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hi, i just started dwarfs and was wandering why everyone is saying to go with the GW and not the shields. i understand the difference, but my question is this: the book says you may ALSO take shields as well as saying you may ALSO take GW. so can you take both the shield+GW, or no? i know you cant use the GW and the shield in cc, but they will do much better surviveing shooting, as well as haveing that 3+ save in cc if you use the shield (heavy armour+shield+hand weapon/shield.) its the same points for a quarreller, but you get GW and shield saves.

ok, thanks. i had only seen last edition rulebook so far and that was what happened with the shiled in cc. the ward save must have replaced it. i was just hopeing to get my warriors to be more survivable but have the ability to kill stuff better.