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Should we have a separate thread for Kauyon for me to clamber for Marine Formation leaks for Kauyon, or should I post here when it gets put up for preorder next week/Saturday?

 Crazyterran wrote:
Should we have a separate thread for Kauyon for me to clamber for Marine Formation leaks for Kauyon, or should I post here when it gets put up for preorder next week/Saturday?

Aren't the Marine Formations in the Shadow Force Solaq boxed set as well? If that is not the case, RAMPAGE!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Should we have a separate thread for Kauyon for me to clamber for Marine Formation leaks for Kauyon, or should I post here when it gets put up for preorder next week/Saturday?

Aren't the Marine Formations in the Shadow Force Solaq boxed set as well? If that is not the case, RAMPAGE!

Bols said (so, salt, liberal salt) that there was a scout formation with Vanguards, that allowed for accurate deep strike plus charge when in a certain range of the scouts, and a scout version of a Demi company of some sort.

Edit: I'm thinking so wing like Leviathan/Baal, where you had a mix of formations in each book (I believe?). The Solaq one will probably just be Captain Solaq, the Sternguard and Vanguard squad/, the Landspeeder, and the formation.

Wish I had realized that before I bought it, but I guess captain eaglestache can be my fourth captain/counts as sicarius (since I play UM fourth and reserves...)

 Crazyterran wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Should we have a separate thread for Kauyon for me to clamber for Marine Formation leaks for Kauyon, or should I post here when it gets put up for preorder next week/Saturday?

Aren't the Marine Formations in the Shadow Force Solaq boxed set as well? If that is not the case, RAMPAGE!

Bols said (so, salt, liberal salt) that there was a scout formation with Vanguards, that allowed for accurate deep strike plus charge when in a certain range of the scouts, and a scout version of a Demi company of some sort.

German scans of said formations exist. They are actually pretty rad, but I have no room for the formation as of right now. I am curious if Kauyon will have a whole different set of formations. I am only buying Shadow Force Solaq, so if I miss out on a bunch of stuff...



EDIT:
Shadow Captain Solaq is losing his Power Sword and Plasma Pistol and gaining a Power Maul (technically, a Corvus Hammer since it is impossible to find Power Mauls for right hands) and a Bolt Pistol and becoming my Chapter Champion. Love the eagle facemask.

I know it really isn't the right thread, but do we have rules for Soloq?

I've only seen the Tau ones. And since Germany didn't win the second war, I can't read in German.

I orderd Solaq as well, so I'm hoping that they are all there, but as the old saying goes...

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

Based on previous campaigns I'd say the big book will have different stuff to the boxsets.
EDIT: For example I doubt the RG objectives will be in Solaq and I doubt the Solaq formations will be in Kauyon

http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?22921-40k-Tau-Rumor-Roundup/page3

Tons of pictures of new rules and such (some in german)

Looks like the Coldstar suit turns the commander into a FMC. Loses drones while swooping though.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Based on previous campaigns I'd say the big book will have different stuff to the boxsets.
EDIT: For example I doubt the RG objectives will be in Solaq and I doubt the Solaq formations will be in Kauyon

Probably not. I guess I will just wait for scans to show up eventually. If I ran Tau and Codex: Space Marines, I would think about getting the big book, but otherwise not remotely interested.

EDIT: MOTHER FETHER! The Pinion and Shadowstrike Kill Team are in the Campaign Book, not the boxed set.

 McNinja wrote:
http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?22921-40k-Tau-Rumor-Roundup/page3

Tons of pictures of new rules and such (some in german)

Looks like the Coldstar suit turns the commander into a FMC. Loses drones while swooping though.

A quick FYI, we've already seen everything you just linked to several pages back. Cheers though as the compilation is still helpful to share!

I have had some time to think about this codex issue.

I hate it. It doesn't hurt the whole of the army but it feels like we got stiffed on the bill for any hope of updated rules for some of the units that needed it the most. It's a hard push to sell the new gak and forget the old gak.

Zelnik wrote:
I have had some time to think about this codex issue.

I hate it. It doesn't hurt the whole of the army but it feels like we got stiffed on the bill for any hope of updated rules for some of the units that needed it the most. It's a hard push to sell the new gak and forget the old gak.

And you were expecting..............................what?

This Is GW.

Whoever says the Solaq set contains the same material is very likely wrong as it was not the case with the other campaign releases back in 2014. Stormclaw had rules for the models in it plus a few formations limited to the content of the box. The description of the Solaq set only mentions an army list and missions:

This stunning box set includes twelve plastic Space Marine miniatures - a five-man Sternguard Veteran Squad, a five-man Vanguard veteran Squad, a Land Speeder and a new Space Marine Captain. As well as this, you’ll find the thirty-two page booklet War Zone Damocles: Operation Shadowtalon - the first instalment in the blood-soaked tale of the war for the Dovar System.

This booklet includes The Hunt For Aun’Do, the story of the Tau’s recovery of the Ethereal Aun’Do and Shadow Captain Solaq’s efforts to capture him; the Echoes of War, three missions depicting key conflicts during the hunt, and an awesome Army List featuring everything you need to field the included miniatures in games of Warhammer 40,000.  

The Kauyon book has formations for at least Tau and RG, White Scars probably as well.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Zelnik wrote:
I have had some time to think about this codex issue.

I hate it. It doesn't hurt the whole of the army but it feels like we got stiffed on the bill for any hope of updated rules for some of the units that needed it the most. It's a hard push to sell the new gak and forget the old gak.

And you were expecting..............................what?

This Is GW.

Well, it is certainly different to what they have usually done in the past.

However, different does not necessarily mean better.

Backfire wrote:

Well, it is certainly different to what they have usually done in the past.

However, different does not necessarily mean better.

It's GW. Different usually means "worse in some way" when you're talking about GW.

I hope the formations are not restricted to Raven Guard chapter tactics. i would really like an excuse to run Ultramarine Vanguards or (hopefully) a scout core detachment for the Gladius.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I hope the formations are not restricted to Raven Guard chapter tactics. i would really like an excuse to run Ultramarine Vanguards or (hopefully) a scout core detachment for the Gladius.

Yeah, if these formations can be used as part of the Gladius Strike Force or some variant of it, with any Chapter Tactics, I would run that Shadowstrike Kill Team without a second thought. The Pinion Battle Demi-Company is pretty awesome as well. Loads better than "We want to behave like Ultramarines-lite".

Do we have the full load out requirements for the pinion? I'm assuming three scout squads, assault marine variants, and maybe heavy weapons? I imagine it will be Raven guard themed, even if any chapter can use it, so maybe 2 assault squads instead of heavy weapons.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Do we have the full load out requirements for the pinion? I'm assuming three scout squads, assault marine variants, and maybe heavy weapons? I imagine it will be Raven guard themed, even if any chapter can use it, so maybe 2 assault squads instead of heavy weapons.

1 Captain or Chaplain (can sub in Pedro Kantor!)
0-1 Command Squad
3 Tactical Squads
1 Assault Squad
1 Devastator Squad
1-3 Scout or Scout Bike Squads

If there's one thing Tau players needed during this Tau-focused release season to turn that luke warm or negative reception of mediocre new Tau units and rules around, it was stronger Space Marines. Thanks for that, GW, good thinking.

https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11118367_629536373853182_3699133125997872699_n.jpg?oh=b5d70f97985637b5a9233717ec27a8e0&oe=56CA890E

Reading that wormy wording, I'm wondering it the "new formations" Tau gets from Kauyon will be different from the ones in the 7E Tau dex. We know that Kauyon will include the base 7E Tau formations, since it can be used to supplement the 6E Tau dex and become equivalent to the 7E dex. And they could even get away with calling those shared formations "new." What we don't know is if Kauyon will include additional Tau material beyond what is in the 7E dex, other than the campaign scenarios themselves. The new RG and WS content will be nice, I'm sure, but doesn't exactly do it for me.

The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

Since Old Dex + Kauyon = New Dex, it stands to reason that Kauyon will, at the very least, carry the formations from the New Dex, as the Old Dex doesn't have them.

Anyway, English Limited Codex stuff.
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12144763_629536403853179_5684883247075839124_n.jpg?oh=fd5b65f67576a4a2bbbdf741f4b3c583&oe=56B8F4ED

English Datacard stuff for Tau, White Scars, and, Raven Guard.
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11147162_629536470519839_5054204681721525990_n.jpg?oh=5d13a75b11b68326e0e53dd4a4dfc412&oe=5687C175

Note that the Limited Edition Dex has 36 TacObj cards, while the Tau Data Cards have 42 cards 6 of which are Warlord Traits and 32 of which are TacObjs. So for $180 the limited edition doesn't give you all of the Warlord Traits in card form. I am interested in that poster-sized map of the Tau Empire, though...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

The impression I get is those are there, but that there will be nothing else other than them. No unit tweaks other than the most minute.

I got a bad feeling about this. After all the dumbness of this update what are the odds all of our formations suck? I need a drink or something. To one of the worst updates ever in how badly communicated and fractured it is.

Thanks, Sinister Samurai

 SinisterSamurai wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

Since Old Dex + Kauyon = New Dex, it stands to reason that Kauyon will, at the very least, carry the formations from the New Dex, as the Old Dex doesn't have them.

Anyway, English Limited Codex stuff.
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/12144763_629536403853179_5684883247075839124_n.jpg?oh=fd5b65f67576a4a2bbbdf741f4b3c583&oe=56B8F4ED

English Datacard stuff for Tau, White Scars, and, Raven Guard.
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/11147162_629536470519839_5054204681721525990_n.jpg?oh=5d13a75b11b68326e0e53dd4a4dfc412&oe=5687C175

Note that the Limited Edition Dex has 36 TacObj cards, while the Tau Data Cards have 42 cards 6 of which are Warlord Traits and 32 of which are TacObjs. So for $180 the limited edition doesn't give you all of the Warlord Traits in card form. I am interested in that poster-sized map of the Tau Empire, though...

The great joke in all of this is that GW is simply reprinting the 6th edition Tau book that people bought the Limited Edition of, as well. 180$ for a damn book + 2$ worth of cards that you can make yourself? Just go to fedex office and get them to print you cards on high quality card stock! A poster? You can have an online printer do the same thing for 5$. It's so absurd that one would spend 180$ on what is basically a quick reprint of a book people already own when you can buy entire armies for other miniature games...yet in 40k you get a single book.

Warlord Trait cards.

I got nothin'.

So they're finally making Warlord Trait cards.

Took them long enough to milk that cow*

*assuming 6 new cards make the datacard boxes cost more than before

Because no psychic powers probably

 Gamgee wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The impression I got was that Kauyon isn't going to include the new Formations and Detachment, just the new units and updated pages for new units (if they exist), and will instead have its own unique Formations.

The impression I get is those are there, but that there will be nothing else other than them. No unit tweaks other than the most minute.

I got a bad feeling about this. After all the dumbness of this update what are the odds all of our formations suck? I need a drink or something. To one of the worst updates ever in how badly communicated and fractured it is.

Spoiler:

Yes, please go get a drink. It will help you relax.

At the risk of being flamed I will echo what has been said before by others more calm and patient than I am: let's wait until we see the codex before the more hyperbolic of us get our soapboxes out.

Honestly, even if they change nothing other than the detachments, Tau are still a very playable army. Hell, my main army is Orks so count your blessings Tau players And despite the rules, I will continue to have fun with my Orks, and I will continue to have fun with my Tau. I wouldn't be paying the expensive prices if I did not enjoy the models, lore and game so much.

I can't wait to get my hands on the Ghostkeel Although the way the WD description of the Kauyon campaign is worded, I'm worried Shadowsun might bite the dust :(

 Kirasu wrote:

The great joke in all of this is that GW is simply reprinting the 6th edition Tau book that people bought the Limited Edition of, as well. 180$ for a damn book + 2$ worth of cards that you can make yourself? Just go to fedex office and get them to print you cards on high quality card stock! A poster? You can have an online printer do the same thing for 5$. It's so absurd that one would spend 180$ on what is basically a quick reprint of a book people already own when you can buy entire armies for other miniature games...yet in 40k you get a single book.

Well, you can actually just buy the datacards if you want them.

But you know what the people I know who buy a limited edition do with them? They open it once, then sit it on the shelf. And they buy another copy, along with another set of datacards, which they actually play with. They don't want to ding up the corners of the LE and all that. Oh yeah, you get poster with the cover art on one side, and a map on the other, and 6 metal markers too, if you care They exist for the sole purpose of the people who want them.

Note that this is not me I haven't yet bought an LE book, though I have been tempted by the SM codex, and almost go the Stormcast as a gift for my wife (something else totally unrelated to gaming came up at the same time, so GW lost out).


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 mazik765 wrote:


I can't wait to get my hands on the Ghostkeel Although the way the WD description of the Kauyon campaign is worded, I'm worried Shadowsun might bite the dust :(

Do you mean this? "Commander Shadowsun, the ascendant hero of the Fire Caste matches wits and weapons against Space marine Chapter Masters and the Imperial Knights of House Terryn -- and the battle is an especially fierce one, which will see heroes die before the fighting is over."

I was wondering which heroes would die, too...