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Haven't tried a haemonculi list before, but here goes:

Urien Rakarth: 190

9 Wracks with Acothyst, mounted in a raider
with night shields & flickerfield: 180

5 wracks with acothyst mounted in a venom: 115

Talos with chain flails: 115

Idea is to start of the game with pain tokens, as there won't be many at this size. All units other than the Talos start with pain tokens, and Rakarth's ability to generate D3 to give to the army at the start of the game should get the army pretty buffed up to begin with. The transports are to help get the wracks to objectives, and the raider's dark lance should aid the Talos in any anti-armour needs.

No...just, no. I wouldn't take a named character in any list under 1500 points. At 600 points a haemonculus should be your only HQ. Then use the remaining points to fill out more of the foc.

The coven lists benefit more from a wwp, allowing your slow foot sloggers to make it across the board faster and potentially unscathed.

I don't have much experience with the wrack loadouts if you want to take them so I'll leave that to others.

A good rule of thumb for lists is roughly 10% of your points spent on HQ's. You currently have almost 1/3 of your army in a single model. Can you guess what's going to get shot first?

yeah dont take rakeith in that small a game.

wracks are nice, but better with liquifiers. They acothyst is not really useful as he cant take power weapons.

at a larger game, not WWP think about this

Urien 190

Haemi with liquifier 60


4 Urien grots abberation with venom blade and liquifier 185
raider with FF 65

5 wracks liquifier 60
Venom double cannon 70

5 wracks liquifier 60
Venom double cannon 70

9wracks liquifier 100
raider FF 65

10 wracks 2 liquifiers 120
Raider FF 65

2 Talos with chain flails 230

Ravager FF 115

1400 points

At 600pts, Urien is a waste. Even at 1500 and 2000, the 3 Haems he replaces are more worthwhile and he costs 5pts less than 3 Haemonculi with Liquifier Guns and Venom Blades.

Thus far I have only used him in Apoc games, where he has died to vanilla imperial guardsman in cc.

For a 600pt Coven I would be running a Basic Haem, 1 Raider and 2 Venoms of wracks and a pair of Talos.
This is the same as my 500pt list, with an extra Talos.

is this per chance fr the school league? if so are you through to the next round and if so we need to fight and or tolerate/ bro hoof each other :3

any way, your list isnt too bad but racath is a huge point sink and I find talosuses to be far too slow without a portal. if your wanting to do a freak show list here's what I used at 600pts:

hammy with cascet of flensing

4 incubi in a twin SC venom

7 wracks in a FF raider with a liquifier

6 wracks in a FF raider with a liquifier

ravager with a FF

hope that list helps as a template

@DPBellathrom Next years i'm afraid, cant go this year due to GCSEs and nagging parents. This'll be my first try with 40k, only played the league for fantasy so far (I was the guy who shouted yay about monsters at the SoM presentation they gave last year).

So I take it that Urien is a bad choice. So here's an updated list:

Haemonculus with webway portal, flesh gauntlet & shattershard: 120

9 Wracks with lq gun:100
^
Raider with ff

10 wracks with 2 lq guns: 120
^ raider with ff

Talos with chain flail& heat lance: 120

Flesh Gauntlet is a waste of points. 95% of what you'll hit with it is going to be 1 wound, and the other 5% you don't want your haem near.

I'd give it a venom blade and a liquifier gun, cheaper, more versatile and can fire more than once. With a wwp its an even 100pts.

Using these spare points I'd go for 1 raider with 5 wracks for the haem to sit with and then 2 venoms of 5 wracks with liquifiers, and a talos with stinger pods snd a tl liquifier.

While you lose the heat lance and +1 attack, that's 2 s5 templates and a tl flamer on tne talos and a whole extra vehicle / scoring unit on the field.

True that with the flesh gauntlet, and a liquifier would be more reliable as i can use it more often. The list you wrote's pretty good, but does cut my Anti armour a bit. Separtaing the Wracks into two squads is indeed wise, I agree that it'll help make my force more versatile.

Would I t be worth mixing in some Kabal/Wych cult units, or would that disrupt the way i'll be using the army?


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So, another rewrite. Here we go:

Haemonculus with webway portal,
Venom blade and Liquifier gun:100

5 Wracks with Liquifier gun:60
^
Raider with ff:70

5 Wracks with Liquifier gun:60
^
Venom with splinter cannon:75

5 Wracks with Liquifier gun:60
^
Venom with splinter cannon:75

Talos with liquifier, additional cc weapon
& heat lance:130

Doesn't that list add up to 630?

1 less lance isn't really much less anti-armour, and the Talos should be enough to take out any armour you face at 600pts.

At this points range you're generally looking at 1-3 vehicles. DE can do 5, but even then it's made of paper.

The Stinger Pod and TL Haywire Blasters are interchangable costing the same. They also give the talos a 30" threat range, as opposed to 15"/24".

With the Liquifier, as far as I know there is no point in taking the chainflails as you get no +1 (only 1 ccw, tllg replaces one).

Chain Flails are useful, but I like the the TLLG, that's preference as much as anything. I just find melty acid guns seem to give me a warm happy feeling

ah, shame :3 its my last year fighting this year lol

your list seems pretty good now but I would still take a ravager over the talos :3

@DPBellathrom Could meet up at Games day maybe?

Anyhow, could be an idea, swapping the Talos for a ravager, but then i'd have to take away the webway portal. As the list goes, the talos is a weapon that the haemonculus can release. With the points saved from that I could put in a Voidraven with an implosion missile (one, but those things work wonders against Termies and the like). Could be a bit much on a single model though, and a triple-Dark lance wielding ravager is nothing to be sniffed at.

could do, I'll do my best to make it this year :3

any who, you'll be playing on a 6-4 foot table and I've always found taloseses to be pretty slow and easy to out run. the thought of a void raven is a pretty good one though as it stands you only have one lance. if you face off against any MC lists or anyone with mephiston your safe with the vast amounts of splinter weapons but you might be best off with 3 more lances to really mess up anyones tanks

I'd also look at the casket of flensing as it can be pretty nasty most of the time though luck plays a bit of a part too :3

one final thought, squads of 5 wracks might be a little fragile, those 30pts from the WWP might be better spent on 3 more wracks

Ovion wrote:Doesn't that list add up to 630?

The Stinger Pod and TL Haywire Blasters are interchangable costing the same. They also give the talos a 30" threat range, as opposed to 15"/24".

With the Liquifier, as far as I know there is no point in taking the chainflails as you get no +1 (only 1 ccw, tllg replaces one).

Chain Flails are useful, but I like the the TLLG, that's preference as much as anything. I just find melty acid guns seem to give me a warm happy feeling

correct. The rules for CCW on talos are wierd. Basically its best to give the talos Chain flails OR TLLG. If you really want to spend points you can give the Chainflails and Extra CCW but Extra CCW and TLLG doenst give any stat bonus.
I really like Chain flails, I usually take them but the TLLG is nice too. I just find it rare my talos is in position to use its TLLG and i dont want to move it into position as i want to get in and stay in cc.

the stinger pod is lame imho. it kills infantry, and not as well as the twinlinked splinter cannons. the cannons also have a 36" range which means your threat is 42". It can also hopefully kill something quickly and get a pain token. People like the haywire but I find it not reliable enough. I like the heat lance for its killyness but at the point you can use it you can probably just charge. I would say they are all ok depending on your feeling EXCEPT the stinger pod. BS3, 2 shots, small blast just not that good.

I use the Stinger Pods because they're switchable with the TLHB that I normally use. Against any list with no vehicles (such as nids) I just switch to them, it means it runs about the same as normal and is same points.

And against nids it made stealers and gaunts vanish quite nicely.