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Ok so I'm helping my nephews start an Ork army and they want to know, if you upgrade ork boys with shootas dose the entire mob have to take them? or can some just keep there sluggas and choppas?

Pretty sure its a squad wide swap with only the Nob allowed to be an exception to it (he is armed seperately).

i.e.

Either you use a Shoota Mob or a Slugga Mob

but either can have a choppa/slugga Nob

The entire group must trade one way or another. Keep in mind you can always upgrade the one boy he bought a big shoota for to a nob, to get the nob a big shoota and whatever else he want's to take.

ok cool thanks

hawmigawd, its written in front of you you leh!

It says "you may choose to swap out the entire mobs sluggas for shootas"

Melcavuk wrote:Pretty sure its a squad wide swap with only the Nob allowed to be an exception to it (he is armed seperately).

i.e.

Either you use a Shoota Mob or a Slugga Mob

but either can have a choppa/slugga Nob

"one boy may be upgraded from a boy to a nob"

How do you arm the nob with a shoota? It says he may swap out his choppa for a PK etc, but how does he get a shoota? The only way I can see that going is if the squad upgrades to shootas, a boy becomes a nob with shoota, but then he doesn't have a chopper to swap with a PK (since the optimal settup is PK/BP/shoota).

On the other hand, could you not upgrade a boy to be a big shoota boy, then upgrade the same boy to be a nob? If its a slugga boy then he would have a chopper and a big shoota, so as a nob he could have a big shoota PK and BP

Jihallah wrote:hawmigawd, its written in front of you you leh!

It says "you may choose to swap out the entire mobs sluggas for shootas"

"one boy may be upgraded from a boy to a nob"

How do you arm the nob with a shoota? It says he may swap out his choppa for a PK etc, but how does he get a shoota? The only way I can see that going is if the squad upgrades to shootas, a boy becomes a nob with shoota, but then he doesn't have a chopper to swap with a PK (since the optimal settup is PK/BP/shoota).

On the other hand, could you not upgrade a boy to be a big shoota boy, then upgrade the same boy to be a nob? If its a slugga boy then he would have a chopper and a big shoota, so as a nob he could have a big shoota PK and BP

Wow, that is indeed a viable build.
36 points buys you a Nob as part of a Boyz Mob - with a slugga, a big shoota AND a PK. One very versatile Nob, but he's the same cost as 6 boyz. Is that worth it?

Quote from the Boyz entry in the 4E Orks Codex, in relation to the first poster's question:
"The entire mob may replace their sluggas and choppas with shootas . . . Free"
It's all or nothing.

those 6 boyz can't reliably bring down a tank, or give an enemy walker something to sweat about in hand-to-hand combat. So yeah, definitely worth it

Nob+PK+BP are already 36 points. It provides you with means to take down vehicles reliably, makes your boyz win combat against marines and other well-armored foes, enables you to instant-death multi-wound models, makes boyz dangerous to MCs and allows you to reroll failed moral checks. As this is mandatory for any boyz mob(one of the few things no one would ever argue), why not put that special weapon on the model you'd want to lose last anyways? Except for very few models in the entire game, your opponent will not be able to shoot that nob down before all boyz are dead anyways.

Jidmah wrote:Nob+PK+BP are already 36 points. It provides you with means to take down vehicles reliably, makes your boyz win combat against marines and other well-armored foes, enables you to instant-death multi-wound models, makes boyz dangerous to MCs and allows you to reroll failed moral checks. As this is mandatory for any boyz mob(one of the few things no one would ever argue), why not put that special weapon on the model you'd want to lose last anyways? Except for very few models in the entire game, your opponent will not be able to shoot that nob down before all boyz are dead anyways.

A Nob with a PK and Slugga is 31 points:
Base cost for 1 Boy: 6 points
Upgrade him to Nob: 10 points
Replace his choppa with a PK: 25 points

The Big Shoota adds the extra 5 points.

NimbleJack3 wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Nob+PK+BP are already 36 points. It provides you with means to take down vehicles reliably, makes your boyz win combat against marines and other well-armored foes, enables you to instant-death multi-wound models, makes boyz dangerous to MCs and allows you to reroll failed moral checks. As this is mandatory for any boyz mob(one of the few things no one would ever argue), why not put that special weapon on the model you'd want to lose last anyways? Except for very few models in the entire game, your opponent will not be able to shoot that nob down before all boyz are dead anyways.

A Nob with a PK and Slugga is 31 points:
Base cost for 1 Boy: 6 points
Upgrade him to Nob: 10 points
Replace his choppa with a PK: 25 points

The Big Shoota adds the extra 5 points.

A nob can not take a big shoota. When you replace the boy for the nob, you get the nob's default wargear (which is a choppa and slugga) and option to upgrade from there. It states he may replace his choppa for a big choppa or PK, and may take a bosspole and/or 'eavy armor.

helium42 wrote:

NimbleJack3 wrote:
A Nob with a PK and Slugga is 31 points:
Base cost for 1 Boy: 6 points
Upgrade him to Nob: 10 points
Replace his choppa with a PK: 25 points

The Big Shoota adds the extra 5 points.

A nob can not take a big shoota. When you replace the boy for the nob, you get the nob's default wargear (which is a choppa and slugga) and option to upgrade from there. It states he may replace his choppa for a big choppa or PK, and may take a bosspole and/or 'eavy armor.

Are you sure? The basic wargear, for a Nob specifically, isn't listed in the Boyz entry - and I've been told that you can't take wargear from the actual Nobz listing under Elites, so I imagine you can't use any rules from there at all. The rules around this are very loose, and there's nothing to say that you can't retain the Big Shoota, but I realise that I may actually be wrong here.

NimbleJack3 wrote:

Jidmah wrote:Nob+PK+BP are already 36 points. It provides you with means to take down vehicles reliably, makes your boyz win combat against marines and other well-armored foes, enables you to instant-death multi-wound models, makes boyz dangerous to MCs and allows you to reroll failed moral checks. As this is mandatory for any boyz mob(one of the few things no one would ever argue), why not put that special weapon on the model you'd want to lose last anyways? Except for very few models in the entire game, your opponent will not be able to shoot that nob down before all boyz are dead anyways.

A Nob with a PK and Slugga is 31 points:
Base cost for 1 Boy: 6 points
Upgrade him to Nob: 10 points
Replace his choppa with a PK: 25 points

The Big Shoota adds the extra 5 points.

You missed the boss pole(BP), which is just as mandatory as the PK.

helium42 wrote:A nob can not take a big shoota. When you replace the boy for the nob, you get the nob's default wargear (which is a choppa and slugga) and option to upgrade from there. It states he may replace his choppa for a big choppa or PK, and may take a bosspole and/or 'eavy armor.

Except the rule says that any ork in the mob may have the big shoota. The nob is definitely an ork.

Jidmah wrote:

NimbleJack3 wrote:
A Nob with a PK and Slugga is 31 points:
Base cost for 1 Boy: 6 points
Upgrade him to Nob: 10 points
Replace his choppa with a PK: 25 points

The Big Shoota adds the extra 5 points.

You missed the boss pole(BP), which is just as mandatory as the PK.

Ah, I didn't realise that was a Bosspole. The mouseover told me it was a Bolt Pistol, and I assumed you used it as shorthand for the Slugga.
Is the bosspole really that useful? I'm not aware of its' effectiveness.


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So have we decided/discovered or not whether Nobs can have a Big Shoota in addition to the PK and the Slugga? The v1.0 Errata for Orks doesn't mention anything on the issue.

The nob is basically the most powerful model in the unit, and can easily kill a vehicle or weak squad all by himself. So as long as you still have a boy to whack in the head left, you can reroll any failed moral check (which is pretty likely at ld7) effectively boosting yourself up to the equivalent of ld9.
That's a pretty good buy for 5 points if you ask me, especially considering that any broken unit of boyz will never rally again (unless we're talking about trukk boyz).

As for the big shoota/rokkit: No rule prohibits the nob from being the ork wielding the special weapon.

Yes, nobs can have the wargear from boyz. If you dont believe us, go read your local GW FAQ, pretty sure its listed in there. It IS mentioned in the Ork dex as well. So yes, the Nob can have a BigShoota, or a Rokkit if thats your thing....like mine usually is. Ahhhh rokkits

KingCracker wrote:Yes, nobs can have the wargear from boyz. If you dont believe us, go read your local GW FAQ, pretty sure its listed in there. It IS mentioned in the Ork dex as well. So yes, the Nob can have a BigShoota, or a Rokkit if thats your thing....like mine usually is. Ahhhh rokkits

For what its worth...army builder lets you do it too...thats what finally convinced me!