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I Like the idea of them, but am generally unsure about taking them. So I was curious to know peoples opinions on them

Also reasonings for your votes would be helpful too lols

Not worth it. Everything they do is done better elsewhere in the book.

That, and you can kill them with any S10 weapons. Perfect targets for tachyon arrows though!

No model, ID by S10 weapons, crappy armor save for an MC, not good in CC... It's just all around a waste of 160 points.

Unless you just like wings.

It's generally considered a turd with wings.

It needs Flier rules, badly.

Not worth it.

I converted one up when i still played nids.

It never lived past turn 2.

It's a total waste of points, though a good excuse to exercise your converting skills.

That said i was pretty unimpressed with most of the new dex, though the first couple of games were hilarious when i would sporepod in units, and opponents who hadn't faced the new nids would try to get pat the pods to get to the units, only to be eaten by the pod

Even with flier rules it would still be a turkey, not a harpy

Oh, yeah, because there's SO much S10 weaponry flying around out there. You really gotta worry about ID on this thing.

If you like it, field it. Who cares? Some guy fielded one against my "unbeatable" Blood Angels the other day. Sure, the Harpy itself didn't do much, but the guy damn near tabled me.

It's not that it can be ID'd by S 10 (although any MC that can is a weak-ass MC) but that its a low wounds, low armament, expensive MC that's not too great in CC, and can't realistically gain cover unless you have it modelled skimming the grass.

Basically it's massively overpriced for what it can do, like most of the MC's in that book, and there are better options int he same slot.

If you want to field one, it's cool by me. I've seen some amazing conversions for it. Just don't expect it to live long.

Ascalam wrote:It's not that it can be ID'd by S 10 (although any MC that can is a weak-ass MC) but that its a low wounds, low armament, expensive MC that's not too great in CC, and can't realistically gain cover unless you have it modelled skimming the grass.

Basically it's massively overpriced for what it can do, like most of the MC's in that book, and there are better options int he same slot.

If you want to field one, it's cool by me. I've seen some amazing conversions for it. Just don't expect it to live long.

My main problem with what most people have said so far is "just don't expect it to live long", if people are taking priority to shoot a harpy, then they are either doing something wrong or your opponent has a weakassed army... because for me, target priority is synapse followed by things that will hurt me. A harpy won't hurt me in combat (too much), and even at range I'd have bigger targets to chose from. So it baffles me when people say it won't live long :/

Shrug.

Mine never did, as even infantry guns can down it hard and fast.

If yours manages to survive then more power to you Mine generally got taken down almost as an afterthought, by (for example) the twin-minigun on a LR crusader, while the rest of the crusader was mopping up another unit.

Bagging a 160 Pt unit that easily makes it a prime target in points based/KP games.

YMMV of course

Proxy it up and try. Since there is no mini it's probably not getting a lot of use so a lot of the advice is conjecture and hypothesis.

I find it amusing how easily Psyflemen Dreadnoughts destroy it.

I use my new Flyrant as a Harpy on occasion. I find it exceedingly useful assault High Int units. Its Sonic Screech combined with AG make it faster than anything it assaults, with 5, Str 6 MC attacks rerolling 1s to hit. Not bad. Plus it can spawn some Spores for area denial and has decent firepower.

Deadshot wrote:I use my new Flyrant as a Harpy on occasion. I find it exceedingly useful assault High Int units. Its Sonic Screech combined with AG make it faster than anything it assaults, with 5, Str 6 MC attacks rerolling 1s to hit. Not bad. Plus it can spawn some Spores for area denial and has decent firepower.

Thats what I was thinking, but as I've only ever considered it as a math-hammer unit, I just haven't gotten around to doing a model for one yet.

1x gk dreadnought with twinlinked auto cannons will unload on it and likely kill it in the first round :(

If it had more wounds, higher toughness and a better save... maybe. Right now as it is, it's just too big of a target/free kill point

Cryage wrote:1x gk dreadnought with twinlinked auto cannons will unload on it and likely kill it in the first round :(

If it had more wounds, higher toughness and a better save... maybe. Right now as it is, it's just too big of a target/free kill point

I'd have to say more wounds tbh, as going on fluff, higher T or Sv would have to mean its becoming more than a MC and more a GC. or possibly give it some special rule that means either a fast regen or an invun.

Maybe a dodge save against shooting.


But, what people don't understand is it is for harrassment, not killyness. Shooting outriders and tying up units. Even.it getting shot means that Troops and synapse take less damage.

Deadshot wrote:Maybe a dodge save against shooting.


But, what people don't understand is it is for harrassment, not killyness. Shooting outriders and tying up units. Even.it getting shot means that Troops and synapse take less damage.

that said, it is a little pricey even for that role, same goes for the 'fex's... I wish they'd bring back some 4th ed codex rules.... ¬_¬

Fair point.


Though while people are saying it is delicate, I would point out that the Spod is a T4 MC.

And for those that say it isn't a proper MC and should be seen as a Drop Pod, I would say 2 things.


The Drop Pod can't be harmed by Str 1 weapons.
The drop pod is 5 points cheaper.

Harpies. Apostrophes are for contractions and possessives, not plurals.

They're terrible. Expensive, delicate, and not dangerous enough to be worth it.

AnUnearthlyChilde wrote:

Ascalam wrote:It's not that it can be ID'd by S 10 (although any MC that can is a weak-ass MC) but that its a low wounds, low armament, expensive MC that's not too great in CC, and can't realistically gain cover unless you have it modelled skimming the grass.

Basically it's massively overpriced for what it can do, like most of the MC's in that book, and there are better options int he same slot.

If you want to field one, it's cool by me. I've seen some amazing conversions for it. Just don't expect it to live long.

My main problem with what most people have said so far is "just don't expect it to live long", if people are taking priority to shoot a harpy, then they are either doing something wrong or your opponent has a weakassed army... because for me, target priority is synapse followed by things that will hurt me. A harpy won't hurt me in combat (too much), and even at range I'd have bigger targets to chose from. So it baffles me when people say it won't live long :/

The reason they tend to get shot quickly is because they are fast moving and big, easy targets so they are likely to be in range before most of the rest of the army. They are big and look nasty so get shot at. I often use carnies to play the same role, the fire-drawing "kill the big thing" role.

In all honesty it is a poor unit. It has many potential plus points BUT like most nids it has poor armour saves and cannot survive any sustained fire from decent HW. S10 weapons can kill it outright but a few shots from the likes of psycannon, bright lances, etc will down one pretty quickly.

For me this is the key weakness of nids and the one that you really have to consider carefully when building and fielding a list, how much will the lack of decent armour and the critical lack of invulnerable saves affect your force? If you are likely to be fighting anyone with decent BS and plenty of heavy weapons then flyrants, harpies, etc are probably a bad idea.

Personally I don't do WAAC so I am happy ot field stuff that will not necessarily crush all in its path but I don't do suicidal either. So no harpies against marines or other forces of that nature.

Brother SRM wrote:Harpies. Apostrophes are for contractions and possessives, not plurals.

They're terrible. Expensive, delicate, and not dangerous enough to be worth it.

Dyslexic