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Does the ambush rule allow you to attach a independent character in reserve and then appear behind the enemy? In the FAQ it says that a IC on a warbike can do this but can you do this with a weirdboy or Ghazghkull?

As silly as it is, yeah Ghaz can ambush with snikrot per the FAQ.

You already could, as Snikrots rule extends to the unit which, as per p48 and 49 the IC is a normal member of.
THe FAQ for once doesnt change any rules

However I have *no* problems with anyone ever sticking ghaz in with snikrot - as you're not getting a turn 2 charge at least 50% of the time.

You can, though the entire unit will be destroyed if you roll tripple ones for their move, as Ghazghkull wouldn't be able to fully move onto the table by moving 1".

Jidmah, if a unit has a special rule that would prevent it from coming on the board, that rule is ignored when arriving from reserves.

So Ghaz has slow and purposeful, which is a special rule that could prevent him from coming on, thus he does not have slow and purposeful the turn he arrives from reserves.

However if you move them through terrain, you're back to rolling 3D6 and this *isnt* a unit special rule.

DevianID wrote:Jidmah, if a unit has a special rule that would prevent it from coming on the board, that rule is ignored when arriving from reserves.

So Ghaz has slow and purposeful, which is a special rule that could prevent him from coming on, thus he does not have slow and purposeful the turn he arrives from reserves.

Slow and purposeful does not prevent him from moving onto the board, moving through terrain and the resulting reduced movement speed does. Just like it would prevent a regular warboss from entering when he rolls tripple ones when trying to enter terrain the same turn he arrives.
Claiming that he "does not have" slow and purposeful while moving onto the board is nonsense. If that were true, S&P units would also lose relentless when arriving from reserves. Not relevant to orks, but to most slow and purposeful marine units.

My only question is how is he destroyed. What rule if you can find one.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:My only question is how is he destroyed. What rule if you can find one.

That if a model isn't 100% on the board, it's destroyed. iirc under the Reserves rules.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:My only question is how is he destroyed. What rule if you can find one.

Is the model entirely on the board? No. then that model is destroyed. BRB FAQ

Jidmah wrote:

Slow and purposeful does not prevent him from moving onto the board, moving through terrain and the resulting reduced movement speed does. Just like it would prevent a regular warboss from entering when he rolls tripple ones when trying to enter terrain the same turn he arrives.
Claiming that he "does not have" slow and purposeful while moving onto the board is nonsense. If that were true, S&P units would also lose relentless when arriving from reserves. Not relevant to orks, but to most slow and purposeful marine units.

The rules do say that any special rule the unit has which would prevent them from coming onto the board is ignored, so I actually disagree; Ghazghkull (and any S&P unit, such as Obliterators) loses the rule for the Movement phase in which they enter the board, if they walk on from a table edge; but, since it says 'would', that ONLY happens after you've already rolled, and seen that they would actually fail to make it. Which, yes, might mean they also lose the Relentless aspect in that case, as it's part of the same rule.

However, if you come on through Difficult Terrain and botch your DT roll so badly that the unit can't get on the board, you're destroyed, because that's not a special rule of the unit.

EDIT: Edited to actually make sense.

Yes snikrot and any boss have a larger than normal base size, and if the whole unit moves in 1 inch due to bad rolling (remember the whole unit has move through cover since an IC has it until he joins a unit that doesn't) then snikrot and any attached HQ's cannot move fully on the board and are destroyed. This was known but needed and FAQ to spell it out clearly to shut people up and stop vehicle abuse.

Right, but because Ghaz is not slow and purposeful when coming on from reserves, you only make a terrain test if you choose to move through terrain. At that point, I would say its your mistake for choosing to move through terrain from reserves, as you could kill yourself.

Wait, I'm confused, why is Ghaz not Slow & Purposeful when coming in from Reserves? More specifically, where is this rule found?

Edit. Nevermind. I found it.

DevianID wrote:Right, but because Ghaz is not slow and purposeful when coming on from reserves, you only make a terrain test if you choose to move through terrain. At that point, I would say its your mistake for choosing to move through terrain from reserves, as you could kill yourself.

Actually Ghaz IS slow and purposeful due to having Mega Armor. So no matter what, he is rolling 3D6 for movement.

Pg 94, Arriving from reserves, 2nd paragraph.

Happyjew wrote:Pg 94, Arriving from reserves, 2nd paragraph.

What part of that applies to Ghaz? What special rule tells him to move in a specific direction? Also, what special rule does he have that could stop him from moving?

If I've been gimping myself, I would like to know what part I understood wrong

He doesn't have S&P for the turn he enters the board - which means he just moves 6" on. That's been mentioned a few times in this thread.

rigeld2 wrote:He doesn't have S&P for the turn he enters the board - which means he just moves 6" on. That's been mentioned a few times in this thread.

You didn't answer my question. What removes his S&P when he enters the board?

The only rule that someone pointed out was arriving from reserves. But this says nothing about ignoring his S&P.

The exact wording is "If a unit has a special rule forcing it to move in a specific direction (such as 'rage', for example) or that could stop it from moving, the rule is ignored in the phase it arrives from reserve."

S&P doesn't force you to move in a direction, nor could it stop you from moving.

So I assume since S&P can't fulfill the above criteria you still have to roll for S&P when moving on to the board.

If you roll 3 1's you still move 1". Which leaves you with a portion of your base off the board.

I hadn't read the rule yet, so I was going off of what was posted. You're right - he won't lose S&P. Instead, he'll just die.

The paragraph right above it reads
"When a reserve unit arrives, it must move onto the table from the controlling player's own table edge"

The way I read it, there was a special rule that stopped it from moving onto the table edge, which is required from the arriving from reserves rule. You can not move off the table, just like you can not move onto or through enemy models or impassible terrain, so the model would not move in that situation, right? And if there is a special rule that could stop it from moving (because there is no valid move available to it) it is ignored. Slow and purposeful is a defined special rule.

DevianID wrote:The paragraph right above it reads
"When a reserve unit arrives, it must move onto the table from the controlling player's own table edge"

The way I read it, there was a special rule that stopped it from moving onto the table edge, which is required from the arriving from reserves rule. You can not move off the table, just like you can not move onto or through enemy models or impassible terrain, so the model would not move in that situation, right? And if there is a special rule that could stop it from moving (because there is no valid move available to it) it is ignored. Slow and purposeful is a defined special rule.

No. Nothing stops it from moving. You still roll 3D6 and take the highest. If you roll 3 1's, you still move 1" on to the board.

DevianID wrote:The paragraph right above it reads
"When a reserve unit arrives, it must move onto the table from the controlling player's own table edge"

The way I read it, there was a special rule that stopped it from moving onto the table edge, which is required from the arriving from reserves rule. You can not move off the table, just like you can not move onto or through enemy models or impassible terrain, so the model would not move in that situation, right? And if there is a special rule that could stop it from moving (because there is no valid move available to it) it is ignored. Slow and purposeful is a defined special rule.

There's a difference between stopping it from moving, and stopping it from moving far enough. S&P falls into the latter.

My point is that you cant move so that a model is half on the board. If you are surrounded on all sides by impassible terrain, you cant move right?

< Taken by the void dragon. >

And per the BRB, the reserve rules, the turn they arrive you ignore any special rule which restricts a unit's movement in such a way that it could prevent them from moving onto the table.

Mannahnin wrote:And per the BRB, the reserve rules, the turn they arrive you ignore any special rule which restricts a unit's movement in such a way that it could prevent them from moving onto the table.

No, you ignore rules that would dictate direction or could stop them moving at all. Nothing in the rules indicate you can ignore special rules that restrict how far you can move unless that rule could completely stop them moving.

..which invites the question, does preventing them from moving far enough to enter the table count as stopping them from moving?

Mannahnin wrote:..which invites the question, does preventing them from moving far enough to enter the table count as stopping them from moving?

No.

They are not being stopped from moving, they are just not moving far enough. 0" of movement =/= 1" movement.

But does not being able to move onto the table = 0" of movement? The models don't get to move onto the table.