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This horror of a codex makes me anxious about what they're going to do my Knights.

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 BaronIveagh wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:

Except they arent putting 6 on the shelf, theyre selling them, which is less money in GWs pocket.

Plus, after 23 years in this hobby, the number of people i know who had 18 sentinels is precisely 0. I have 12 (6 old, 6 new), which is twice more than anyone else i know. The number of people with 18 sentinels is very small, not large enough for GW to care enough to mandate a unit size change for business reasons as you have proposed.


I have three for each one produced, except the old FW Rocket and Missile ones, which annoys me. Plus the absolutely ballooning number of minis it takes to make a legal guard list anymore.

I think I'm just tired of having army after army removed from Game, after I spend all the time that it takes to paint a full guard list.

I don't like the direction I see GW moving in.


I feel your pain. I have yet to finish painting my IG, and now I will have to redo my infantry squads, and find extra miniatures to cover for the missing HWT.

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 Fayric wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
Dudeface wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
I think it is also a balance thing as raised earlier. If stratagems and abilities from characters only impact one unit, limiting the max unit size limits the impact of those to avoid 'gotcha' moments that GW playtesters never seem to catch.


Sorry, you'd have to explain to me what you could apply to 3 sentinels that breaks them compared to 2.


If you can have 3 units of sentinels, the change from 3 to 2 per unit make a difference. And for cold calculated lists small variation can make or break a spam unit.


We're talking about 1 lascannon shot or something. Maybe a defensive buff, but I don't see it being gamebreaking exactly?


Honestly, personally I could not make a competetive list if my life depended upon it. Still the point was its a difference between 6 or 9 lascannons in total, and also (more important) that GW make sweeping changes because they cant see the impact or consequences of synnergy and spam units. It dont necessary say that Sentinels would break the meta, just that GW use collective punishment when trying to balance the game.


So I think we can safely say it isn't an in-game or balance reason, given that they found a way for you to field 9 heavy weapon teams each with 3 of the same weapon as sentinel.

So I'll now buy into the "max squad size = 2 boxes" theory.
   
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chaos0xomega wrote:
 kodos wrote:
and everyone who has 18 Sentinels need to put 6 in the shelf and buy something new to fill the points again = more models sold

everyone who has a number not divided by 2 might also buy more sentinels to get the 2 per units, = more models sold

changing things always results in more models sold, not necessary the same models but overall


Except they arent putting 6 on the shelf, theyre selling them, which is less money in GWs pocket.
they only people I know who sell models they painted but cannot use are competitive players who don't buy anything from GW at all
Everyone else, specially beginners but stuff on the shelf and buy the new boxes
There is a reason people end up with a vast collection but still don't have a playable list when a new Edition/Codex drops

And if the reason for change is simply "maximum 2 boxes for a unit" it is still a business decision
Everything GW is changing has a business reason to increase profit or save money, just not always an obvious one (and 2 boxes per unit might just be their solution to fulfil demand)

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 Tastyfish wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
The next thing will be GW selling their own range of magnets..


They looked into it (Titanicus models have specific slots for them, as do some of the FW Tau aircraft), but there's some very complicated rules regarding whether the things that use them count as toys or not for tax reasons internationally, so they dropped the idea.


I'm not aware of any jurisdiction where toys would be taxed differently to the way GW's existing products are taxed. In the UK, for example, toys attract VAT at 20%, and miniatures (and games) attract VAT at 20%. In all the US states I'm familiar with which have a sales tax, this would also be true.

There may be regulatory requirements that differ around the world – magnets might be considered hazardous or dangerous in some areas – but GW already makes a number of products (knives, glue, spray paint) which are subject to significant regulatory restrictions in many jurisdictions, and GW deals with that by a mixture of labelling and restricting which territories and channels those products are sold through (e.g. knives are displayed on the webstore but not available for sale; sprays can be ordered but, in the UK at least, only if the order includes at least one non-hazardous item).

I don't think this story about how/why/whether/if GW looked into magnets and decided not to do it stacks up. If they wanted to, they can do it as easily as for the hobby products they already sell. If it was ever looked into at all and decided against, commercial reasons seem more likely.
   
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Greenfield wrote:
 Tastyfish wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
The next thing will be GW selling their own range of magnets..


They looked into it (Titanicus models have specific slots for them, as do some of the FW Tau aircraft), but there's some very complicated rules regarding whether the things that use them count as toys or not for tax reasons internationally, so they dropped the idea.


I'm not aware of any jurisdiction where toys would be taxed differently to the way GW's existing products are taxed. In the UK, for example, toys attract VAT at 20%, and miniatures (and games) attract VAT at 20%. In all the US states I'm familiar with which have a sales tax, this would also be true.

There may be regulatory requirements that differ around the world – magnets might be considered hazardous or dangerous in some areas – but GW already makes a number of products (knives, glue, spray paint) which are subject to significant regulatory restrictions in many jurisdictions, and GW deals with that by a mixture of labelling and restricting which territories and channels those products are sold through (e.g. knives are displayed on the webstore but not available for sale; sprays can be ordered but, in the UK at least, only if the order includes at least one non-hazardous item).

I don't think this story about how/why/whether/if GW looked into magnets and decided not to do it stacks up. If they wanted to, they can do it as easily as for the hobby products they already sell. If it was ever looked into at all and decided against, commercial reasons seem more likely.


This appears under the government website in the uk for health considerations:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1654

however other countries might have other restrictions and bulk shipping might also require some warning labels on the shipment front for transporting magnets.

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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
This horror of a codex makes me anxious about what they're going to do my Knights.


They'll likely address glaring issues with an end-of-edition event at the end of the year.

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 Overread wrote:
Greenfield wrote:
 Tastyfish wrote:
 Olthannon wrote:
The next thing will be GW selling their own range of magnets..


They looked into it (Titanicus models have specific slots for them, as do some of the FW Tau aircraft), but there's some very complicated rules regarding whether the things that use them count as toys or not for tax reasons internationally, so they dropped the idea.


I'm not aware of any jurisdiction where toys would be taxed differently to the way GW's existing products are taxed. In the UK, for example, toys attract VAT at 20%, and miniatures (and games) attract VAT at 20%. In all the US states I'm familiar with which have a sales tax, this would also be true.

There may be regulatory requirements that differ around the world – magnets might be considered hazardous or dangerous in some areas – but GW already makes a number of products (knives, glue, spray paint) which are subject to significant regulatory restrictions in many jurisdictions, and GW deals with that by a mixture of labelling and restricting which territories and channels those products are sold through (e.g. knives are displayed on the webstore but not available for sale; sprays can be ordered but, in the UK at least, only if the order includes at least one non-hazardous item).

I don't think this story about how/why/whether/if GW looked into magnets and decided not to do it stacks up. If they wanted to, they can do it as easily as for the hobby products they already sell. If it was ever looked into at all and decided against, commercial reasons seem more likely.


This appears under the government website in the uk for health considerations:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/1654

however other countries might have other restrictions and bulk shipping might also require some warning labels on the shipment front for transporting magnets.


Sure – there absolutely would be safety requirements. But GW already deals with numerous of those for all their products. I don't know if they ever looked into magnets, but it they did and decided against it, it's nothing to do with tax, and even the safety requirements wouldn't be especially onerous for a company that already sells knives, hazardous materials and products with small parts. It would be a commercial decision, I would think.
   
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Via goonhammer: "We would like to thank Games Workshop for providing us with a review copy of the Codex. In addition, we have been provided with details of some day-1 FAQs accompanying this book, plus an early look at a set of points that are going to be provided online alongside the launch of the Army box for use with the Codex before its full release. The recommendation from GW will remain that tournaments shouldn’t use the new book till full release, but they’ve learned from the last few army boxes that people want a way to use their new toys in casual and practice games straight away."

Scions confirmed to get deepstrike back day 1.
   
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Via goonhammer: "We would like to thank Games Workshop for providing us with a review copy of the Codex. In addition, we have been provided with details of some day-1 FAQs accompanying this book, plus an early look at a set of points that are going to be provided online alongside the launch of the Army box for use with the Codex before its full release. The recommendation from GW will remain that tournaments shouldn’t use the new book till full release, but they’ve learned from the last few army boxes that people want a way to use their new toys in casual and practice games straight away."

Scions confirmed to get deepstrike back day 1.


Isn't Goonhammer generally positive about GW? That highlighted part is a polite way of saying something very rude about GW. Even if it's absolutely believable that folks at GW might actually be that clueless.

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Ah, its that time in the "3 year itch" cycle again, where GW can start dropping half-arsed products which they will then themselves use as an excuse for #New40K later. The next edition will fix everything, as usual. Its going to be the best edition ever.

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 Geifer wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Via goonhammer: "We would like to thank Games Workshop for providing us with a review copy of the Codex. In addition, we have been provided with details of some day-1 FAQs accompanying this book, plus an early look at a set of points that are going to be provided online alongside the launch of the Army box for use with the Codex before its full release. The recommendation from GW will remain that tournaments shouldn’t use the new book till full release, but they’ve learned from the last few army boxes that people want a way to use their new toys in casual and practice games straight away."

Scions confirmed to get deepstrike back day 1.


Isn't Goonhammer generally positive about GW? That highlighted part is a polite way of saying something very rude about GW. Even if it's absolutely believable that folks at GW might actually be that clueless.


There were a few comments to that extent tbh, the comment elsewhere was they were glad some stuff is immediately fixed, but were dissapointed it needed to be in the first place etc.
   
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 tauist wrote:
Ah, its that time in the "3 year itch" cycle again, where GW can start dropping half-arsed products which they will then themselves use as an excuse for #New40K later. The next edition will fix everything, as usual. Its going to be the best edition ever.

Ave Imperator Ave


"you pays your money, you takes your chances"-- seems to apply here too.

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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
 tauist wrote:
Ah, its that time in the "3 year itch" cycle again, where GW can start dropping half-arsed products which they will then themselves use as an excuse for #New40K later. The next edition will fix everything, as usual. Its going to be the best edition ever.

Ave Imperator Ave


"you pays your money, you takes your chances"-- seems to apply here too.


I'm not sure chance has anything to do with it. What appears to us as half-assing things halfway through an edition is likely founded in the developers already being so immersed in the next edition's rules that they have lost some of the understanding of what they were going for in the current edition. This is also why you so often see a paradigm shift in codices halfway through an edition. The developers sneak things into the current edition that's going to feature in the next one, be that because they think it's a great idea, that they want to future proof the current books so people don't feel completely left behind if they have to use the codex for much of the next edition, or because that's simply how the design things at the time.

Not that they strictly need to screw things up intentionally to better market the next edition as the best thing ever. 10th ed is a cut down edition that starts with comparatively little bloat. 11th ed will in all likelihood not throw out all the rules again but add clutter, and either it or 12th ed will become so unwieldy that the following edition will be the next reset. No need for artificial idiocy just yet. The naturally built in flaws suffice to laud the next edition as the best edition yet.

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 tauist wrote:
Ah, its that time in the "3 year itch" cycle again, where GW can start dropping half-arsed products which they will then themselves use as an excuse for #New40K later. The next edition will fix everything, as usual. Its going to be the best edition ever.


This, so much this.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

"you pays your money, you takes your chances"-- seems to apply here too.


I have to admit, that 3d printer is looking better and better every day.


 Geifer wrote:

Not that they strictly need to screw things up intentionally to better market the next edition as the best thing ever. 10th ed is a cut down edition that starts with comparatively little bloat. 11th ed will in all likelihood not throw out all the rules again but add clutter, and either it or 12th ed will become so unwieldy that the following edition will be the next reset. No need for artificial idiocy just yet. The naturally built in flaws suffice to laud the next edition as the best edition yet.


To be honest, this fits with my own, granted, limited, experience with GW rules design. Absolute idiocy slips in with, I gak you not, the idea that 'Yeah, it's bad and/or imbalanced, we'll just remove it in the next edition". In my case, the idiocy stayed, because there was no next edition (yet, I keep hoping).

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Honestly, go to Myminifactory and look up Guard proxies. Red Makers in particular make some very nice stuff. For the cost of the files, a 3D printer, and however much resin you think you need (plus cleaning supplies, etc.), you can get a pretty nice Astra Militarum army, probably cheaper than buying new from GW even if you were to just throw away the printer afterwards (not that you should ever do that, of course). If I do decide to expand my Astra Militarum into a full army, I'm probably going to mostly 3D print it, possibly supplementing it with Wargames Atlantic models.

My armies (re-counted and updated on 11/7/24, including modeled wargear options):
Dark Angels: ~16000 Astra Militarum: ~1200 | Imperial Knights: ~2300 | Leagues of Votann: ~1300 | Tyranids: ~3400 | Stormcast Eternals: ~5000 | Kruleboyz: ~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: ~700
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Best way to promote GW is to support them by playing their game so they know that they do everything right with their rules and the 3 year cycle

I am in general impressed that the suggested solutions to GWs handling of the rules is to buy a 3D printer to keep playing said rules

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Agreed with kodos, surprisingly. While GW wont get your money you are enabling the perpetuation and growth of a community that does. If your goal is to be an ethical consumer who drives change against GWs practices, the only way to do it is to divest entirely snd play other games from other publishers using otber minis.

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While I find the 3 year edition churn a little...much, I actually really enjoy the current 40k rules, and have for the last few editions. So I don't mind promoting the rules or "supporting/enabling" GW by playing them. I especially appreciate their attempts to balance the game through points updates and Balance Dataslates, something that was sorely lacking in earlier editions (part of why 7th was so broken and the players formed the ITC to deal with the worst of it). I only promote all the third-party/3D printed stuff because it's cheaper than the official models, and makes it so lower-income players can participate in the game too. Outside of official GW events, nobody should even bat an eye at third-party models, either, as long as it's easy to tell what's what on the table.

My armies (re-counted and updated on 11/7/24, including modeled wargear options):
Dark Angels: ~16000 Astra Militarum: ~1200 | Imperial Knights: ~2300 | Leagues of Votann: ~1300 | Tyranids: ~3400 | Stormcast Eternals: ~5000 | Kruleboyz: ~3500 | Lumineth Realm-Lords: ~700
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chaos0xomega wrote:
Agreed with kodos, surprisingly. While GW wont get your money you are enabling the perpetuation and growth of a community that does. If your goal is to be an ethical consumer who drives change against GWs practices, the only way to do it is to divest entirely snd play other games from other publishers using otber minis.



See, I don't see it that way. If no one is buying their minis, they have to go all in on game design, or get the feth out of the business entirely. And I do make a point to explain to people that a 3d Resin Printer is vastly cheaper than an actual warhammer army.


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True on pricing, but 3d printing is basically a hobby of its own to get into.
   
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 MajorWesJanson wrote:
True on pricing, but 3d printing is basically a hobby of its own to get into.

And also not accessible to everyone. Perhaps less so in North America, but in the UK having a room that can be dedicated to running a resin printer isn't all the common (and makes rather costly if you are basing your accommodation needs on requiring an extra room for it).
   
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 BaronIveagh wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
Agreed with kodos, surprisingly. While GW wont get your money you are enabling the perpetuation and growth of a community that does. If your goal is to be an ethical consumer who drives change against GWs practices, the only way to do it is to divest entirely snd play other games from other publishers using otber minis.

See, I don't see it that way. If no one is buying their minis, they have to go all in on game design, or get the feth out of the business entirely. And I do make a point to explain to people that a 3d Resin Printer is vastly cheaper than an actual warhammer army.
well, if no one buys their minis, they stop making said minis and shift to different style of miniatures and not start improving the rules
if you want GW to make better rules, don't use them
if you want them to make cheaper minis, don't buy those minis
if you want both, don't play and buy

just thinking that stop doing X will result in a company changing Y and not changing X, they never go all in on game design unless the majority of people stop playing the game (not like we already were at that point)

would be the same to assume that if you buy a diesel car instead of an electric will force the state to offer better and cheaper public transport

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It’s well known that games workshop target new players as their main audience for selling products. That’s where the bulk of their sales come from so a handful of gognards rage quitting or 3D printing an army isn’t going to have any real impact on this multibillion pound international business.
   
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exactly, so as long as the new people see everyone else playing 40k, they will give GW their money and nothing will change

so the 3D printers are doing their part to keep everything as it is especially if using carbon copies instead of 3rd party plastics

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Andykp wrote:
It’s well known that games workshop target new players as their main audience for selling products. That’s where the bulk of their sales come from so a handful of gognards rage quitting or 3D printing an army isn’t going to have any real impact on this multibillion pound international business.


That is not entirely true, or HH and WHTOW would never exist. GW is trying to cater to both groups, they just arent doing a very good job of it ATM

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