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Okay,

Looking at fielding this beast of an ork. I know his ability to make all Waaaagh!! rolls a six basicly and the ability sticks around during the other players turn. What are some nasty tricks that I can use while I field him?

Snikrot I guess

Okay, what does that do?



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Just read the rules. So, walk in from any edge. Should that be a base squad with Snikrot, or, full out 15 man tricked out death star.

You can show up with Ghazkull Thraka from any board edge with a Kommando Squad and Snikrot.

Yeah, but if you roll for their move, they are all dead. Besides, it's and utter waste of kommandoz, thrakka and points to do so. If you want to ambush an IC use a biker warboss or the mad dok.

The best way to use Ghazghkull Thrakka is to drop him out of a transport (battlewagon/trukk) and have him hulk-smash any unit whose faces you don't like. He will most likely emerge victorious. He is also a great babysitter for burnaz, as he brings high ld and a boss pole to them, while they provide him with the means to handle hordes.

Wouldn't Thraka make it harder for you to position the templates, though? With S&P, I mean.

martin74 wrote:Okay,

Looking at fielding this beast of an ork. I know his ability to make all Waaaagh!! rolls a six basicly and the ability sticks around during the other players turn. What are some nasty tricks that I can use while I field him?

I've played against him a bunch in lower points. A trukk holds 12 models, so 10 'Ard Boys and Ghaz is a nice little assault unit. He also lets you take a squad of Nobs as a troop choice and I personally think the nobs on bikes are sick-nasty. You can equip them each differently to benefit the most from wound allocation and they always have a 4+ cover save and a 3+ if they turbo, they are simply put, awesome in my opinion.

He's not fearless outside of Waaagh, so be carefully placing him in smaller squads as its possible to lose a combat and get swept. Also try to use his waaagh in assault so that it lasts for 2 assault turns. He is a beast tho and can go toe 2 toe with most units in the game.

They add anti-horde by simply being boyz with fancy weapons, rather than by templating stuff. Even without S&P you usually don't get to shoot about half the burnaz.

I plan on using him in my next match could you explain how his WAAAGH lasts both assaults so I can properly use him to get his Max potential.

rubicant99 wrote:He's not fearless outside of Waaagh, so be carefully placing him in smaller squads as its possible to lose a combat and get swept. Also try to use his waaagh in assault so that it lasts for 2 assault turns. He is a beast tho and can go toe 2 toe with most units in the game.

Even with boyz he is unlikely to lose combat, as he tends to cause at least three wounds all by himself and even in case of a minor loss, you still have his ld 9 and boss pole. If you consider that at least one opponent is forced to fight him and his T5/2+/5++ you are pretty save from losing. Unless you are charging something that's ridiculously effective against boyz and can survive 11 PK attacks, of course.


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ravenousork25 wrote:I plan on using him in my next match could you explain how his WAAAGH lasts both assaults so I can properly use him to get his Max potential.

It doesn't. It works for the turn you call it and the next turn. So either your opponents turn and your turn, or your turn and your following opponents turn. For this duration all your non-fleeing orks are fearless and Thrakka has a 2++ invul save, in addition to a guaranteed 6" fleet move.

Jidmah wrote:They add anti-horde by simply being boyz with fancy weapons, rather than by templating stuff. Even without S&P you usually don't get to shoot about half the burnaz.

Do the models that don't use templates get to use Power Weapons in the assault phase?

Apart from putting him with Snikrot...which isn't a great idea, theres no real tricks. Nor does he need them.

Its just getting the timing right on the waaagh.

TedNugent wrote:

Jidmah wrote:They add anti-horde by simply being boyz with fancy weapons, rather than by templating stuff. Even without S&P you usually don't get to shoot about half the burnaz.

Do the models that don't use templates get to use Power Weapons in the assault phase?

Yes. It's a pain in the back to track which ones are which though.

I throw him in a squad of 5-10 Kommandos, including Snikrot and two kommandos armed with burnas.

His Waaagh! does wonders for my unit of Dok Grotsnik and his MANZ team, as well.

I have not been over impressed by him yet. So far this year i've faced him 2x. I killed him each time with a Killa Kan. Both times had him in a small unit of Mega Armored boyz. Kans swing fast then Power Klaws. From a cost vs damage point of view, its worth while to spike him if you get the jump on him.

I've seen players use him with success with Snikrot. But again, its basically run in, stomp on something like Long Fangs, Devestators, Shooty Hive Guard, Tau, etc. In this role he is excellent as your opponent is forced to turn around and deal with him. He's great vs those Guard players who bulk in a corner.

I wonder how you manage to kill him with a model that hits on 5+, gets saved 1/3 of the time and can't instant-death him, while he gets at least five attacks hitting on 3+ and auto-glancing the kan. During his Waaagh! he even gets a 2++ save against those DCCW.

I have had Thrakka kill six kanz in two turns, I really do wonder what happened in your game.

Yeah, I don't see 3 Kans killing thrakka unless he was already wounded and had his waagh down. He has eternal warrior which would prevent the DCCW id.

I am going to be running a list that has grots, thrakka, tons of boyz and kannons soon. I also have my trukk of mega nobs. I can't decided wether to slog him or put him in the trukk.

Jidmah you see to think he works best asaulting out of a vehicle, which is my gut, plus manz get BP then. Would be a good unit for multi assault, or has the option to split up. Slogging him w 30 shootas seems like a viable option as well. Opinions?

stick him in a big 20-30 squad of boyz with dok grotsnik so he, and the boyz are fearless, do not have him in shoota boyz though, declare a waaagh! charge into combat, the boyz will kill what they can, then ghazguls and grotsniks powerclaws will sort out the remainders, not to mention grotsniks urty srynge.

hope this helps

Once in the group with the Dok, is he able to leave it if he wants? I was rereading the scalpel rule last night and it is a little unclear as to wether Ghaz could leave once he joins. I know the dok can not. But there is nothing that explicitly says another IC can not leave/join whenever they want to.

ghazgul can leave but grotsnik cannot

They only way I'd put in Ghazzy with Snikrot is in a basic KanWall list.

The the KanWall marching forward, your opponent may be leery of the Ambush tactic and thus try to move away from the table edge... thus, towards the KanWall. Which is the point .

Otherwise, he goes in a battlewagon with some boyz/nobz.

Whould you ever put Ghaz in a kommando unit without Snikrot? Or is his ambush rule a must have. I only ask this because I plan to run a kanwall with ghaz

It's the only point of putting him in a Kommando unit. It's Snikrot's ability that allows him to come in on any side other than your own with them, because it's not a "special rule" and states that it applies to Snikrot's "unit", which if added to the kommandos before the begininng of the game includes Ghaz.

So then is should use a min 5 man squad with no upgrades other than snikrot just to get ghaz there.

Jidmah wrote:I wonder how you manage to kill him with a model that hits on 5+, gets saved 1/3 of the time and can't instant-death him, while he gets at least five attacks hitting on 3+ and auto-glancing the kan. During his Waaagh! he even gets a 2++ save against those DCCW.

I have had Thrakka kill six kanz in two turns, I really do wonder what happened in your game.

Pretty easily: no waagh

No where do i reference instant killing him. Simply, he died to Killa Kans IE failed invulnerable saves. Its pretty easy to do, he's got wounds, but your going to be able to get through forcing 5+'s on charging killa kans with some luck. In my example above, he already had a 2 wounds. 6 killa kans vs 2 wound Ghaz = typically dead Ghaz without a waggh.

At this years colonial I took him down also.
Ghaz + 3 Mega Armor boys
vs
Burna Boyz & Warboss with Big Choppa.

My burna boyz & Warboss dispatched the Mega Armor boys, along with dropping Ghaz. In this example, volume of attacks. Mega armor boyz vs burna boyz is not good for Mega Armor. Add in extra burna boys fighting Ghaz, he still dies.

Ghaz is an excellent model. However, its all about that Waagh turn. You must Waggh during your turn. So write it down big and bold on your army roster or your going to leave him vulnerable. In my 2 examples the first the opponent had already burned his waagh. In the 2nd I caught the opponent before he waagh'd. When facing him, you can force the opponent to burn it by putting him in a bad position, then counter attacking with models who are well suited IE Burna boyz with high volumes of attacks. Lots of armies can dump lots of attacks on him easily and drop him fast.

Id tool them out with 15 kommandos snikrot and maybe a burner more bodies between ghaz and any ap2 weponary the enemy has at the back

You can use kommandos with snikrot to protect ghaz, since he will come in from reserves and can't be shot at before hand. That's a good thing. He shows up from reserves, does his thing, and everythings good.

skycapt44 wrote:So then is should use a min 5 man squad with no upgrades other than snikrot just to get ghaz there.

Noooo, I always add two burnas to the squad.

It should have Ghaz, two plain kommandos, two burna kommandos, Snikrot.

njpc wrote:
Pretty easily: no waagh

6 killa kans vs 2 wound Ghaz = typically dead Ghaz without a waggh.

This is likely but how does this happen? either by not having the waaagh or allowing 6 killa kans to charge.

I wouldn't let this sillyness put you off ghaz, he is awesome. and if like me, youve ever lined yourself up for a decent waaagh and lots of units have got 1/2s. it can really swing the match against you. Ghaz prevents this