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Chaplain Vaerra, Eagle of the ninth: 260 points
Chaplain Vaerra
WS6, BS4 S4 T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld10
Chaplain Vaerra, Fully realised
WS7 BS4 S4 T4 W4 I5 A4 Ld10

Special Rules:
Realisation
For the Chapter!
Litguries of battle
Rage

For the Chapter:
Any squad within 6" of the Eagle is fearless

Litguries of battle:
SEE: Chaplain

Realisation:
Whenever the Eagle enters combat there is a chance that he will be empowered with the skills of all the previous eagles.

The the Eagle Charges or is charged roll 2D6. If the value of this roll is over 8, the Eagle becomes realised. He is replaced with the larger Eagle model and for all intents and purposes is that model.
When the Realised Eagle looses combat, he is reduced to his original form. Note that he carries over all the wounds he has taken.
Once the eagle has been reduced to his original form, he may never become realised again for the remainder of the game.
Finally, while the The Eagle is realised, he may not use a ranged weapon and is always forced to run in the shooting phase, subject to the Rage and Fleet special rules.
Both rules are passed onto any squad he is with.

Wargear:
The Eagles Wings
This is a huge pair of wings that only get bigger when the Eagle is realised.

The Wings make the Eagle jump infantry, and he may not enter any vehicle of any kind.

If the Eagle chooses to run in the Shooting phase and is alone, roll 2D6 and choose the highest.

The Eagles Claw
This is a bastard sword that seethes with power.

This is a Master crafted Relic blade

The Eagles Plume
This is a Storm shield for all intents and purposes.

Artificier armour
Frag and krak grenades
Plasma Pistol
Note that the pistol is useless while realised.

A link to the concept drawing and fluff can be found here

IF you would argue the pricing, I am accepting that, or if you can think of a simplified version of any of the rules I am open to suggestion.

Edit:

Lessening of the ridiculousness of the rules.
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Noones interested in these rules?

My main problem with this guy is how he GAINS wounds when he "realizes" or whatever the heck it is... i see he is 2W normal then 5W when he goes powermode (im calling the realize powermode for simplicity sake on my part), so say if he goes powermode and goes up to 5W then loses 3 or 4 of them when he un-powermodes he would die, if he does not die from that he is way to OP and needs to be toned down.

edit: If he has lost combat, he is reduced to his original form. Note that his current wounds are divided by two. If this results in a wound value beneath 1, remove him as a casualty. He may never be re-realised during that battle

derped the first time reading over and did not see this part so ignore that top part

I like the special jump pack thing he has but i don't agree with his sword having 2 profiles (master crafted relic blade and master crafted power weapon, just needs to be one or the other)

I don't really get the whole

"When a Chaplain is charged or charges"

is it any chaplain in the army or is it supposed to be this eagle guy? Cause you keep bouncing between "the eagle" Vaerra" and "chaplain" and it gets a wee bit confusing (and yes i see he is a chaplain but please try to stick to one tittle for all your rules descriptions)

As is and from what i can understand i would say between 250 and 270ish points

I like the base of the rules for him so far but he does need tweeking

This guy looks rather broken, underpriced, and absurdly beyond the capacity of what a normal Space Marine could realistically achieve as written here. Escalation is bad. Writing a character designed so that he can beat any canon special character at their own game simply invites people to make bigger and better special characters to beat yours, until someone finally decides that it's a silly game and refuses to let you use your uber-characters. Stick with people at approximately the same power level written into the Codexes. That means no WS 8 5-Wound Chaplains, even if you do have a page of background that boils down to "but it would be really, really cool!".

Were I trying to represent the background you've presented on the tabletop, I'd recommend looking at Archaeon's sword in Fantasy; when he unleashes the Daemon within he doubles his attacks but any roll to hit of 1 hits someone on his side. If this guy is 'unleashed' you get some minor bonuses and drawbacks rather than a whole new statline. Simple, easy to remember, and generally not broken.

Impressive model. If you want to actually use him without having to argue with your opponent about your homebrew special character rules, you'd probably be able to declare your army to be a Blood Angels successor with their own fancy awesome person using Astorath's rules.

Tazz Azrael wrote:My main problem with this guy is how he GAINS wounds when he "realizes" or whatever the heck it is... i see he is 2W normal then 5W when he goes powermode (im calling the realize powermode for simplicity sake on my part), so say if he goes powermode and goes up to 5W then loses 3 or 4 of them when he un-powermodes he would die, if he does not die from that he is way to OP and needs to be toned down.

edit: If he has lost combat, he is reduced to his original form. Note that his current wounds are divided by two. If this results in a wound value beneath 1, remove him as a casualty. He may never be re-realised during that battle

derped the first time reading over and did not see this part so ignore that top part

I like the special jump pack thing he has but i don't agree with his sword having 2 profiles (master crafted relic blade and master crafted power weapon, just needs to be one or the other)

I don't really get the whole

"When a Chaplain is charged or charges"

is it any chaplain in the army or is it supposed to be this eagle guy? Cause you keep bouncing between "the eagle" Vaerra" and "chaplain" and it gets a wee bit confusing (and yes i see he is a chaplain but please try to stick to one tittle for all your rules descriptions)

As is and from what i can understand i would say between 250 and 270ish points

I like the base of the rules for him so far but he does need tweeking

Realisation is basically when someone becomes a god's avatar. Not that this guy is a god, but that's the idea - he is meant to become more powerful, so I used the word realisation.

Have you seen the Necron codex? There's a guy there who works very simmilarly to this.

I'll make it a MC-relic blade. You're right, it would get confusing.

Every reference to chaplain, Vaerra or the eagle is a reference to the character for all intents and purposes. This is an error on my part, I am sorry for this.

I was not sure of his price, I will put him up to 260 then.

AnomanderRake wrote:This guy looks rather broken, underpriced, and absurdly beyond the capacity of what a normal Space Marine could realistically achieve as written here. Escalation is bad. Writing a character designed so that he can beat any canon special character at their own game simply invites people to make bigger and better special characters to beat yours, until someone finally decides that it's a silly game and refuses to let you use your uber-characters. Stick with people at approximately the same power level written into the Codexes. That means no WS 8 5-Wound Chaplains, even if you do have a page of background that boils down to "but it would be really, really cool!".

Were I trying to represent the background you've presented on the tabletop, I'd recommend looking at Archaeon's sword in Fantasy; when he unleashes the Daemon within he doubles his attacks but any roll to hit of 1 hits someone on his side. If this guy is 'unleashed' you get some minor bonuses and drawbacks rather than a whole new statline. Simple, easy to remember, and generally not broken.

Impressive model. If you want to actually use him without having to argue with your opponent about your homebrew special character rules, you'd probably be able to declare your army to be a Blood Angels successor with their own fancy awesome person using Astorath's rules.

I'm not trying to look for an insane character, I was hoping for some rules to be made simpler. [I'm afraid this model has not been playtested whatsoever, and the rules were made at the same time as the fluff and rather late at night. I do appologise this.]

TBH, while I realise he is now exactly how you describe him, I wasn't looking for an uber character. That said, I did want him to be more powerful than your average marine. IF you've seen the series Avatar, Imagine him being basically the same as that - he has all the same skills as his predecessors, thus the high weaponskill.

I don't honestly like the idea of all his power being in a single weapon or rule. I do appreciate what you're saying here, but I am not quite ready for such a huge change to the original rules. I will make a toned-down version for revision, regardless.


Brother, I'll just use him as a standard Chaplain if I want him in a normal game. Alternatively, he could be just about any generic leader with a jump pack.

Just BTW the sword can be described as a hand and a half sword if anyone happens to complain.

I'm Aware, Dead. You're quite correct, but I'm not going to play anyone who's going to complain about the use of the word bastard, let alone with such a homebrew set of rules.

I'd understand if it was something like feth or gak, but that would never occur here.

I like this idea. The only thing you need to work on is wording and shortening up the ability descriptions. Also, I would call it something else other than "realization" simply for ease of explaining the rules to someone else.

McNinja wrote:I like this idea. The only thing you need to work on is wording and shortening up the ability descriptions. Also, I would call it something else other than "realization" simply for ease of explaining the rules to someone else.

Realisation is often used to represent the idea of something coming into its full power. Abraham Maslow [an american scientist] defined it thus: “the impulse to convert oneself into what one is capable of being.”

This is in reference to the term 'self-realisation' but since this is even more cloudy area [a rule called self realisation where one becomes everyone who came before him is strange, y'see?]

TBH, however it doesn't matter what it's called - just so long as the rule itself makes sense.

Otherwise, you're quite correct; I do need to find a way to make the descriptions more concise.

Of course, not so concise that the FAQ would contradict the concise meaning of the rule, like PotMS, but that's another story.

How many times in Mephiston's rules is he referred to as The Lord of Death, or is Azrael called Keeper of the Truth?

Keep silly nicknames out of rules.

He is the Eagle before he is Vaerra.

Also, Please don't refer to it as a silly nickname. I find that thoroughly insulting.