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Hey,

I am working on some fluff for a campaign that hosts a Tau/human colony allience, I was wondering if anyone knew any sources or info of how Tau and human tech interact, are they able to be put together, do they function under very different ways, and how much of the Tau's tech is considered hersey by the imperium (just the A.I stuff)

basically I know very little on the Tau, save for the basics (caste system, type of tanks, etc.) so I am looking for any info on the Tau, but mostly the way in which they (the Tau themselves and their tech) interact with humans and their own tech.

Thanks for any feedback!

Well the Tau think that the Imperium are cavemen playing with the advanced tech of their ancestors. While the Imperium are well.... BURN THE HERES... Hmm lets copy it and say its not heresy.

As per the Codex: Tau Empire, the Adeptus Mechanicus acknowledge that much of Tau tech is superior to that of the IoM, but it is ALL regarded as heresy. Any xenos technology is heresy.

Not very well I think. Having a conversation between a tech priest and a tau engineer would require a translator.

If I remember correctly, the Tau Codex connects their technology to the Spyrer hunting rigs used by the human nobility on Necromunda. Needless to say, that kind of tech is highly illegal, but when you're a noble you can get away with a lot of things ... to a certain degree.

I cannot cite the exact source but i believe one of the reasons for the Damocles Crusade was because IoM planets near the Tau territory were starting to trade for basic Tau technologies....farm equipment, tools, things of that sort. The AM anaylized this tech reasoning that Tau tech was close to IoM tech and sometimes better but that they did not obey the proper rights and rituals of the Machine Spirit. This is Heresy!!! But i do imagine the Earth Caste coming up with a damn fine espresso maker

Races stick with their own tech, except those who feel above restrictions like the inquisition who uses just everything they want.
Still you won't see mixed tech ( except the rumored heritage of the dreaded dreadknight ) and the =I= uses tech as is.

All Alien technology is heresy to the imperium I believe. I think the Imperium could understand Tau technology with some effort, but i doubt they would even try knowing the price for heresy...

Adaptive is a trait that a trait that I can best describe Tau technology, if the Tau were to interact with Imperial Technology, they would request aid from the Earth Caste and they would not have any trouble reverse engineering Imperial Machines. If a Fire Caste Expeditionary group were to encounter an Imperial communication relay on a planet, I could see them dispatching an earth caste drone equipped to interact with the relay terminal, similar to how R2D2 in Star Wars is able to fiddle with EVERYTHING (USB 1.0 anyone?). With this, they could perhaps be able to access the relay and be able to execute rudimentary commands, such as tapping into recordings of previous transmissions and such.

As for the Imperium... if it's Xenos., you usually purge it with holy bolter fire.

the Earth Caste and they would not have any trouble reverse engineering Imperial Machines.

Reverse engeneering isn't so easy.
There is a reason why scientists were moved from one country to another after wars.

Einhänder wrote:Adaptive is a trait that a trait that I can best describe Tau technology, if he Tau were to interact with Imperial Technology, they would request aid from the Earth Caste and they would not have any trouble reverse engineering Imperial Machines. If a Fire Caste Expeditionary group were to encounter an Imperial communication relay on a planet, I could see them dispatching an earth caste drone equipped to interact with the relay terminal, similar to how R2D2 in Star Wars is able to fiddle with EVERYTHING (USB 1.0 anyone?). With this, they could perhaps be able to access the relay and be able to execute rudimentary commands, such as tapping into recordings of previous transmissions and such.

I doubt that the Tau could do anything like this. If they could, they would have Multi-Meltas, infantry-sized Plasma Cannons and other nasty stuff used by their opponents.

I think many people overestimate Tau technology. I think that Tau is on par with the Orks in the terms of techieness. Actually, the two is like the mirror of each other: the Tau is all shiny and high-tech looking, but they have nothing special - while the Orks have all these messy and rag-tag tech that is actually pretty advanced (Kustom Force Fields to say one).

AtoMaki wrote:

Einhänder wrote:Adaptive is a trait that a trait that I can best describe Tau technology, if he Tau were to interact with Imperial Technology, they would request aid from the Earth Caste and they would not have any trouble reverse engineering Imperial Machines. If a Fire Caste Expeditionary group were to encounter an Imperial communication relay on a planet, I could see them dispatching an earth caste drone equipped to interact with the relay terminal, similar to how R2D2 in Star Wars is able to fiddle with EVERYTHING (USB 1.0 anyone?). With this, they could perhaps be able to access the relay and be able to execute rudimentary commands, such as tapping into recordings of previous transmissions and such.

I doubt that the Tau could do anything like this. If they could, they would have Multi-Meltas, infantry-sized Plasma Cannons and other nasty stuff used by their opponents.

I think many people overestimate Tau technology. I think that Tau is on par with the Orks in the terms of techieness. Actually, the two is like the mirror of each other: the Tau is all shiny and high-tech looking, but they have nothing special - while the Orks have all these messy and rag-tag tech that is actually pretty advanced (Kustom Force Fields to say one).

Not even close.

One, their basic infantry equipment. Extremely light weight carapace equivalent protection for the fire warriors, with hyper advanced targeting computers (Tau are like birds and prey animals, eyes on side of head-ish, not good for hunting/shooting. Which explains their god awful WS2), and ability to link into other systems for markerlight tech.

Pulse rifle. These are essentially man sized hadron accelerators. Pack as much punch as a heavy bolter, longer range than any other standard rifle, rapid fire capability.

Plasma weaponry. The tau's plasma technology surpasses the IOM's so far that they don't overheat and can maintain more accurate and longer bursts of fire, with a small sacrifice in strength of impact.

Smart missile systems, no need for line of site to target and fire and forget basically.

Jet pack suits. This one is killer. Lots can be said about space marines durability combined with power armor, but the suits even have an ejection system and can host much more tech on them.


I don't know a whole lot more, but the rest of their military tech is astounding compared to IOM, and that's completely discounting the non military technologies they have access too. They had 5000 years of uninterrupted evolution and cultural/technological advancement.

AtoMaki wrote:

Einhänder wrote:Adaptive is a trait that a trait that I can best describe Tau technology, if he Tau were to interact with Imperial Technology, they would request aid from the Earth Caste and they would not have any trouble reverse engineering Imperial Machines. If a Fire Caste Expeditionary group were to encounter an Imperial communication relay on a planet, I could see them dispatching an earth caste drone equipped to interact with the relay terminal, similar to how R2D2 in Star Wars is able to fiddle with EVERYTHING (USB 1.0 anyone?). With this, they could perhaps be able to access the relay and be able to execute rudimentary commands, such as tapping into recordings of previous transmissions and such.

I doubt that the Tau could do anything like this. If they could, they would have Multi-Meltas, infantry-sized Plasma Cannons and other nasty stuff used by their opponents.

I think many people overestimate Tau technology. I think that Tau is on par with the Orks in the terms of techieness. Actually, the two is like the mirror of each other: the Tau is all shiny and high-tech looking, but they have nothing special - while the Orks have all these messy and rag-tag tech that is actually pretty advanced (Kustom Force Fields to say one).

The Tau do utilize plasma technology, and they overcame the design limitations of the infamous "Gets Hot!" issue with plasma weapons. They do actually have weapons that are similiar to that of Multi-meltas and plasma cannons. But my point is that if Tau were to interact with Imperial technology, they would be able to at an extremely basic level, therefore they will be unable to exploit any higher forms of Imperial technology (Titan weapons, etc.). Unlike the Imperium, the Tau could utilize A.I to help interface some basic Imperial constructs but anything other than that is beyond Tau technology

1hadhq wrote:

the Earth Caste and they would not have any trouble reverse engineering Imperial Machines.

Reverse engeneering isn't so easy.
There is a reason why scientists were moved from one country to another after wars.

Perhaps the Earth Caste and willing human who are adept in machinery could exchange knowledge on a Tau controlled planet?

Einhänder wrote:
The Tau do utilize plasma technology, and they overcame the design limitations of the infamous "Gets Hot!" issue with plasma weapons. They do actually have weapons that are similiar to that of Multi-meltas and plasma cannons. But my point is that if Tau were to interact with Imperial technology, they would be able to at an extremely basic level, therefore they will be unable to exploit any higher forms of Imperial technology (Titan weapons, etc.). Unlike the Imperium, the Tau could utilize A.I to help interface some basic Imperial constructs but anything other than that is beyond Tau technology

Actually, while the Tau do utilize plasma technology, they do not overcam any design limitations. They just turned the power down, so it wont overheat. Tau codex pg 27 (top left corner, Plasma rifle) for fruther reference.

Whilte the Tau have weapons similar than Multi-Meltas and Plasma Cannons, they are:
a., Not exactly the same (maybe the Fusion Cannon is...)
b., Hammerhead mounted (they are big)
They are also recent developments. Reference: Imperial Armour vol 3, page 158 and 162.

Oh, and the Imperium also have a form of "A.I." in the shape of kogitators.

And i think the Tau's biggest problem with basic IoM tech is the usual "Where to pluck my datafeed on this thing" while standing in the front of an Earthshaker cannon. Or on a more IRL example: "Try to heck my Ak-47 with your IPod!".

BronzeJon wrote:

Not even close.

One, their basic infantry equipment. Extremely light weight carapace equivalent protection for the fire warriors, with hyper advanced targeting computers (Tau are like birds and prey animals, eyes on side of head-ish, not good for hunting/shooting. Which explains their god awful WS2), and ability to link into other systems for markerlight tech.

Pulse rifle. These are essentially man sized hadron accelerators. Pack as much punch as a heavy bolter, longer range than any other standard rifle, rapid fire capability.

Plasma weaponry. The tau's plasma technology surpasses the IOM's so far that they don't overheat and can maintain more accurate and longer bursts of fire, with a small sacrifice in strength of impact.

Smart missile systems, no need for line of site to target and fire and forget basically.

Jet pack suits. This one is killer. Lots can be said about space marines durability combined with power armor, but the suits even have an ejection system and can host much more tech on them.


I don't know a whole lot more, but the rest of their military tech is astounding compared to IOM, and that's completely discounting the non military technologies they have access too. They had 5000 years of uninterrupted evolution and cultural/technological advancement.

O RLY ?

Ulumeathi invented a counter to plasma. Does this make them superawesome ?
Nids countered plasma too -- somehow plasma isn't so great...and it is hinted at the nids attacking the ulumeathi...
OtoH the real plasma weapons have no "get hot issue" if you dare to look for them.
Imperial ones just accept the risk in exchange for strength.

Same for smart missiles. Consider the cost of a missile and the cost of artillery. Imperial artillery wins because its ammo is affordable in numbers your smart missiles could never hope to match.


GW isn't creative enough to hand out different weapons to everyone, so many things will be a " flamer", " melta" etc.
If they intend a techy approach, it doesn't mean you get what you feel entitled to. Read their release article. GW balanced the suits until they fit into the game-system. They will keep it that way and thus any imagined advance doesn't happen.
Culture for example has stayed pure TAU , even with these allies around. Didn't adapt anything there it seems.

Einhänder wrote:

Perhaps the Earth Caste and willing human who are adept in machinery could exchange knowledge on a Tau controlled planet?

Human tech is controlled by the adepts of the mechanicum, which secures its position of power through keeping it close to their chests.
So if they don't share with fellow humans, why should they with non-humans? They keep secrets amongst their own order too.!
The exchange would be limited by this, and the Tau like to have drones where humans work with their own hands.
What would they swap there? One side utilizing the masses, to keep them busy, the other utilizing tech to make up for their small numbers.

Apart from IA 3: the Taros campaign (human auxiliaries make use of Tau-manned Tau transports, IIRC, and the water caste emissaries convince the Taros colony to switch sides mainly with the promise of trading/donating them Tau Tech) and mention in the Tau Codex of florent trade of their techs to human worlds around the Damocles Gulf, the only examples of Tau/human tech interface come from not-completely-canonical sources, like BL books and FFG publications.

So, to answer your questions, Tau tech is probably, differently from Eldar (which make frequent use of psychic interfaces and command systems) one, usable by humans and compatible with human technology, with enough effort and technological knowledge (possibly from a collaboration of both sides).
On the other hand, while criminal elements or less dogmatic characters, like xeno inquisitors, may well accept their use, Tau tech is a heresy to be destroyed on sight for most members of the Cult Mechanicus, both for their use of non-organic AIs and their total lack of belief in the Machine Spirit (meaning no faith in the "spiritual" component of machines: so, no appeasing rituals, no praises, no purity scrolls and the like). Which doesn't mean that some of the more "original" Techpriests couldn't develop some secret interest in it...

thanks for all the feedback guys.

I know the imperium would consider it hersey, but when you look at all the ways in which other alien creatures such as the kroot and the human tau troops use tau tech at times to either improve their own or to replace their.

BronzeJon wrote:.
One, their basic infantry equipment. Extremely light weight carapace equivalent protection for the fire warriors, with hyper advanced targeting computers (Tau are like birds and prey animals, eyes on side of head-ish, not good for hunting/shooting. Which explains their god awful WS2), and ability to link into other systems for markerlight tech.

For this I agree but:

Pulse rifle. These are essentially man sized hadron accelerators. Pack as much punch as a heavy bolter, longer range than any other standard rifle, rapid fire capability.

It is more powerful then Lasgun but weaker then Bolter or Imperial Plasma gun, this Sister of Battle is a great proff of this:


It shows how Tau Pulse Rifle has little effect on Imperial Power Armor. Same thing you can see in the fluff if you read BL books regarding the Tau.

Plasma weaponry. The tau's plasma technology surpasses the IOM's so far that they don't overheat and can maintain more accurate and longer bursts of fire, with a small sacrifice in strength of impact.

Not quite. Tau Plasma is more stable to use but it is also weaker. And the reason why Imperial Plasma explode is not because the weapon is build faulty it is because in the heat of battle Marines and Guardsman alike forget to went the Plasma. Tau don't have that kind of problem because their Plasma is on lower energy level and thus wanting is not necessarily.

Smart missile systems, no need for line of site to target and fire and forget basically.

Every race has this except Orks, Necrons and Tyranids. Imperial call it Hunter-Killer missile that acts like smart missile system.

Jet pack suits. This one is killer. Lots can be said about space marines durability combined with power armor, but the suits even have an ejection system and can host much more tech on them.

Battlesuits are quite formidable foe, to this I agree. They can carry up to 2 weapons and have a great precision when firing in mid-air. But their numbers are limited and using the suit has bad influence on it's wielder. But where they are used you can be sure that they will do the damage.

I don't know a whole lot more, but the rest of their military tech is astounding compared to IOM

Imperium has Grey Knight, Custodes, Assassins, Titan Legions, Entire Space Marine Chapters,Tech Guard, Stormtrooper Regiments. Tau millitary is not quite astounding to how this millitary benches are.

They had 5000 years of uninterrupted evolution and cultural/technological advancement.

And as it is noted xxx times times in the Warp and time in the real space are quite different things. For all that we know it could be 12.000 years for the Tau and 6.000 for us.
Since all available data on that comes from Imperial perspective ( we have yet to hear Tau part on this ) we can't say for sure how many year did the Tau really spend evolving in their sense of time.

Brother Coa wrote:

And as it is noted xxx times times in the Warp and time in the real space are quite different things. For all that we know it could be 12.000 years for the Tau and 6.000 for us.
Since all available data on that comes from Imperial perspective ( we have yet to hear Tau part on this ) we can't say for sure how many year did the Tau really spend evolving in their sense of time.

They weren't in the Warp, it was a warp storm SURROUNDING the system.

It seems like you always try to discredit the Tau. Seriously, going around comparing Imperium technology to Tau technology and claiming Imperium comes out on top is just plain ignorance. Also, a single shot from a pulse rifle bouncing off a piece of power armour does not prove that pulse rifles are less powerful than bolters. In Path of the Warrior a String Scorpions shoves his chainsword right through the chest of a Space Marine.

Marzillius wrote:In Path of the Warrior a String Scorpions shoves his chainsword right through the chest of a Space Marine.

Draigo killed Bloodthrsted and reforge his own weapon using the material from Bloodthrster Axe, all while being in the Warp.
Therefore your argument is invalid.


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Marzillius wrote:
They weren't in the Warp, it was a warp storm SURROUNDING the system.

Warp affect large areas of space, entire Tau system was influenced by it because Warp storm surround the entire system.
Therefore everything inside was under the influence of the Warp, including time and space.

Draigo killed Bloodthrsted and reforge his own weapon using the material from Bloodthrster Axe, all while being in the Warp.
Therefore your argument is invalid.

...what? How on earth does that invalidate my argument? That's like if I said "David Cameron became Prime Minister of the United Kingdom" and you say "Obama became President of the United States so your argument is invalid".

Warp affect large areas of space, entire Tau system was influenced by it because Warp storm surround the entire system.
Therefore everything inside was under the influence of the Warp, including time and space.

Look. If a codex says that something happened in 5000 years, it happened in 5000 years. No reasoning on your part will change that. Claiming that it happened during a longer peroid of time is an obvious attempt to further discredit the Tau.

I would say that their tech is about equal with different focuses, similar to Soviet vs. American tech in the Cold War.

The Imperium is more like the Soviets, with overall a "lower" technological base, only because their technological focus was on efficiency and 'good enough.' They were also more innovative, using existing technology in new ways (see Explosive-Reactive Armor).

The Tau are more like America, with tanks and troops individually more powerful and useful than their Imperial counterparts thanks to their higher standards of technology and manufacture. However, the difference is not great enough to make up for the numbers disparity, because (for example) each Tau Hammerhead, while capable of engaging and destroying two Leman Russes, costs more than three Leman Russes to manufacture.

Brother Coa wrote:
It is more powerful then Lasgun but weaker then Bolter or Imperial Plasma gun, this Sister of Battle is a great proff of this:


It shows how Tau Pulse Rifle has little effect on Imperial Power Armor. Same thing you can see in the fluff if you read BL books regarding the Tau.

i dont know what "proff" is, but third party video game FMVs are hardly "proof". if you have the budget, you can animate anything you want. as for BL, its legitimacy is questionable a lot of the time (cough cs goto cough). most fluff mentions their "amazing" firepower though.

Brother Coa wrote:
Not quite. Tau Plasma is more stable to use but it is also weaker. And the reason why Imperial Plasma explode is not because the weapon is build faulty it is because in the heat of battle Marines and Guardsman alike forget to went the Plasma. Tau don't have that kind of problem because their Plasma is on lower energy level and thus wanting is not necessarily.

would you argue that eldar plasma is also less advanced? "moar dakka" does not necessarily mean more advanced.

Brother Coa wrote:
Battlesuits are quite formidable foe, to this I agree. They can carry up to 2 weapons and have a great precision when firing in mid-air. But their numbers are limited and using the suit has bad influence on it's wielder. But where they are used you can be sure that they will do the damage.

it can cause feedback. on a rarity of occassions. mostly though, only those who can deal with the surgery are given suits though. here is the thing though, if you're arguing failure rate here, or the problems that they cause as proof of their inferiority, then space marines must be absolutely terrible, considering their geneseed failure rate and they're hardly "rare". each manta has space for 8.

Brother Coa wrote:
Imperium has Grey Knight, Custodes, Assassins, Titan Legions, Entire Space Marine Chapters,Tech Guard, Stormtrooper Regiments. Tau millitary is not quite astounding to how this millitary benches are.

*shrug* So? in terms of numbers, and power then there are no arguments. the imperials have the single biggest military in the galaxy. but thats not the issue.

Grey Knights? admittedly, one of the most powerful (yet small) organisations in the galaxy. very advanced psionics. that said, in terms of their equipment, a lot of it is standard (or slightly modded) astartes pattern. in general though, the imperials (by dint of possessing psykers) have far superior psychic based technology.
Stormtrooper regiments are just well trained grunts, equipped with kmodified lasguns with backpack sized batteries. they're nothing particularly "advanced".
titans? a single AX-10 took down a warhound in iav3, and a single strafing run made the imperials pull the titans from the field entirely. are they advanced? Sure, i guess. same with the plasma/nuclear engines. they've got mind-link interfaces for one. tau dont have them, as they dont see the point. sure, they're big and stompy, but so are mantas, and manta missile destroyers. they require a lot of additional support (MASSIVE dropships to allow redeployment for example) and they are for the most part, slow, cumbersome and big targets. see again what a single AX10 did. they have lots of drawbakcs.

And as it is noted xxx times times in the Warp and time in the real space are quite different things. For all that we know it could be 12.000 years for the Tau and 6.000 for us.

Warp affect large areas of space, entire Tau system was influenced by it because Warp storm surround the entire system.
Therefore everything inside was under the influence of the Warp, including time and space.

the tau worlds were never "in" the warp. the area of space was cut off by warpstorms. regarding the second quote, no, its no strictly true only being "in" the warp or. in areas like the maelstrom, and the eye of terror where the warp spills over into realspace will you find the time/space distortions, you have the same phenomenon. if its only a warpstorm, there is no realspace effect, bar the fact that ships stop arriving as you cant get there.

personally, i hold the view that the best fire warriors are the equal of the best guard. which is a notable acheivement. tau veterans, armed with the right technology i feel are fully able to go toe to toe with their imperial counterparts. as for the tech itself, tau technology matches and even exceeds the imperials in quite a lot of areas, whilst not holding a candle to them in others (say, areas like psyonics)

No one school brother coa on this topic. He knows it all, but dosen't accept it or agree with it.

Indeed I do, and there is no point on agreeing with peopel who either

-don't understand what i am trying to say, or
-don't want to understand what I am trying to say

And I see that people again point to Tigershark bringing down Warhound ( the weakest and smallest of Titans ), while always expelling the fact that Tigershark was the only Tau unit that survived Imeprial assault. While Imperial had only light losses including the Titan.

I accept that Tau are formidable for and very advanced civilization. But Imeprium is more advanced only difference being it's share size that prevents them to replace Imperial Guard with only Space Marines. And while I agree that they can do a lot of damage ( as they demonstrated on Taros and Nimbosa ) that doesn't mean that Pulse rifle can tear trough Terminator armor like airplane trough cloud.

All Pulse Weapons are stronger than Bolters. Perhaps Heavy Bolters outclass them (I don't know their stat line), but the weakest Tau weapon aside from the Flamer and CIB is stronger than the Boltgun.

In game terms it essentially means that Fire Warriors make up for their crappy BS by wounding more often.

Tau dakka > Imperial dakka

Additionally, I (as a Tau player) never had a soldier die to his own weapon.

Brother Coa wrote:
It is more powerful then Lasgun but weaker then Bolter or Imperial Plasma gun, this Sister of Battle is a great proff of this:


It shows how Tau Pulse Rifle has little effect on Imperial Power Armor. Same thing you can see in the fluff if you read BL books regarding the Tau.

Do not use that Iron Lore abomination as evidence!

Have you noted that the 'plasma' is making the same noise as bullets being deflected? Such an awful expansion...

Could be a faith miracle anyhoo.





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I prefer the Ciaphas Cain description of the rounds being like little suns passing over his head; too bright to look at and the heat being projected onto him even as it passed by.

Brother Coa wrote:Indeed I do, and there is no point on agreeing with peopel who either

-don't understand what i am trying to say, or
-don't want to understand what I am trying to say

And I see that people again point to Tigershark bringing down Warhound ( the weakest and smallest of Titans ), while always expelling the fact that Tigershark was the only Tau unit that survived Imeprial assault. While Imperial had only light losses including the Titan.

I accept that Tau are formidable for and very advanced civilization. But Imeprium is more advanced only difference being it's share size that prevents them to replace Imperial Guard with only Space Marines. And while I agree that they can do a lot of damage ( as they demonstrated on Taros and Nimbosa ) that doesn't mean that Pulse rifle can tear trough Terminator armor like airplane trough cloud.

And you. Don't try to school tau fans about the tau. They already know more then you do about them.

Brother Coa wrote:Indeed I do, and there is no point on agreeing with peopel who either

-don't understand what i am trying to say, or
-don't want to understand what I am trying to say

And I see that people again point to Tigershark bringing down Warhound ( the weakest and smallest of Titans ), while always expelling the fact that Tigershark was the only Tau unit that survived Imeprial assault. While Imperial had only light losses including the Titan.

I accept that Tau are formidable for and very advanced civilization. But Imeprium is more advanced only difference being it's share size that prevents them to replace Imperial Guard with only Space Marines. And while I agree that they can do a lot of damage ( as they demonstrated on Taros and Nimbosa ) that doesn't mean that Pulse rifle can tear trough Terminator armor like airplane trough cloud.

Sometimes I just wish the forum rules would allow the posting of non-wargaming images. The "Dumb Bitch" rageface would be so fitting right now.

nomotog wrote:
And you. Don't try to school tau fans about the tau. They already know more then you do about them.

While that's true they obviously lack good info about Imperium. I am only here to fill up that gap.