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Yikes, those guns are really out of proportion or badly angled or something

The Ammo-Jack is very cool.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed or posted elsewhere but the Macrocrid Explorator is on LCTB and the Achilles-alpha pattern Land Raider is no longer available on the US web store.



Edit:

Deathstorm drop pods with assault cannons too

Serious? Good grief it is. I really hope this is because they are repackaging them...

Worries me a bit that they aren't advertising it like before.

More stuff is being put on LCTB. A bunch of legion-specific rhino and land raider doors as well as the large and small zone mortalis blast doors.

Strange and worrying indeed that this stuff is being ghosted.

They seem to be getting rid of Traitor HH Era Mk2 rhino doors/front and one of the extra Space Wolf deimos doors.

EDIT: Also the Dreadstorm Drop Pod w/ Assault Cannons.

Really sad. A beautiful FW Mechanicum vehicle disappears just after GW give us that new, ugly piece of crap for their inferior Ad Mech range.

EDIT: The Macrocarid is now no longer available. I really hate Forge World sometimes.

I hope that was a mistake. The “no longer available” is just another bad communication thing they put on “temporary our of stock” products that tend to come back sooner or later. But I’m still panic buying myself a set of ZM doors as soon as their website goes back online. Provided they will be still available, hah.

Aaand, large doors are gonners. Crap :/

Kinda sad that they are quitting with these kits. Was going to buy a few of the Death Guard and Emperors Children kits when time and money allowed. Apparently that's not going to happen and I abhor the fact that recasts will be the only way for many players to finish their forces.

Honestly if FW at least had a MTO strategy to bring stuff back occasionally I'd understand, but the current strategy seems nuts.

(I'll grant you, I'd hope they'd bring it back in a more structured way than the GW one, but still, in principle.)

I really wish GW was more forward in communicating removals to us - rather than just doing it and letting us find out later or on the offchance we catch the website on the right day

 Overread wrote:
I really wish GW was more forward in communicating removals to us - rather than just doing it and letting us find out later or on the offchance we catch the website on the right day

... by which time most of it has already gone...

I suspect they only decide when a mould dies, and look at (recent) sales to decide if it makes sense to replace it

and if it turns out the master is knackered and needs repaired or worse replaced they will need better sales figures than if it's just the case of making a new mould

so by the time they know something is being removed it's already too late to advertise the fact in any major way because they'll only have whats in stock to sell

They should *at least* put up a separate, visible “last chance to buy” tab. The way we know that it’s going lctb - stumbling by accident - is just plain fething wrong.

that would be good (even a less obvious one like on the main GW website would be a start)

At this point they could just as well just put limited run numbers on these items instead of having this mystery method.

This also shows that they have no idea what to do with the Horus Heresy line. Currently it feels like a zombie that gets brains to eat a few times a week before more of it sloughs off as it shambles forth.

There is a chance they are trying to make the line more "bespoke". Currently we still have the Deimos faction doors, but that also means you have to buy specific Deimos Rhinos for your 30k force and can't use the standard 40k one unless you forego using faction specific doors.

I think the problem is GW isnt' even sure what to do with FW in general. Just look at the Fantasy/AoS line where they formed an AoS team and then disbanded them and their only product was 2 sets of alternative stormcast heads. In fact in the years since AoS launched I think the only thing they've released was those and the Khorne Dragon.
For a new flagship product line that was aimed at being for the models first, FW is really underwhelming when you consider almost everything they offer is years old for AoS.


HH is equally a bit adrift it seems, probably not helped by the sales being only driven by FW itself which is a niche within the market and then again so even more with the price hikes overseas where were very dramatic rises and likely killed off a lot of casual FW interest

edit - also for me its not just getting official notice that the models are going to vanish soon. It's GW just informing us clearly about what has left the store in general. Far better than leaving gamers in the dark and always feeling like you have to check the store often incase something vanishes without warning. .

I agree Overread. FW was also not helped by the passing of Alan Bligh. I wouldn't also be surprised if GW is somewhat pressuring FW to stick to the FW "specialist" games such as Blood Bowl, AT, and so on. Those are a bit more focused project currently and might be more profitable than the scattershot releases of HH or individual models for 40k or AoS.

 Eldarsif wrote:
I agree Overread. FW was also not helped by the passing of Alan Bligh. I wouldn't also be surprised if GW is somewhat pressuring FW to stick to the FW "specialist" games such as Blood Bowl, AT, and so on. Those are a bit more focused project currently and might be more profitable than the scattershot releases of HH or individual models for 40k or AoS.

I suspect the release of primeris has them in a knot, as much of forgeworlds kits now don't align with gw's main direction. Suddenly you can't proxy or import your space marines between games well.

Why then invest in heresy, from a corporate perspective? It's really just inertia at this point. Which is too bad as the solar aux and mechanicus ranges are superior to their 40k counterparts. The onager,hovercraft and kastellans don't fit the motif well.

I'd suspect there has been a lot of poaching of FW staff for GW & Specialist Games jobs during the expansions

so FW will be 'stuck' with a bunch of new hires and older senior staff who have moved away from GW as they no longer fitted in culturally. With most of the experienced but dynamic younger staff they'd have been expecting to push thing forward heading back to the new GW for more senior roles

It will be the usual office politics between the main design studio and FW. At the moment the main studio have been taking advantage of Alan's passing go feth FW over as badly as possible.

SeanDrake wrote:
It will be the usual office politics between the main design studio and FW. At the moment the main studio have been taking advantage of Alan's passing go feth FW over as badly as possible.

I remember them telling us that all the juvenile "social politics" stuff would be over once we left school. Why is it we lie so much to kids do you think?

SeanDrake wrote:
It will be the usual office politics between the main design studio and FW. At the moment the main studio have been taking advantage of Alan's passing go feth FW over as badly as possible.

I really don’t think it’s office politics. I think, as others have said, GW don’t know what to do with FW. Horus Heresy was a big success for several years but it’s taken a big hit. The untimely passing of Alan Bligh, 8th Edition and the release of Primaris have all caused HH to drop in popularity to the point where it looks like they can not justify keeping all of the models in production. So we’re at the point where it feels like the HH range is now shrinking despite it still getting (less frequent) new releases.

It is sad that GW hasn’t adopted at least the aesthetics of some of FW’s best designs. The Mechanicum range is beautiful, but GW went with something I personally find vastly inferior. Solar Auxilia are my favourite version of ordinary human troops, but GW chose not to support them with 40k rules and FW never finished the range to include all of the options in the rules.

SeanDrake wrote:
It will be the usual office politics between the main design studio and FW. At the moment the main studio have been taking advantage of Alan's passing go feth FW over as badly as possible.

A fair few of them were probably his friends. Your framing of this doesn't seem at all realistic tbh.

Plastic is fantastic but its not quite yet fully there next to resin. Resin still has bonuses in certain areas when it comes to what can be cast with it and find detailing. It might be that GW' central choices are in part dictated by the properties of the material not just the design aesthetic

I'll say I have to disagree a bit there. Resin, when properly done, has such a trivial advantage over modern plastics in detail...I think that ship has sailed. It was true back in 2000-2005 or so...when plastics were just starting to become "better". However, the minor advantage that resin has is lost if it's not perfectly cast or produced (and with FW it is seldom perfectly produced).

I think that used to be the selling point (and the excuse for the prices). Oh you only have a basic Space Marine tactical squad...look at all the cool unique and special Forgeworld things you could have!

Resin is easily the worse material to work with, paint, and game with. I don't the increasingly small "advantage" is remotely worth the hassle or the inflated costs. I think it's another one of FW's issues. Their older products are increasingly worse than current GW plastics. Their prices are still pretty insane, etc. They're also producing a game with a flat or shrinking player base (HH may be slightly profitable but there's no way it's anywhere near touching the scale of 40K which is still on a pretty meteoric rise). I think FW is in a bad place.

Resin can pack in some intensely fine and crisp detail, but, for GW's games, I'd say the biggest advantage is the low investment vs. plastic molds, and what that allows.

Well, I think most people going for HH armies tend to go all in - IE, People will buy the deimos door for their deimos rhinos as Deimos Rhinos are more era appropriate, and the Mk2 rhino doors probably didn't sell.

They kept the post-heresy/chaos doors available.

I've never seen a Deathstorm in person, so *shrug*

The Macaroid is a shame though, but with Admech from FW in perpetual limbo for 40k I doubt they sold many, as from what I've read most people who played Admech went for the fancy robots that couldn't go in a tank anyways.

 Yodhrin wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
It will be the usual office politics between the main design studio and FW. At the moment the main studio have been taking advantage of Alan's passing go feth FW over as badly as possible.

I remember them telling us that all the juvenile "social politics" stuff would be over once we left school. Why is it we lie so much to kids do you think?

No idea I would guess it’s to stop most people giving up before they start uni and forking over huge amounts of cash for no reason in most cases.

As for the people saying my comment sounds unreasonable -

1. Have you ever worked somewhere when 2 separate departments effectively have to compete for resources and 1 department has relative autonomy and they other has to toe the company line 100% to the detriment of the product.

2. In one of the memorial pieces I read about Alan I believe written by ADB he literally states that above and beyond being a walking encyclopaedia of HH lore and a gifted designer his main gift that benefited FW was his unnatural ability to navigate bull gak office politics.

3. It may be better now but the design studio management despised FW from its creation due to there about to actual work mostly unimpeded by crap from higher management. It did not help that AoS tanked so badly at launch that FW sales were higher some months, this peaked when Calth was released and outsold the AoS starter by about 9 to 1 effectively saving the companies financials from ruin allaowing Alan to swing more plastic slots. I head it may have impacted some people’s bonuses and that they have retained a raging hate boner to this day about screwing FW.

4. This is England where repressed middle management effectively live there miserable lives to spread there misery onto as many other people as possible (see Kirby’s little Red Book)