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I have a unit of 10 Chaos Knights with Mark of Tzeentch. What is a better magic banner to give them; Blasted standard (4+ ward against shooting with MoT boost) or Banner of Rage (Frenzy that can never be lost) or some other banner?

I like Blasted or +1 Movement

depends on your local metagame. If you play against a lot of shootier armies, then Blasted. If not then Rage. 1+ Movement is good too though.

I like +1 movement, its cheap and when marching those 2 inches dont seem like much but that can be a game changer.

Also as said depends on what you play against if its lots cc and little shooting, then the blasted standard is not really helping.

Rage banner seems a bit pricey when you could give the unit mok for cheaper and the +1 movement banner. But again it depends what you are up against mainly.

DONT give them the banner of eternal flame!!!!!

Blasted Standard is just too good not to take, especially in a big unit like that.

Rage banner is amazing too. You can take the MoK for (ever so slightly) cheaper but it doesn't give you unlosable frenzy and it doesn't give frenzy to characters that join the unit either. You lose the option of a different banner, but gain the option of a different mark.

All that said, I'd take the Blasted Banner 9 times out of 10. I'd try and save the Rage banner for a different unit, specifically one that will have a character join it.

If your knights flee and the SB dies, don't you lose the frenzy that you are supposed to always have? Came up a few weeks ago with some insisting the fact that it can't be lost meaning they always hve it while others (ME) stated that if the bearer dies it dies

Yea you loose the frenzy as the SB is dead. But if you are loosing combat with Knights then something has gone wrong

Or you can't roll dice very well that is another option.
I run knights with mok. I usually can't roll ld tests so a frenzy banner wouldn't do me much good haha.
But yes if a unit flees the banner dies dames goes for the bsb, if his unit breaks from combat he's dead.

If it is only between those two, I would go with the blasted standard probably. However, I voted for other. I like the +1 movement, but in the end I think I would go with the swiftstride one (ranger's banner I think). I think you could have a little more fun with that one.

And utterly pointless as they already have swiftstride from being Cavelry.

Think hes talking about the Rangers standard, which would give them the strider special rule (ignore dangerous terrain)

I see little point in that banner. Very expensive for very little gain.

I'd rather shell out for an additional chaos knight if I'm worried about casualities from Dangerous Terrain.

scubasteve04 wrote:Think hes talking about the Rangers standard, which would give them the strider special rule (ignore dangerous terrain)

Thanks for clearing that up for me, that is what I meant.

I like it for the fact that it gives me the moment of surprise when units are using the terrain to hide in and gives me the ability to do some hiding myself if need be. All in all, imho, I can use it to help me in my movement, gain cover, and for that moment when my opponent realizes his perceived advantage is gone. Granted, the blasted standard can indirectly help me with movement as I might not worry about hiding my knights from shooting and move towards my enemy in a more direct path. Also, I would probably charge into a forest without the Rangers standard anyway if I needed too, but with my luck I would probably lose half of my knights.

Btw, isn't it the same price as all of the other banners mentioned. I haven't had a chance to play in a while or even look through the books for that matter.

I would actually split this unit up in two units, run one khorne with the blasted standard and the other tz or nurgle with the banner of rage. Like most two-attack models (3 if you count the very decent attack from the horse), knights should not be run 2 deep... you're losing over half the effectiveness of each knight if he's in the second rank.

Why would you give Khorne the Blasted Standard? It seems to have the best synergy with Tzeentch.

I agree with both posts.

Dont run more than one rank of knights.
Mot and the blasted standard are there for the best effect.

Played 4 games today against Daemons, Wood Elves, Ogres and High Elves, and decided to give the banner of Rage a try, The damage output with frenzy is obscene, the Knights managed to kill block after block with little effort. Those extra attacks make a huge difference for racking up kills. Not only that, but the blasted standard would not have saved a single Knight in any 4 of those games, even though opponents had plenty of shooting (I either made army, or rolled under 4 for my ward saves). Definitely using the frenzy banner from now on.

What sized games do you look to run knights in, there really expensive pts wise.

Block of 10

I like the razor banner.
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Whatever you do, don't run them into any Mangler Squigs...

I think thats a given. You don't ever run anything into Mangler squigs aside from chaff to blow the darn things up.

Grey Templar wrote:I think thats a given. You don't ever run anything into Mangler squigs aside from chaff to blow the darn things up.

A week ago my WoC opponent thought that ramming his 10 Chaos Knights on my Squig was the best way to take it out. Not very cost-efficient though...cost him 7 Knights.

If your gonna invest in a 10 block i would go MoN and Rage banner. MoN helps against BS based shooting, and helps in close combat sometimes, helping reduce damage to your hyper expensive knights.

alternatively you can go MoT and add a Mounted Hero with IronCurse Icon. It's only a 5+, but it's against the real nasty warmachine shooting that often ignores your armor, but it's also a 6+ at all times. Give him Collar of Khorne as well and you got some decent defense from all angles(maybe reduce to 9 knights or increase to 11). Keeping the Rage banner to rage em all.

Around here we also play that the Rage banner effects the horses, as it gives the whole unit frenzy...but your group may differ on this, we don't play that MoK does this however as a compromise.