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Hey all.

So the rules for the Dais state that it's "a special raider dedicated transport with three dark lances and sophisticated force shields that give it armour 13 on all sides. The Dais of Destruction must begin the game carrying nine models in addition to Vect himself. Other than this, it is treated exactly like a raider."

The part I've quoted in italics is the point of interest for me, since it can be construed as saying that everything stated previously in the paragraph is NOT subject to the rules for raiders. Which includes the part about "nine models" - it is unspecific as to whether they need be models that could usually take a raider.

So my question: could you take 9 harlequins to begin the game embarked upon the Dais with Vect?

Dont see why not!

Sounds fine to me.

And freakin' cool.

Yep, you can put nine models worth of whatever you want in there.

Expensive but legal as far as I can see,
two points to bear in mind though,
1. You can't buy upgrades for the DoD,
2. The Veil of Tears rule will not work on the DoD while the Harlequins are embarked.

marv335 wrote:2. The Veil of Tears rule will not work on the DoD while the Harlequins are embarked.

More correct would be to say VoT won't work on the DoD, or any other transport, ever. The transport is not the same unit as the Harlequins.

yes you can start the game with them in it.

it's vect's transport and he needs to fill it with 9 additional models.


What I am wondering is if you can take 9 grotesques in it. It says it contains vect and 9 models. Doesnt say anything about it having a transport capacity of 10. The rule that lets you take vect and 9 models supercedes any general raider rule.

Exergy wrote:yes you can start the game with them in it.

it's vect's transport and he needs to fill it with 9 additional models.


What I am wondering is if you can take 9 grotesques in it. It says it contains vect and 9 models. Doesnt say anything about it having a transport capacity of 10. The rule that lets you take vect and 9 models supercedes any general raider rule.

This man raises an interesting point..

I think RAW then.. yes, you can take 9 grotesques.

"Other than this , it is treated exactly like a Raider"
Since Transport Capacity is not mentioned, it would be the same as a regular Raider, so 10 models. That means only 4 Grotesques would be able to fit, and you would need 5 models that take up a combined space of 1 model.

You can't take 10 grotesques because of the grotesques' Bulky rule (pg 39), which makes each count as two models for the purpose of transport capacity. Since the DoD's rules specifically state "nine models", it's technically impossible to have only grotesques with Vect - the best you could do would be 4 grots + another IC to effectively equal 9 models.

Ulthanashville wrote:You can't take 10 grotesques because of the grotesques' Bulky rule (pg 39), which makes each count as two models for the purpose of transport capacity. Since the DoD's rules specifically state "nine models", it's technically impossible to have only grotesques with Vect - the best you could do would be 4 grots + another IC to effectively equal 9 models.

Add a haemi or Urien and that could be a scary unit. And priority target.

However, you do not have 9 models. You are filling all 10 spots, but only have 6 models. So that also prevents you from using Grotesques as some of the models.

Happyjew wrote:However, you do not have 9 models. You are filling all 10 spots, but only have 6 models. So that also prevents you from using Grotesques as some of the models.

Doesn't the 'Bulky' rule say that they 'count as two models for transport capacity'?

puma713 wrote:

Happyjew wrote:However, you do not have 9 models. You are filling all 10 spots, but only have 6 models. So that also prevents you from using Grotesques as some of the models.

Doesn't the 'Bulky' rule say that they 'count as two models for transport capacity'?

Yes, but the DoD rule doesn't say to be carrying 9 models worth of transport capacity - it says to be carrying 9 models.

Rigeld is correct here - you need 9 models, not 9 models worth of transport capacity

I love how rigeld posts a similar remark as me, and he gets all the credit. Oh well, C'est la vie.

Happyjew wrote:I love how rigeld posts a similar remark as me, and he gets all the credit. Oh well, C'est la vie.

It's because I'm so much cooler. And remember, me and nos are the same person.

Forgot about that. That would explain why you are arguing with yourself on the IB - Lurk thread.

Sorry happyjew, didnt spot that one

And drink explains me arguing with myself

Not to derail the thread, but does this also mean that you can get around the Dawn of War "1 HQ and up to two Troops" deployment? If you take Asdrubael, and the DoD, you have to take nine models, but the DoW scenario says only an HQ and 2 troops can be placed on the field. Could you take 9 Incubi + Vect to get around that?

I don't think you could take incubi, but i believe you would be able to take wyches or any other troop choice and that would count as 1 HQ and 1 troop. Right?

No, because the Dais is a multiple unit choice - its an HQ choice, meaning you have 2 hq choices with the dais plus vect

Interesting. so the Dais (or any other DT for that matter) counts as a troop/hq/elite/whatever choice in this scenario? Or I guess because it says unit, it means that the Troops choice +DT are two separate units?

Yes, you can have multiple units per Force Organization chart choice. The example given for Dawn of War in the main rulebook clarifies this.

Gotcha. Just making sure.