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well I was wondering because I was In this 40k battle that was HQ's only and was wondering who should win. POM is quite good but In a leader brawl there Is not enough enemys to spawn ripper reinforcements with. Hive tyrant whith aheavy venom cannon,LWhip & BSword,armoured shell and regen( most people say this is naff but I dont) = BEAST! I have never used any other HQ though so I was wondering what do you think is best!

Creed and his lovely little Tactical Genius rule. Scouting Titans anyone?

My BT Marshal: Terminator armour, TH+SS, Adamantine mantle. come on the Failaddon, make my day...

kshaw2000 wrote:well I was wondering because I was In this 40k battle that was HQ's only and was wondering who should win. POM is quite good but In a leader brawl there Is not enough enemys to spawn ripper reinforcements with. Hive tyrant whith aheavy venom cannon,LWhip & BSword,armoured shell and regen( most people say this is naff but I dont) = BEAST! I have never used any other HQ though so I was wondering what do you think is best!

Ah, but no invulnerable save means that a hive tyrant on his own is likely to be shot to pieces by any army with decent heavy weapons. He is very tough in cc, especially with paroxysm which is great. For example a tank unloading its entire load into a hive tyrant will likely kill it or cripple it.

However, there are many, many stronger HQs. Obviously Kaldor Draigo would be high in the list, the Sanguinor, Mephiston, Grimnar, Lysander, any greater daemon, avatar, chaos lords, DE archon, the new Necron lords, these are just the few that come to mind. IIRC all these have some kind of invulnerable save.

Ghazghkull - there we go.

Saint Celestine.

If we're talking striaght 1v1 hq battle them I'm saying Swarmlord.

If we're talking for a regular 40K game I think Company Command Squads.

Hmmmmm I am just trying out POM but apparently for 1 squad (asume it is a HQ with bodyguards) could make up to 19 ripper reinforcements. wish me luck when using him or even better him + my heavy tyrant.

out to cause some chaos.

Bloodthirster, just because of the FW model

If this is just 1 HQ choice vs 1 HQ choice, I would go with a pair of SW Rune Priests

Hq vs Hq? Catellan Crowe. Yes he is a liability in army play, but was made to win in hq vs hq. Rapier strike means he goes first. 8 Ws is pretty mean, and blade shield if you want to be defensive. If all else fails and he goes down, it still isn't over, heroic sacrifice means he can still get a tie.

yup, I basically use Crowe as an Assassin.


O'dear me, you say you have this big nasty of Doom? Ok, Crowe is now trolling you. O'you killed him, now youre dead too!

Fateweaver.
Sure he won't win any brawl with outright muscle, but he auto-kills anyone on a 6 at worst and comes with a nifty re-rollable 3++.

Skulltaker on his jugger is pretty damn mean too - rending instant death wounds on a 4+ anyone?!

If we're talking about best UNITS, then I'd say a guard CCS squad with straken, nork, and all the advisers. A marine with an at-initiative initiative eviscerator with furious charge and fearless attached to 9 ablative wounds and a super-ogryn in a squad that can have 4, twin-linked plasma guns (or 4 twin-linked melta, or 2 twin-linked something and a twin-linked lascannon or other heavy weapon).

Archon with Shadow field, blast pistol and a huskblade&soulstealer/agoniser

Imperial Guard CCS for sure. They can pack a tonne of firepower, can be given a myriad of equipment/characters that support your entire army while debilitating your enemy's, and then can use orders in game to further support your army. You'd be hard pressed to find any unit in the game that does so much.

My vote would go to the Farseer.

Possibly the best support HQs in the game, their variety of powers can improve any Eldar force twofold.

Iranna.

lol Too bad Arjak Rockfist isn't an HQ unit.....I've put him up against a bunch of these guys, result? Good freakin luck.

Rampage wrote:Ghazghkull - there we go.

I have to agree here. Ghaz is a beast when he calls the Waaagh!

Necron Lord. (old codex)
-Warscythe
-resurection orb

Maybe blood angels for mephiston

Fafnir wrote:Imperial Guard CCS for sure. They can pack a tonne of firepower, can be given a myriad of equipment/characters that support your entire army while debilitating your enemy's, and then can use orders in game to further support your army. You'd be hard pressed to find any unit in the game that does so much.

And they can add Creed for hilarious outflanking and ridiculous orders range.

O'Shava

Lets hear it for 20 suits (17 crisis, 3 broadside) and troop alotment for under 2k pts.

The Haemonculi are great for giving your squad an extra bit of toughness (and crazy firepower at points), and for a low cost as well. However, in terms of shere strength as an HQ, my vote would most likely go to ghazzy or kharne.

Sparks_Havelock wrote:Creed and his lovely little Tactical Genius rule. Scouting Titans anyone?

As well as regimental advisors giving +1 to reserve rolls and re-rolling scout, and -1 reserves to enemy, then add 4 BS4 plasma guns.
CCS is versitile and powerful, I'd vote for them.

Yes, but a LOT of people here seem to be missing the OP's point. This isn't a thread about "best HQ in general", it's "best HQ in a one-on-one fight".

The fact that ghaz gives waaugh, and that guard advisers give meta buffs doesn't mean much here.

tervigon anyone? why does everyone say regen sucks? my HT took 3 wounds, next turn he got them all back. whats more another wound was dealt to him the turn so It would have blown him to peices.

YOU WERE ONLY SPOSED TO BLOW THE BLOODY LASHWHIP AND BONESWORD OFF!

I do not know why I just made that quote.

SWs...

Wolf Lord
Runic armor
Wolf tooth necklace
Thunderwolf mount
Frost blade
Storm shield
Saga of the bear

Ailaros wrote:Yes, but a LOT of people here seem to be missing the OP's point. This isn't a thread about "best HQ in general", it's "best HQ in a one-on-one fight".

The fact that ghaz gives waaugh, and that guard advisers give meta buffs doesn't mean much here.

Well, Ghaz's Waaagh! gives him a 2++ save, so it kinda does matter.

I don't think there's a lot of HQs in the game that can take Ghaz 1 on 1 in CC if he puts up his Waagh!. The only ones I can think of are Brotherhood Champions and Crowe, and it's kinda a Pyrrhic Victory.

Swarmlord is pretty dang good if your talking cc since with his guard can just maul folks. Ah your ws 1 too bad AND reroll your passed saves so even guys like Abaddon, Draigo etc can eat it. Mephsiton is sol vs him. Overall its hard to say since they things like farseer are superb along with many others but with my recent run ins with swarmie I have to give him a nod for just mean ass hq.