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i would like to have a second army of guard because they look cool and i have no idea whats good or not and dont even tell me to buy the codex because im going to very soon when i decide or when i have an idea of what i need

Also i have a budget so all the money i save is great



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Battleforce is usually a good choice whatever army you're going for, though a rough theme of what you want would help with suggestions. Guard have a great ability to carry off vastly different appearances depending on your theme and playstyle. I.e. Mech Guard will take alot of different units to powerblobs or gunline. Catachans are different to Cadians. And thats without factoring in the Forge World Guardsman.

Best advice is pick a theme, and likely a battle force, with guard you will end up painting alot of models so you have to love what you do.

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Figure out what style of play do you want. Mech guard with alot of Leman Russes and Chimeras. Or, foot guard. Big masses of troops in a single platoon. Do you want to go with Vlaks/Vendettas. Figure that out first then go from there.

The battle force is always a good start for IG, unlike other armies. You at least have a playable army out of the box, two vet squads and a Company Command Squad.

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i would like to play cadians with HW teams, chimeras for transport, Vendettas and support vehicles like LR

or vostroyan

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Vostroyans will cost you alot, so, if you are on a budget, don't go that way. You can never go wrong with purchasing a Chimera or LR.

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As mentioned, pick if you want to do more of an infantry horde or a transport horde. Once you've done that, then buy three boxes of infantry and then, if you're doing a horde, three more boxes of infantry, or if you're doing a chimera-based army three chimeras.

That will give you enough to begin work on a CCS and two troops choices. You'll probably want to go to a bitz site to get some upgrades (especially special weapons), which you take will depend on your list.

With guard, it's easy to make a decision and then have to make a dozen models later to change your list, so it's a really good idea to know in advance just what your starting list will look like.

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At the end of the day, cost isn't as important as enjoyment. If you really like the look of Vostroyans, then get Vostroyans. You can take your time with the collecting side of things, play smaller games, and take the time to get your models painted. You'll be much happier with your collection than you will be if you just get Cadians because they're cheaper.

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Kaldor wrote:At the end of the day, cost isn't as important as enjoyment. If you really like the look of Vostroyans, then get Vostroyans. You can take your time with the collecting side of things, play smaller games, and take the time to get your models painted. You'll be much happier with your collection than you will be if you just get Cadians because they're cheaper.


This, I hate cadians, yet I've probably got over a hundred of the little boogers in my army case right now. I bought them cheap off a guy I knew, but if i had had to buy all of them new, I would've hated it. They literally exist as filler till I can convert up a new force of guardsmen that doesn't look like a bunch of guys in hockey helmets running around with nerf guns.

Picking an army you like the looks of is essential for this, because if you hate what they look like, you'll never like your army. And when you have to start assembling dozens of the little guys, you better start liking them real quick.

Another option is, if you're planning on using an army style that involves tons of guardsmen (aka, all of them) you may want to try and find a bunch off of ebay or something on the cheap side. People are always unloading guardsmen, so it shouldn't be hard at all to find some good deals, as long as you're willing to get rid of their old paint jobs.

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I don't love Cadians, but really they are the only choice, as the Catachan models are even worse. Everything else is either metal, resin, or hard to come by, and the thing about guard is you need quite a few of them even for a small point game. Also, for me, those little army men are only there to provide support for those beautiful, marvelous tanks. Guard have the coolest vehicle models in the game, with their awesome World War I/Star Wars/Aliens/Russian Army mashup look. You'll end up buying tanks to support your troops, then more troops to support your tanks, then more tanks... It's glorious!

What I would suggest is get the codex, then check through the model selection at your local store, and buy the one you like the most. It pretty much doesn't matter which one, as guard have really no readily available terrible choices. (If you can't make up your mind, you can't go wrong with a Leman Russ, build it as a Battle Tank. A lot of people will tell you to magnetize, but you will use the Battle Tank model about 95% of the time anyway.) Meanwhile, peruse the net for army list recommendations and battle reports, make yourself a 1,000 point list, build it and play it a few times. Then figure out how to get it to 1,500. This process could take you months or year, and by the time you are done you should have a better idea of what you want and can afford.

I've been playing guard for about 2.5 years, and I can put together 2,000 points of full mech, full foot, or (my preference) a hybrid. All together I have about 3K points, and I still need more.... Always need more...

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Kaldor wrote:At the end of the day, cost isn't as important as enjoyment. If you really like the look of Vostroyans, then get Vostroyans. You can take your time with the collecting side of things, play smaller games, and take the time to get your models painted. You'll be much happier with your collection than you will be if you just get Cadians because they're cheaper.


That is some of the best advice you will get. Get what you like, go slow and enjoy.

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As mentioned the battleforce bought a few times over can make for a great beginning force.

Buy a single battleforce and 1-2 chimeras, build them up within reason (I say this because you nee more plasmas or meltas then the set gives you).

then buy a heavy support or Vendetta + battle force, then another couple of chimeras and battleforce.

Once you're done with this buy more and slowly build up the army, and with 3 battleforces you can begin to get some more meltas and plasmas, although you may fnd you need to convert the GL / Flamer into a melta like i did, or buy the melta/plasma pack of 2.
   
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i would prefer a transport list because in the games i have seen without a tank IG tend to die FAST

Also i think the cadians look better than orks



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i think im just going to go slow and do vostroyan because they look the best to me

they call to me



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Honestly I would just bite the bullet and get a bunch of cadians; the 2 things every IG army needs are guardsmen and Chimeras. If I did it again this is how I would go about it:

About 100 guardsmen
8 Chimeras
9 Heavy weaoon teams
Bits for plasma/meltaguns for the guardsmen.

You can convert chimera hulls and repurpose them into hellhounds or artillery as need be. With the heavy weapon teams, dont glue the gun on the tripod so you can swap between different weapons.

At that point you can spring for a tank or vendetta. But everything else you'll want lots of, and this is a good way to do it.
   
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thanks
but vostroyans come with 1 heavy wep so i might as well just stick to it



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salamander117 wrote:i would like to have a second army of guard because they look cool and i have no idea whats good or not and dont even tell me to buy the codex because im going to very soon when i decide or when i have an idea of what i need

Also i have a budget so all the money i save is great


Usually a lot easier to decide what you need by buying and reading the codex and not trying to decide what you need and *then* buying the codex...

Just sayin'...

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salamander117 wrote:i would like to play cadians with HW teams, chimeras for transport, Vendettas and support vehicles like LR

or vostroyan


I love the vostroyan minis and built my second IG army around them. The only problem is that they are all metal so will cost a bit more than the plastic cadians will. Also converting metal special weapon troopers with weapons close in to their bodies is a pain in the neck which leaves you with the pain or just sticking to only those special weapons readily available in vostroyans. The cadian plastics are nice minis, but are really getting tiresome. They are the only fully *decent* plastic line available for IG so 90% of IG players have them these days. Would love to see GW get rid of the stupidly overmuscled catchan plastics and make plastic vostroyans or tallarn or even valhallans. Those would be some nice plastics and different enough from the cadians to be interesting and open things up some.

If you have the cash and the time I would go with the Vostroyans...they have a cool napoleonic feel to them.

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i have pretty much decided to go with vostroyan because i can go really slow because i already have 1 army to use in the mean time

also the FLGS is pretty laid back and if they dont have that particular weapon they can have a different one if you pay for it

even in tournaments



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If you want a good, competitive list, then Veterans on Chimeras is a nice option. If you buy a Battleforce and three chimeras, you'd have a Command Squad and two Veteran squads, all in transports. You might want to pick up some special weapons for your Vets and your Command Squad (protip: it can take 4 of them, so don't hold back). The Heavy Weapon teams you can use on your Vets. In the future, you can buy more infantry boxes and Chimeras to build up your army. Vendettas and Leman Russ tanks (particulary the Battle Tank or the Executioner) are some of the jewels in the codex, so picking up a couple of those is a good idea. When you move to bigger lists, taking an Officer of the Fleet and an Astropath will help you a lot, since together they mess up with the enemy's reserves and help you get yours much more easily. On Special Characters, Marbo is a no-brainer. He's rudiculously cheap and can take out a squad of Terminators, Meganobz or some other pricey unit with little to no risk. The rest won't do you much good with a mechanized infantry list, except maybe Pask if you have the points and want to make one of your tanks much more dangerous.

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thanks



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salamander117 wrote:i think im just going to go slow and do vostroyan because they look the best to me

they call to me
If they call to you, you can't go wrong. When I first started I was playing Chaos, but after awhile I found that in any piece of fluff or battle report I saw that involved the Eldar, I was always hoping for them to win. I switched to Eldar as my "main" army, and have really enjoyed it. I still play Chaos, but not nearly as often.

If you like the look and the fluff of the Vostroyen, then definitely go with them. I've always preferred them to the other guardsmen models (though I've gotta say, the Mordian Iron Guard are silly enough to make me want to use them.)

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GimbleMuggernaught wrote: If they call to you, you can't go wrong. When I first started I was playing Chaos, but after awhile I found that in any piece of fluff or battle report I saw that involved the Eldar, I was always hoping for them to win. I switched to Eldar as my "main" army, and have really enjoyed it. I still play Chaos, but not nearly as often.

If you like the look and the fluff of the Vostroyen, then definitely go with them. I've always preferred them to the other guardsmen models (though I've gotta say, the Mordian Iron Guard are silly enough to make me want to use them.)


If the army calls to you it is definitely the way to go. I've have built and owned 20+ armies for 40k through the years, but always come back to chaos in its myriad forms. It just is what I love in the 40k universe. I've pretty much sold off all of my extra armies down to those in my sig, and they are all chaos. I am working on a new Dark Eldar army and creating a list for a new orkie horde ( haven't had an ork army in a decade or more), but still probably play most of my games with my chaos forces.

As for the mordian's I used to find the concept of them always wearing their dress uniforms on the battlefield to be impractical and then thought about it and realized that marines in bright blue, yellow and orange red armor isn't exactly all that practical on the battlefield either. So was able to stop being bothered by it.

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salamander117 wrote:i have pretty much decided to go with vostroyan because i can go really slow because i already have 1 army to use in the mean time

also the FLGS is pretty laid back and if they dont have that particular weapon they can have a different one if you pay for it

even in tournaments


Looking at the figs on the GW website the only special weapon missing is the meltagun and the only heavy weapon not specifically available for the voyestrans is the auto-cannon. You should be able to more easily convert heavies with autocannons though since you can pick up some of weapon that already has a tripod setup to use for it.

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the heavy that ive seen work in IG games are HB and LC so i will maybe get others to try but i have been told no mortars EVER




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Start with the basics and buy the minimum units that can work with both sides.

3x Command squads. - This will cover your HQ and two Plattoon command squads.
4x infantry squads - This lets you run two platoons or 4 vet squads or mixed
__________________ This is the minimum (1HQ , 2 Troops)__________

4x heavy weapon squads - This will let you build 3 Lascannon, 3 bolter, 3 mortar, and 3 AC squads, you can buy more after you determine which ones you like and each one has a different purpose.
1-2x Leman Russ's

This will get you started with a well rounded basic IG Army. You can choose to go mechanized by buying Chimeras, AirCav with Valkyries or footy by buying a million more Infantry squads.

I personally play armored with 3 Russ's and 3 hellhound or variants.

EDIT* Mortars are awesome in 500 point battles, ost of the peaople that say mortars suck don use them properly or have unrealistic expectations. The new 6th ed rulebook supposedly, only rumor, that mortars will be getting a buff in regards to pinning. Everytime I use mortars they average 3-5 kills per turn and pin every time.

Personal Note: If I could start my IG Army all over again I'd use the DKoK models.

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It will be very pricey, but if you want Vostroyan, you can get the Command Squads, a counts-as creed, some infantry platoon and spam orders. A gunline led by Creed is something to be afraid of if you know how to use it. Also, it fits with the whole "russian" theme.



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nice i can already imagine.....



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by power blob you mean horde right



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If you are planning around IG, I have found the following to be true:

Gunlines/Mass Blobs = Amazing fun, only semi-viable against a well skilled player. I prefer Cadians over all other forms of Guardsmen for these type of armies. Mainly for the fact that you are 100% utterly sending your men to die. However, I went Gunline/Blob just for that reason, to send my Guardsmen to their death in glorious battle!! You will also find a lot more "natural" counters to this type of list, as there are many weapons in the game to overcome blobs.

Chimera/Armor = This is a much more competitive build, but I find it to be less fun. Running 2-3 Veterans in Chimeras all with Meltaguns will annihilate just about anyone you come across. Add that in with the extremely durable LRBT and amazing Vendetta and nobody will be able to stop you. When I want to win, I bring these lists and I can't recall a single time I've lost.

It's really up to you after that, but it will greatly effect your spending habits. I find that the Battleforce isn't bad, but only if you plan on using Sentinels (not horrible if you outflank 3). If you do not want to use Sentinels, and more specifically if you are going Chimera/Armor you want to buy your stuff piecemeal as there will be far less wasted units. Additionally, note the fact that Mortars suck and don't waste time/units building them. I would personally say forgo even the HB and go Autocannon or above, but that suggestion can vary depending on your local Meta game. They suck in my group, not very hard to work around.

Other thing is that IG can turn into a boring army to play. "Switching things up" with Space Marines/Eldar/Orks/Etc means you can do just about anything you want and bring a wide range of unique units. CC heavy, Ranged Heavy, Tank Heavy, Psyker Heavy, Mixed Bag, Etc. However, IG are always going to have a shooty feel to them, and they will also always be bringing the same stuff. However, this also makes them very easy to play and alright as a beginner army. Guardsmen every game, some form of tank every game, it can indeed get semi-dull.

Other than that, don't be afraid to try some really fun things with them! They do have some fun units (Guardsmen Marbo looking at you), and you can do some fun stuff (my personal favorite is always bring Castellan Creed and outflanking 40 Guardsmen with a Commissar! :3). Other than that, be prepared to put down some good money for not many points of IG, as you need a lot just to play at low point levels. This is not an army you want to play if you are strapped for cash IMHO.

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