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for a blood angels list.

2 10 man assault squads with 2x melta guns and powerfist

3 priests w jump packs

1 librarian with honour guard 4x plasma guns

i was thinking the rest could be th/ss assault terminators?

maybe even 2 squads of 10. 20 assault terminators would beable to ring some bells. i dont think even grey knights would want to deal with that in CC.

whats the best way to use them tho. foot slogging? one priest would stay back to give the whole mess feel no pain.

thoughts?

Best way to use them is to get them into cc and hit them with your beating sticks.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Best way to use them is to get them into cc and hit them with your beating sticks.

thats what i was thinking. land raiders would just be a point sink i think. the army would have no transports/tanks = no liability.

or even 30 assault terminators, they could just walk through almost anything. 6 psyleman dread could blast away at them all day and not really do anything.

Right, you really have to watch out for volume of fire. As an ig player, i dont waste plasma or meltas shooting at th/ss, just massed volleys of lasguns. Or a demolisher cannon or two. If nothing better is in range.

But you should knock the socks off any deathstars, except maybe paladins.


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Oh, if your facing gk, land raiders are decent, since your ba your landraiders are fast right? So you have a 26inch assualt range. Even if their not you have a 20inch assualt range.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Right, you really have to watch out for volume of fire. As an ig player, i dont waste plasma or meltas shooting at th/ss, just massed volleys of lasguns. Or a demolisher cannon or two. If nothing better is in range.

But you should knock the socks off any deathstars, except maybe paladins.

hm. volume of fire wouldnt be too much of a problem if a priest is there giving them all feel no pain.

actually the psyfleman would still be threatening, i forgot the strength is high enough to cause instant death which would cancel FNP. fricken grey knights

ya, template weapons would beable to hurt them.

But psylemen are str 8. So maybe land raiders would work better. They can only glance and just take extra armor so you always move.

Step One :
Find source of irritation.

Step Two :
Apply TH/SS termies vigorously to the inflamed area.

Step Three :
Enjoy the relaxing sensation of victory.

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:But psylemen are str 8. So maybe land raiders would work better. They can only glance and just take extra armor so you always move.

im not sure if it's worth it. for the cost of the land raider you could buy 5 more terminators with points left over.

a couple melta shots and it's done.

what does extra armour do exactly? does that make it AV 15?

kb305 wrote:

what does extra armour do exactly? does that make it AV 15?

It downgrades a certain glancing/pen result to another certain glance/pen result. That jog your memory? (Not being a dick, just trying to avoid posting rules whenever possible.)

kb305 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Right, you really have to watch out for volume of fire. As an ig player, i dont waste plasma or meltas shooting at th/ss, just massed volleys of lasguns. Or a demolisher cannon or two. If nothing better is in range.

But you should knock the socks off any deathstars, except maybe paladins.

hm. volume of fire wouldnt be too much of a problem if a priest is there giving them all feel no pain.

actually the psyfleman would still be threatening, i forgot the strength is high enough to cause instant death which would cancel FNP. fricken grey knights

ya, template weapons would beable to hurt them.

You think your opponent is going to see your army and NOT just kill your priest right away?

Also, your 30 TH/SS termies are going to cost 1200pts. For 1200 points your opponent can buy 240 IG. DO you think you could deal with 240 lasgun shots a turn? How about 480? Or ever 720 with FRFSRF. A turn.

This will be slow, this will be vulnerable and this will fall to dakka. If anything, your opponent can just tarpit them and laugh as the rest of oyur force is insufficient to knock them off an objective.

Also, they could just stay more than 6" away from your termies at all times and be safe. How will you catch a crisis suit? How about DE? Hell, necrons could outrun you.

im2randomghgh wrote:

kb305 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Right, you really have to watch out for volume of fire. As an ig player, i dont waste plasma or meltas shooting at th/ss, just massed volleys of lasguns. Or a demolisher cannon or two. If nothing better is in range.

But you should knock the socks off any deathstars, except maybe paladins.

hm. volume of fire wouldnt be too much of a problem if a priest is there giving them all feel no pain.

actually the psyfleman would still be threatening, i forgot the strength is high enough to cause instant death which would cancel FNP. fricken grey knights

ya, template weapons would beable to hurt them.

You think your opponent is going to see your army and NOT just kill your priest right away?

Also, your 30 TH/SS termies are going to cost 1200pts. For 1200 points your opponent can buy 240 IG. DO you think you could deal with 240 lasgun shots a turn? How about 480? Or ever 720 with FRFSRF. A turn.

This will be slow, this will be vulnerable and this will fall to dakka. If anything, your opponent can just tarpit them and laugh as the rest of oyur force is insufficient to knock them off an objective.

Also, they could just stay more than 6" away from your termies at all times and be safe. How will you catch a crisis suit? How about DE? Hell, necrons could outrun you.

i dont know. who cares. i never claimed that it was unbeatable.
how often does someone have 240 imperial guard. like never. most likely you'll be facing a small cheesed up grey knights force or some other meq.

maybe if the terminators were supported by devestators that would cover more bases.

kb305 wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

kb305 wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Right, you really have to watch out for volume of fire. As an ig player, i dont waste plasma or meltas shooting at th/ss, just massed volleys of lasguns. Or a demolisher cannon or two. If nothing better is in range.

But you should knock the socks off any deathstars, except maybe paladins.

hm. volume of fire wouldnt be too much of a problem if a priest is there giving them all feel no pain.

actually the psyfleman would still be threatening, i forgot the strength is high enough to cause instant death which would cancel FNP. fricken grey knights

ya, template weapons would beable to hurt them.

You think your opponent is going to see your army and NOT just kill your priest right away?

Also, your 30 TH/SS termies are going to cost 1200pts. For 1200 points your opponent can buy 240 IG. DO you think you could deal with 240 lasgun shots a turn? How about 480? Or ever 720 with FRFSRF. A turn.

This will be slow, this will be vulnerable and this will fall to dakka. If anything, your opponent can just tarpit them and laugh as the rest of oyur force is insufficient to knock them off an objective.

Also, they could just stay more than 6" away from your termies at all times and be safe. How will you catch a crisis suit? How about DE? Hell, necrons could outrun you.

i dont know. who cares. i never claimed that it was unbeatable.
how often does someone have 240 imperial guard. like never. most likely you'll be facing a small cheesed up grey knights force or some other meq.

maybe if the terminators were supported by devestators that would cover more bases.

That was so entirely not the point of my post it's hilarious.

I was giving an example of what someone could get for 1200 points. TH/SS termies just aren't as scary. I could (almost) get a reaver titan for that many points.

TH/SS terminators on foot is, honestly, almost never a good idea. In a BA list it's a somewhat less bad idea than for Codex Marines, but it's still not great.

The problem is that TH/SS Terminators are 40 points, don't get a whole lot of attacks (meaning they simply cannot deal with hordes), and die like flies to weight of fire. It takes 6 wounds (assuming no AP2), on average, to kill a Terminator. That means that Space Marines drop 1 Terminator for every 18 bolter shots, Orks drop a Terminator for every 36 shoota shots, and IG drop a Terminator for every 36 lasgun shots. Against DE you have it even worse, because they have a ton of Poisoned weapons that will commonly get a re-roll to wound.

Those numbers sound pretty good, right? The problem is that you have no ranged weapons, and without transports you have no way of catching the shooters. 20 Ork Boyz will kill, on average, one of your Terminators with every turn of shooting, and they can keep that up basically as long as they like, because you can't do anything to them. Then, as soon as they decide they've softened you up enough, they close in and charge. You lose.

IG simply wait for you to close within 12", issue FRFSRF, and drown you in lasgun fire. Of course, you'll have lost a few models on your way in, as well; if you have no vehicles, any weapon that isn't busily massacring your Librarian and his Honor Guard (who are really quite vulnerable) is just tossing shots into the Termies. They'll fail saves eventually.

Assault Terminators are not a generalist unit. They're highly, highly specialized; they win combats against other deathstars. That's ALL they do; they simply cannot fight anything else with any semblance of effectiveness. IN order to fight deathstars with them, you need to reach charge range without losing models to fire, and that means Land Raiders really are necessary if you want to use them.