disagree with me and you are a name brand guy. I get that and have seen it in probably 5 other threads.

The thing is 5E is too soon, but not soon enough IMO. I am loyal to the Dungeons & Dragons game but not to these chaps that are handling it now. I will give the 5E a good read and a chance to bring me back in, but if they drop the ball on this one, I might as well stick to 3.5.

DeathReaper wrote:

ProtoClone wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:Hopefully it'll be better than 4th.

4e had its drawbacks but it really was easier to run.

Pathfinder is not hard to run.

4th feels like an MMORPG without the computer. 4th ed seems to have been produced to lure more 12 yr olds into the game, they made it less complex so I had no interest in it.

3.5/Pathfinder has complexity and not overly so. I run a Pathfinder game and its easy to adjust to the PC's abilities. Of course I played 2nd ed and 3rd ed was quite the change, but for the better.

You have it backwards, MMO's are just RPG's on computer. I also like this idea that RPG's are only for mature adults and not those kiddy 12 year olds. I suppose the irony of the statement is that most of the people saying it are playing Pathfinder becuase they played 3/3.5 when they were 12 years old and they hate change. See, silly generalizations are easy to make!


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Lord Scythican wrote:Is that personal statistic any better as evidence than what Da Boss said? In my area there are probably 10 pathfinder players for every 1 4E player

My god, it is almost like my point was that anectdotal evidence wasn't usefull and just saying something won't make it true!

Lord Scythican wrote:I know you disagree with me and you are a name brand guy.

You are 50% right, whcih last I checked is an F, so you failed I guess. You act like you have read my posts, but your response illustrates why I think you don't understand them. Also, you do realize Pathfinder is a name brand right? It isn't some guys home brew in a three ring binder. They filed legal papers and everything!

Lord Scythican wrote:I get that and have seen it in probably 5 other threads.

I have my doubts. You have seen me defend 4e against baseless and silly arguments, but I would do the same for Pathfinder.

Lord Scythican wrote:I might as well stick to 3.5.

I get the impression that you wouldn't leave 3.5/PF for any reason. You'll say if it is good enough you will play it, but I doubt that anything ever will be.

I'll probably buy the core books and give it a go, whether I actually use I can't say until I try it.

Ahtman- I'm basing my statement on the assumption that if 4th was doing well, they would have kept going with it a while longer. I run a 4th edition game and think that it's a good system, but I think it was marketed poorly and didn't catch on with many in the community because of that.

To be honest I have gone back to original Redbox D&D.

I found a box with my old books, maps and notes from back in the eighties, and am relaunching the original campaign i started when I was 11 with my sons and a few of their friends.

What it lacks in detail it makes up for in retro charm and purity of play.

Ahtman wrote:[blah blah blah

And here we go again ahtman. You twist my words just the same. Honestly I think the tension of the pathfinder vs. D&D debate makes both of us just as pissy.

As for leaving PF/3.5...well I left 1st edition for second edition. I even tried 2.5 for awhile but I was a bit late and 3rd edition was right around the corner. I moved up from 3rd to 3.5 and then from 3.5 to 4E. I then decided to take a step back and play 3.5 since I liked the system better and had a lot more books. Adopting the PF rules was pure logic for anyone playing 3.5.

But defending all that seems like I am fighting against a baseless and silly argument as well. I don't ignore too many people here on dakka, but you are worth clicking that little button. Honestly dude, go get you a fresh bowl of wheaties and stop eating out of the one you have.

i quit dnd a long time ago when i realized they had this method of sales... i'd still rather play with my 2nd ed ADnD books with the 3rd ed combat system...

Who doesn't love THAC0?

frgsinwntr wrote:i quit dnd a long time ago when i realized they had this method of sales... i'd still rather play with my 2nd ed ADnD books with the 3rd ed combat system...

Who doesn't love THAC0?

Well it isn't as bad as people say. If I did play 2nd edition I would love to change the THAC0 to be more like the 3rd edition system with the positive numbers. Teaching newbies to plat with THAC0 is tough.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I assume it will have rules for Cthuhlu and Elric right? Otherwise I ain't buying.

I'd settle for minis.

George Spiggott wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I assume it will have rules for Cthuhlu and Elric right? Otherwise I ain't buying.

I'd settle for minis.

You could always go with this:

http://paizo.com/products/btpy855z?RuneQuest-Elric-of-Melnibone-Dream-Realms

Ahtman wrote:You have it backwards, MMO's are just RPG's on computer. I also like this idea that RPG's are only for mature adults and not those kiddy 12 year olds. I suppose the irony of the statement is that most of the people saying it are playing Pathfinder becuase they played 3/3.5 when they were 12 years old and they hate change. See, silly generalizations are easy to make!

That is the point. 3.5 did not feel like an MMO (you had no pure tank, everyone could be a damage dealer, no way to mark the enemy and debuff him if he didn't attack you, and attacked the healer instead) 4th ed feels like an MMO with Tanks, DPS and Healers.

3.5 was released in 2003 (8 yrs ago) so I did not play 3.5 when I was 12, we played 2nd ed.

If you know anything about 2nd ed you realize that the switch to 3rd ed was a big difference, they introduced feats, changed multiclassing added D20 based skill checks, and a ton more changes.

I never said "that RPG's are only for mature adults and not those kiddy 12 year olds"

I said "4th ed seems to have been produced to lure more 12 yr olds into the game, they made it less complex so I had no interest in it."

I stuck with 3.5 because it was more complex and did not feel like an MMO.

I have no problem with them marketing to 12yr old's, I think it was a smart move to sell more books, but I have 3.5 and pathfinder books and have no interest in getting the 4th ed books.

Ahtman wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Seems a bit soon, but fairly solid evidence that 4th was not the success they hoped for. I will probably not buy in.

And that evidence would be?


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Laughing Man wrote:QFT. Paizo's doing a bang-up job with the OGL, and it's got a larger player base than 4E now.

[citation needed]

In this area there are probably 4 4e players to every 1 Pathfinder.

Also, did you know there is actually a forum for RPG's on Dakka and that we have been talking about this for a day already?

Actually Pathfinder has outsold D&D last year

Lord Scythican wrote:

Ahtman wrote:[blah blah blah

And here we go again ahtman. You twist my words just the same. Honestly I think the tension of the pathfinder vs. D&D debate makes both of us just as pissy.

The fact you think that is what the debate is about boogles my mind. You are here, you are reading, and yet multiple times you come to the some oddball conclusion that it is PF vs D&D.

@Deathreaper: I'm not going to address every point, but many of the complaints you lodge at 4e are the same that 2e players made when 3.0 came out. I also noticed you used the word 'feel' to add wieght to your argument. It doesn't matter if you 'feel' that way anymore than there are people who 'feel' that 4e was a good system and didn't like the idiosyncrasies of 3.5. 3.5 can feel just as much like an MMO as 4e any day of the week.

@chocolategork: Considering there are no hard numbers for sales that is a tough statement to back up and stems from a public statement made by an officer at Paizo that they outsold D&D for a month or two. The numbers, at best, were based on Amazon sales which did not include brick and mortar sales, online sales not Amazon, ebook sales, or DDi subscriptions. Neither give overall sales numbers so actually don't know who is doing better. Not that it matters that much becuase numbers rarely mean much to quality and is usually used as an argument when there isn't much else to argue. If I had to guess I would say they are both doing about the same, but that over the last 6 months D&D has probably dropped a bit becuase the whole Essentials line was a bit confusing and odd. A separate system using the same system that is technically a different system? They can be combined but only sort of?. I appreciate what they were trying to do but I think it was handled poorly. It was a good opportunity for Paizo and I think they took it by releasing their starter box, which is as good a starter box as there is. Also, they actually have minis atm whereas WotC does not.

The real question is how long after 5e comes out will Paizo come out with a tweaked 4e to sell to the people that love 4e so much they can't bear to part with it?

Gah! Now I'm gonna be up all night statting out Cthulhu for 3.5

Y'know, in the name of sanity I think I'm going to move this to News and Rumors and close the new thread there.

And AAAAAWAAAAY we go!

As long as I can still play a Gnoll character, thats all that matters to me really.

Yo dawg, i heard you liked closing and redirecting threads...