lakemacleod wrote:...i heard its slower and more boring, and just wanted some new opinions and information on how it plays differently from its counterpart.

Abyssel wrote:

lakemacleod wrote:...i heard its slower and more boring, and just wanted some new opinions and information on how it plays differently from its counterpart.

I really appreciate it man, thanks for taking the time to write a long reply. When you said if the unit has BS 3 it hits on threes, was that legit or did you mean to say hit on four's, it confused the whole shooting thing for me.




I'm an avid 40k player, I just recently started getting into WHF, and I will tell you this.

No they are not slow, if anything games take a faster amount of time.

You get into hand to hand quicker.

Only reason it would be slow is if you opponent has no clue what they are doing and keeps second guessing or doesn't know his strategy.

Boring? No, in fact I've been bored playing 40k a lot of times, I have never been bored playing WHF..

So the things that you have heard are pretty flase, at least in my opinion, your experience may vary.

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Things that are different.

WHF and 40k, the only similarities are the to hit and to wound chart and other small rules, other than that, its essentially different.

most units have to be in what is called rank and file, which is a big ol block. this makes things like stone throwers and magic that uses templates more deadly than in 40k, but you will not often have to worry about templates to much, unlike 40k where everything uses a template.

the turn is divided like so

40k: Move Shooting/Running Assault
WHF: declaring charges (then you charge into combat but do not fight yet),
Compulsory movement (IE things that have to move, not your choice IE fleeing),
Regular movement (things you want to move),
Magic Phase (this one is big, I'll describe further down),
Shooting Phase
Assault Phase

Now, charging you declare a charge, every unit has a specific movement value in their stats shown as M, this is how far they can move, unlike 40k where everything is a static 6"/12"/18"/24"/36".

Charge, which means you declare, than roll 2D6 + your movement value. Movement you can either move your movement value and shoot or what not, or you can march, which is like running where you can't shoot but you move double your distance value.

Movement is not like 40k where you can willy nilly turn around and run back, if a character is by himself or a model is solo they can then, since they are not in formation, but formations have to pivot to turn, which will take away some of your movement.

Magic is big in 8th edition. Almost everyone has some form of magic, with 8 stadard lores in the rulebook to choose from and special lores in respective codecies. You roll 2D6 for casting dice, and you have a pool of dice you use to cast. Your opponent gets the higer number from that 2D6 for dispel dice. If you have any wizards, your wizards can try to channel more casting dice or dispell dice into your pool in a roll of a 6 for each wizard you own. As stated before, Magic is powerful in 8th, not nessesary, but if your opponent has magic and you do not, than you're at a slight disadvantage.

Shooting has modifiers, so if archers are BS3, meaning they need 3's to hit, if they moved, they will get -1, if your opposing unit is over half the total distance of your ranged weapon, -1, if you are charged and you stand and shoot (meaning you get shots before they hit you) you get -1.

So example, BS4, you moved and the unit you are trying to shoot is 20" away and your weapon range is 24", you get -2, which means you now need 5's to hit.

Assault phase, those who are in base to base or are at corners get to attack. Not everyone in the unit may attack, only the first rank gets ALL of their attacks, second rank only get what is called support attacks, IE only 1 attack per model, Unless they are monsterous infantry. If your unit is equiped with spears, than the 3rd rank will get support attacks (except on the turn they charged.)

You may ask "Then why have all these other models just sitting in the back p****ing in the wind?" will if you have more ranks than your opponent, you get steadfast, which means if you lose combat, you're stubborn in 40k terms. Thats a big one. their are pluses and minuses for how your unit is equiped, IE, if you have a banner, +1 to combat res, how many ranks you have adds to combat res, how many models you killed adds to res, how many your opponent killed subtracts your res, musicians will win combat res by 1 if it is a tie.

Remember I am still learning myself, so these statements may be inaccurate or false all together, so take them with a grain of salt, and if I am wrong than please correct me. I am only telling you what I have learned.

Abyssel wrote:My mistake, BS4 is what I meant. WHF uses the same to hit, to wound, and assault hit charts as 40k.

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:agreed w/ what pretty much everyone says.

As one redshirt even said - "40k is about list-building and letting your list do the work. Fantasy is about board control and unit tactics." Which one sounds like a better, more fun and engaging game?

WHFB's rules make it inherently "non-competitive" from a player's perspective. By that, I only mean, there are so many variables and equalizers during a match (random charges/flees/pursues, self-destructive magic/WMs, armor saves harder to get than 40k, shooting harder to hit than 40k, etc) that the players who want total control of what goes on (i.e. the list-builders of 40k) usually get turned off or frustrated. WHFB players have to accept the bad w/ the good. I've heard so many 40k players who test out WHFB say "man, magic is BROKEN" or "this isn't fair!!!". ...except it is "fair" (if that's the proper term). The same randomness, good or bad, can happen to any and all armies.

Although, maybe in the 41st millennium, whoever has the most S9 shots truly will always win...

lakemacleod wrote:How does cover vary? I always thought armor saves should be taken in addition to cover saves. No one is says "im going to remove all my armor because i am in a stand of trees, i would rather they protect me"

Abyssel wrote:

I believe you can roll both your armor save and ward save and regeneration though.

LunaHound wrote:Fantasy is more fun, but I dont consider moving giant blocks of infantry fun...

LunaHound wrote:Another thing I like about Fantasy is, even though it still luck oriented, your tactic will effect your result more than 40k.

Mainly due to the combat resolution stacks alot, more than what your dice rolls

Surtur wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Another thing I like about Fantasy is, even though it still luck oriented, your tactic will effect your result more than 40k.

Mainly due to the combat resolution stacks alot, more than what your dice rolls

Until that block of 100 gobbos hits the table...

Shadowbrand wrote:Two personal reasons.

I like how the armies have a lot more selection. In 40k nigh half the codex's are power armor just in a different flavor. You don't get that, each fantasy army has an incredibly unique look and feel. Though some play in a similar way.

And, a lot less annoying kids play it.