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Hi All,

Are there any opinions out there for the best army based on the following criteria and requirements?
1. Good Looking
2. not a whole lot of $$$ or a thousand units.
3. Fun to play with a wide variety of tactics.

I play Orkz (40k) and they are fairly versatile, but mostly run towards enemy, shoot, assault, pray you are still alive. Looking for a Fantasy Army to start up that is semi competitive, extremely awesome to paint with prefferably extremely highly detailed models that are a bit bigger and more badass looking than others that is not too expensive to get into.

Ogre Kingdoms looked pretty sweet, but I just don't really want a just run at you and attack play style. I was hoping to go for magic, feinting, maybe some dirty tricks sorta play style. A Dragon or big awesome creature is a must have in the army. Especially if there is a cool looking character riding it. (The bretonians Green Knight is pretty sweet, but so is the StoneHorn)

~Dave

Thought this was another "which army is the most competitive" thread.

Ogres can play straight up frontal charges, but with the new book their options have really expanded. You can run shooty Ogre lists and still be quite competitive. Additionally, they have a strong magic phase. Gnoblars and Sabretusks also allow you to pull off some feints in deployment, as well as movement.

Failing that, Warriors of Chaos can offer some feints with their Fastcav and Warhounds, as well as looking dead 'ard to boot.

Ogres or WoC with a chosenstar fit low model and look good. Prob with WoC builds is they can flood the board with maruaders which is cheap pt wise but not dollar wise lol.

You might enjoy Dark Elves or High Elves.

Either WoC or Ogres seems to git your demands. The elfs excluding Wood Elfs are also decent enough

Ogres have feints (sabretooths which are a must in competitive lists), shooting (ironblasters, leadbelchers), hellheart is a seriously dirty trick, ogre magic is pretty good, firebellys or slaughtermasters are pretty effective and being ogres are a lot less squishy then most wizards

Ogres will fit your needs.

Awesome, that pretty much settles it I think. I'll start building up some Ogres

They do look pretty hard core. So I've been hearing a lot about these sabertooths. Anybody got a picture of one? What sort of feint tactics do they do?

What sorts of magic is available to the orgres?

Thanks,
~Dave

Ogres have access to the Lore of Gut Magic, Beasts, Fire (through Firebellies) and maybe Death, I'm not sure.

Essentially, you can either focus on buffing your troops (With Beasts or Gut Magic) so that they hit harder, are tougher to kill, or both, really. Or you can focus on killing your enemies (Death and Fire)

Cryonicleech wrote:Ogres have access to the Lore of Gut Magic, Beasts, Fire (through Firebellies) and maybe Death, I'm not sure.

Essentially, you can either focus on buffing your troops (With Beasts or Gut Magic) so that they hit harder, are tougher to kill, or both, really. Or you can focus on killing your enemies (Death and Fire)

Slaughtermasters get Maw (ogre lore) along with Death, Beast and... Heavens. Yeah, heavens.
Firebellies get fire.
Between those 5 lores, you have a very decent mix going for the magic phase.

Gnoblars are the single best redirecting unit in the game. 25 points for 10 guys, who don't panic anyone. I run 4 to 8 units of 10, just to get in the way and flood half the table. Sabre Tusks run up the other flank, and the Ogres beat down what gets caught in between.

-Matt

DrCrook wrote:
Ogre Kingdoms looked pretty sweet, but I just don't really want a just run at you and attack play style. I was hoping to go for magic, feinting, maybe some dirty tricks sorta play style. A Dragon or big awesome creature is a must have in the army. Especially if there is a cool looking character riding it. (The bretonians Green Knight is pretty sweet, but so is the StoneHorn)

~Dave

I'm surprised Skaven haven't come up-and hear me out, before anyone flips on me. Everything you're requesting is possible with these guys. Low model count? How 'bout a Bell and some Plague Furnaces, Hellpits, Censor Bearers, Stormvermin, Doom Wheel, etc. You don't need hordes of units. you want magic, feints, dirty tricks? Um...that's Skaven specialty right there. Their magic is great, they're the most underhanded army, and they're tough-if used right. A big awesome creature? Go look at that Hellpit! And the Screaming Bell is great too. They have awesome options, and they're a blast to play. You can do a low model count army that's effective. Hellpits are very hard to deal with, unless you have a dedicated fire-based unit. I highly recommend them.

Woc or ogres.
Low model count strong army books, cool models including some really new models with super details.

Go with the models you like and then the game play if you want to pla). If you want to do it for looks and theme go with models then fluff then play style.

I'd have to put High Elves in the ring for this one, they're as bad-ass looking as WoC or Ogres, but I think they are good looking, definatly not a thousand units and have a very wide variety of tactics.

I'm not 100% on the new army book, but I know with my elves in the previous edition you could have an entirely mounted army, or all out ranged or blocks of spearmen/elite infantry. They easily have the most versatile magic in the game, maybe other than Lizardmen, being able to take any of the 8 lores or High Magic.

just my 2 coppers

timetowaste85 wrote:

DrCrook wrote:
Ogre Kingdoms looked pretty sweet, but I just don't really want a just run at you and attack play style. I was hoping to go for magic, feinting, maybe some dirty tricks sorta play style. A Dragon or big awesome creature is a must have in the army. Especially if there is a cool looking character riding it. (The bretonians Green Knight is pretty sweet, but so is the StoneHorn)

~Dave

I'm surprised Skaven haven't come up-and hear me out, before anyone flips on me. Everything you're requesting is possible with these guys. Low model count? How 'bout a Bell and some Plague Furnaces, Hellpits, Censor Bearers, Stormvermin, Doom Wheel, etc. You don't need hordes of units. you want magic, feints, dirty tricks? Um...that's Skaven specialty right there. Their magic is great, they're the most underhanded army, and they're tough-if used right. A big awesome creature? Go look at that Hellpit! And the Screaming Bell is great too. They have awesome options, and they're a blast to play. You can do a low model count army that's effective. Hellpits are very hard to deal with, unless you have a dedicated fire-based unit. I highly recommend them.

Having bajillion point Skaven army I have to say they are not overly low model count friendly, certainly not as good at it as other armies.

Hah. All of them sound so good and look pretty awesome. That's really my biggest problem.

On the cheap side OK, or WoC will be for you, and the battalions are sweet for both of those armies.
HE/DE can fit your requirements too, but will be more expensive cash-wise.
Demons are another army that would fit; the battalion is good, and model count is so low it's almost sad. Demons still wreck shop in CC though, but don’t do attrition very well.
Skaven wouldn't work too well as low cost/low count army. I won't derail the thread by going too far into it, but it boils down to even Toy-Hammer skaven lists are packing 200 rats, not what I'd call low model count for an army.

To stay competitive with a Skaven list the average list keeps 1 guy per 10pts, meaning you should aim for a minimum of 200 guys in a 2000pt list etc. Just adding that in there. Skaven do need there rat-pits regardless of the list your trying to run slaves are essential and at only 2pts each its foolish to not take at least 100+ in multiple units of 50+ to remain competitive. Just adding that in there - My skaven list runs 240 slaves, 60 clanrats in just 2000pts. I still fit in storm vermin, grey seer a several weapons teams, multiple cannons and aboms as well. I don't think, while skaven are versatile. That they will really fit into what your looking for.

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That out~, I would have to say that WoC, ogres and possibly empire if your looking for a list that doesn't just "run at you".

Elves too I guess, but I'm not a fan of them

What about Daemons of Chaos? They can even roll over and play 40k too, which is pretty sweet. Tzeench and Nurgle, don't know anything about their play style in 40k or fantasy, but I would imagine magicky and poisony and slow and interesting spells that might seem like they are useless at first glance but just fun to catch somebody with.

By stay competitive, I mean not loose against another fluff, fun, mainly play because I like to have a cool looking army type guys who take a similiar approach. I expect to lose 10/10 against hard core tourney guys. I just don't care enough to be like that.

Nurgle has metal models for core :( And they aren't especially good in WHFB.

DoC is a powerful army, but it's not extremely diverse. The good units that are good are really good. The bad units that are bad are pretty bad. So you pretty much have 3 DoC armies that match out of every 4.