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Apparently it's possible to give a Nob a Big Shoota or Rokkit Launcha in addition to the usual Slugga and CC weapon - if you take a Big Shoota/Rokkit Launcha Boy and upgrade him to Nob. Given that a Nob can also have a PK and a Bosspole, this can make for a highly versatile unit that could even destroy units and vehicles on its' own. He's worth 36 points, or 6 regular Boyz, but apparently he's well worth it.
There is no mention of a Big Shoota/Rokkit Launcha Nob in the FAQ/Errata (v1.0 to v1.2). There's no official word that you can't take the options like this, but there's nothing to indicate it was intended as an option, either...

What does Dakka think? Is this legal?

The codex entry simply says that one ork for every ten in the unit maybe upgraded for the special weapons. It says nothing about it having to be a boy.

I am going to be doing this with all my future ork mobs because it is easier to field.

-cgmckenzie

cgmckenzie wrote:The codex entry simply says that one ork for every ten in the unit maybe upgraded for the special weapons.

This. The Nob is most certainly an ork, just as the boyz are. No need to do sequence-of-upgrade shenanigans here - the nob can have the weapon fair and square. He's not only allowed to take the special weapon, ork psychology practically demands he does. ;-)

totally RAW legal. Here's why I feel it's a bad idea- you lose a pk attack in cc as the slugga and choppa have both been replaced. Best to leave da dakka to da boyz and da choppin to da nob.

It's legal.

I can't understand why this one keeps cropping up, but it does

Pg 88 Ork codex shows a Nob with big shoota and PK.

The Weapon upgrade can be given to any ork in the unit.


Pg 65 also, leading the squad to the left of the Warboss.

katfude wrote:totally RAW legal. Here's why I feel it's a bad idea- you lose a pk attack in cc as the slugga and choppa have both been replaced. Best to leave da dakka to da boyz and da choppin to da nob.

You have only 1 PK attack anyway, seeing as how Power Fists only grant +1 attack for using two CC weapons at once if the other weapon is also a PF. You can't get another PK on any Ork.
The PK is infinitely preferable to the choppa, seeing as how hard (S8 for the Nobz, S10 for the Warboss!) you can hit with it.

I'm glad that this use of wargear seems to be supported. A Nob with a Big Shoota would be great for trying for one or two wounds as the mob closes with the enemy.

Actually a Big Mek can have 2, but why bother (power claw replaces choppa, mega armour replaces slugga, granting 2 PK and a twin-linked shoota, but a combat beast he is not..

The nob will be swinging 3 (+ 1 charging when appropriate) PK blows a turn regardless of what he has as other weapons.

Somebody once said:
"If da boss wants your big shoota, you should give him your big shoota."
Upgrading your nob with everything possible fits fluff perfectly.

In addition, one of the big shootas (the one-handed one with the leather strap) from the boyz box is definitely attached to a nob arm, rather than a boyz arm.

So hardly an exploit.

Jidmah wrote:Somebody once said:
"If da boss wants your big shoota, you should give him your big shoota."
Upgrading your nob with everything possible fits fluff perfectly.

In addition, one of the big shootas (the one-handed one with the leather strap) from the boyz box is definitely attached to a nob arm, rather than a boyz arm.

So hardly an exploit.

I've used that Big Shoota on a Boy, unfortunately. It didn't strike me as very Nob-ish. Also, I couldn't pass up the chance to use the ammo belt hand in tandem with it.
To replace it, I'm cementing the PK and a slugga arm to the Nob body, and fitting an ammo pack and a Big Shoota from the Black Reach set onto his back.

In addition, Exploit is now Thing.


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Which would be a better choice: the Rokkit Launcha or the Big Shoota? I'm thinking the Big Shoota, for those extra Assault shots against infantry.

If you ask me, big shoota. Because my rokkits won't hit anything ever, not even then.

However, other people, like KingCracker swear by rokkits in boyz mobs, so your call.

Neither math nor experience make one clearly better than the other.

I like rokkit launchas. You hit a marine, he is dead; you can punch through vehicles at range, and you get to make little "WEEEE" noises as the rokkits go flying across the battlefield!

-cgmckenzie

Big shoota for me

My rokkits rarely hit :(

I like being able to just pummel a unit with shoota/big shoota fire before closing in for the kill...

simple answer is, its illegal.

once an ork/ork boy has been upgraded to a "nob" it has specific wargear options available to it and it only. it cannot carry wargear over because it has been changed to a completely different model with a different default loadout and different wargear options.

there are other codexs where you can see this same issue arise, the most similar and nearly identical example being the current dark eldar codex and the wargear options for the kabalite warriors.

But a nob is still an ork correct?
Because the wording "Upgrade 1 ork" seems to point towards a non defined ork to me.

But why do it?
Only time i see this being of use would be tankbustas.
S10 nob with plenty of tank hammer attacks.

 Jackal wrote:
But a nob is still an ork correct?
Because the wording "Upgrade 1 ork" seems to point towards a non defined ork to me.

But why do it?
Only time i see this being of use would be tankbustas.
S10 nob with plenty of tank hammer attacks.

if you look at the wording for how to upgrade to a nob, it says "one boy can be upgraded to a nob..." making the ork model in question that can be upgraded with a big shoota an ork boy.

Didn't this used to be in the Ork FAQ, stating that an Ork could take these options, but would be "happier" with the Klaw?

Didn't this thread used to be "dead"? Why are we necro-ing a dead thread?

Thread is being locked due to thread necromancy.