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2012/02/19 13:15:01
Subject: Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
The forceful nature by which some in Dakka OT have justified their political stances in recent threads as being "based in Christianity" led me to seek out some of this wisdom for myself.
CptJake wrote:So using your example, I guess by going to the site I find a lot of out of context quotes?
I'll skip it.
Each picture has a clickable link to source material, many of which include videos of the individuals in question saying said quotes, news stories in which they are quoted, etc.
But yes, YOU should skip it...
Denial IS a key strategy that false-Christians employ.
These are quotes by false Christians who claim to love the bible and its teachings yet through their actions and words blaspheme said teachings as they twist its meaning to fuel their own bigoted and devisive political agendas. I'm pretty sure that ISN'T what Jesus would do...
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Seeing that Romney's point was that there IS a functioning safety net for the poor, and that he was willing to fix any perceived problems with that existing and functioning safety net so he (if he wins) could focus on rebuilding the middle class that is struggling, the quote is way out of context.
Romney actually gives his money to charities that help the poor in a much greater percent of his income than the current POTUS, so he seems willing to back up his beliefs.
Also, I really don't see him using his religion to push his politcal agenda, so the whole OP is a strawman to begin with.
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2012/02/19 15:53:14
Subject: Re:Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
Be sure to share these with your Tea Party buddies
Matthew 19:21
Luke 12:33
Mark 10:21
Romans 13:6
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2012/02/19 16:07:53
Subject: Re:Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
Oh god, I have been a democrat for far to long! I'm going to hell!
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2012/02/19 17:31:24
Subject: Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
CptJake wrote:Romney actually gives his money to charities that help the poor in a much greater percent of his income than the current POTUS
Romney also makse a much higher amount of money than the current PotUS, due to his running companies in the ground and all.
A person who makes more money can afford to give more as a percentage than one who makes less. This is why we have a progressive tax instead of a flat tax (which would actuallly be regressive in effect).
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2012/02/19 18:55:15
Subject: Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
I don't think Romney's comments were indefensible, by any means, but I do see a significant irony in any self-identified Christian saying that they don't need to speak about the plight of the poor, because someone else is going to.
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Mannahnin wrote:I don't think Romney's comments were indefensible, by any means, but I do see a significant irony in any self-identified hypocrite saying that they don't need to speak about the plight of the poor, because someone else is going to.
So the religo-politicians are at it again, huh? Alright!!! You all know that all of these books that you people say is the "Word of God" are at best dictated by God to mortals, who probably didn't get it right and on top of that made a few corrections along the way, because "I might have heard wrong and I'm sure that's what God really meant to say", and at worse are an example of "Hey, let's tell people that the reason why we tell them what to do is because we're just humble servants passing on the word of some invisible, all-powerful man in the sky." Right? Flame away.
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2012/02/19 19:10:48
Subject: Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
The OP calls other people trolls on a semi-daily basis; today he posts a troll thread. Way to "practice what you preach", as it were.
I agree, in general, with the sentiment that people pick and choose what it is convenient for them to believe from their respective religious texts, but for some reason I don't get the "Let's discuss this issue reasonably" vibe from this thread.
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2012/02/19 19:44:11
Subject: Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
Monster Rain wrote:The OP calls other people trolls on a semi-daily basis; today he posts a troll thread. Way to "practice what you preach", as it were.
The bar was lowered many many many threads ago by the usual suspects, so what is good for the goose and all that.
Hopefully the faux-Christians that populate this forum can find it in their heart to forgive me...
Monster Rain wrote:That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Nothing? As usual...
Fairly sure he was accusing you of trolling...
I mean even i can see that...
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2012/02/19 20:09:34
Subject: Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
Monster Rain wrote:That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Nothing? As usual...
Bottom line: these faux Christians like those highlighted in that site seem to forget we live in a modern era in which tape recorders and video cameras and the internet record everythign they say and make it readily available for the world to see.
So when you claim so strongly to be something, but then your every word and action are not in line with what you claim to be people are rightfully going to point out the hypocrisy.
Any true Christian, or any person with some sene of ethics/morality could not possibly see these people as righteous and faithful Christians, yet they support them as they blaspheme that which they claim to represent...
Monster Rain wrote:That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Nothing? As usual...
Fairly sure he was accusing you of trolling...
I mean even i can see that...
Yeah he accuses me of that on a "semi-daily" basis...
Doesn't change the fact that the site collects the statements of self-described Christians for analysis and that much of these comments are anything but...
So we can keep discussing what a bad man I am for highlighting the site ( a useful distraction to be sure), or we can discuss the site and the content: particularly the reacuring themes of intolerance, bigotry, mysogeny, racial hatred, homophobia, and paranoia that form the basis of much of what these people spew...
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CT, MR has a point in that there are better and worse ways to raise and discuss these kind of things.
"What's good for the goose is good for the gander" is more or less pretending that two wrongs make a right. Just because I think someone else is a jerk does not justify being a jerk in response. You'll have more success seizing the moral high ground if you make your point with more courtesy and less anger.
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Mannahnin wrote:CT, MR has a point in that there are better and worse ways to raise and discuss these kind of things.
"What's good for the goose is good for the gander" is more or less pretending that two wrongs make a right. Just because I think someone else is a jerk does not justify being a jerk in response. You'll have more success seizing the moral high ground if you make your point with more courtesy and less anger.
I posted a link to a site and made a claim about the lack of christian behavior in the self-described Christians in question.
Remind me again who then posted not to discuss the site but to call me a troll?
Notice again who it is that continues (multiple posts now) to only address me and not the subject at hand...
I don't plan to respond further to MR, because he clearly wants to take the thread off the rails.
It would be nice if you as a MOD might assist in asking people to stay on topic and dealing with those who don't.
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CT, your first post was probably fine (though the line "A collection of true quotes from some of our geatest modern "Christian" thinkers... " is perhaps a bit belligerent). Your second post (the response to Cpt Jake) made it look like you were seeking a fight.
If you want to have a polite discussion about what appears to be a conflict between Christian doctrine and the politics of people who present themselves as Christians in current US politics, that's certainly legitimate fodder for discussion. But I can see why Christians like MR would be cautious about this, and not want to participate if the thread seems like an excuse for a fight. I'd like to see the thread involve polite discussion. If that doesn't happen, whoever is preventing that needs to take responsibility. You are correct that one of the Dakka rules is to stay on topic. But Rule #1 is to keep it courteous.
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moom241 wrote:Kind of funny. Religion shouldn't be used to power a political agenda.
I use religion for my political reasoning all the time, Doing what jesuses would have wanted. Help the poor, Promote tolerance and understanding and realising that no matter how a person acts there is still a human being in them that deserves respects from all.
Alot of problems would be solved if we respected one another and where able to look past our differences and face a common ground.
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2012/02/19 21:17:50
Subject: Tea Party Jesus: The words of "Christians" in the mouth of Christ
Mannahnin wrote:
discussion about what appears to be a conflict between Christian doctrine and the politics of people who present themselves as Christians in current US politics,
yes, that is what we need to discuss.
Can't wait to see what peoples thoughts are on it, especially in relation to the body of public quotations the linked site has collected.
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hotsauceman1 wrote:
I use religion for my political reasoning all the time, Doing what jesuses would have wanted. Help the poor, Promote tolerance and understanding and realising that no matter how a person acts there is still a human being in them that deserves respects from all.
All legtimate ways to incorporate positive Christian values into political reasoning.
Sadly many of the people quoted and many of the quotes themselves fall far short of this...
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I've been enjoying reading the stories this weekend of Santorum basically saying the President isn't really a Christian, then backpedaling while still trying to say "yeah, that is what I meant".
He was also asked why during one of those speeches why when an woman at a town hall said that the President was a Muslim that he didn't try to explain to her that he wasn't and his was response was that he can't "correct everyone that disagrees with him". As we know, when someone says that 2+2=5, it really is a disagreement, not just being wrong.
If he actually gets the nomination it will be a lock on President Obama getting a second term.
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