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Blood of Kittens Via Facebook wrote:It looks like my server overload wasn't what I thought it was. It turns out that it was a "denial of service attack" which basically means someone or a group of someones was trying to crash my site from out country. For what reasons I have no idea, but anyway will have to make some major fixes to my site for it work properly.

Someone got angry.

Here's the question: Are you OK with someone DDOSing BoK after their "Rumor Thread that Could Have Been a Hoax and A Way to Get Free Rumors, But Also Could Have Been Genuine" thread?

Poll's open until BoK Returns!

On a side note, who do you think will be blamed for this? (Think Group of people (DakkaDakka, MWG, Redshirts, GW conspiracy, Chaos Players, DA players, etc etc)

I am sure they pissed someone off,and probably deserve it.

I'm not ok with anyone getting DDOS'd unless they are doing something outright malicious or dishonest. With that said, what the hell is blood of kittens and what did it have that could not have been copy/pasted into every rumor forum in existence? Nuking the source doesn't nuke the rumor so I don't get it.

DDOS is censorship, and for that reason alone, DDOS is wrong.

Dais wrote:... With that said, what the hell is blood of kittens and what did it have that could not have been copy/pasted into every rumor forum in existence?

Blood of Kittens is a 40k blog. Recently, the announcement of rumors was announced (come back tomorrow and I'll post my big rumor!) combined with a call for other people to submit their rumors (you show me your and I'll show you mine). The next day, the post was followed up with some rumors (Basically, chaos loses Daemons, gains Cultists/Traitors, something that anyone who's read a single thread on the new starter set could have concluded on their own) as well as a claim that the author had some rumors on 6e, that he wasn't going to post until he upgraded his server or something (ie, you should keep checking every day for new rumors!) Annoying, desperate and overly showy, sure, but not exactly the content that one would expect to elicit vitriol resulting in a DDOS attack.

I don't believe this was actually a DDOS.

Last time, his server crashed and he had an excuse about it then too.

Honestly, I don't know what Blood of Kittens is. Nor do I know what DDOS means. Apparently, it's a form of censorship, but I'm not entirely sure who is being censored, who is censoring them, or why. From what I can gather, person/group A ('Blood of Kittens') is doing something foolish, rude, or juvenile on the Internet. (I, for one, am stunned that juvenile behavior is being conducted on the Internet.) Person/group B is behind this 'DDOSing,' which frankly sounds like some obscure (and probably illegal) style of pornography, which somehow interferes with or shuts down person/group A's website. Or some people think that person/group B is faking it, it sounds like.

This doesn't particularly sound like an egregious human rights violation. Either way, it sounds like the sort of childish behavior that makes me avoid most places on the Internet. I appreciate the neutral tone of your query by the way, Chowder. I don't really feel like this issue is one that I would feel strongly about even if I did fully understand it, but I'm happy to give my (frankly uninformed and probably unpopular) opinion to you, though.

It's not "censorship" in any real accepted manner, outside of the fact that you prevent someone from showcasing their viewpoint.

DDOS is "Direct Denial of Service", a form of attack against a website done by bombarding the site until it crashes.

It's actually distributed denial of service - so named because there's a number of machines involved, distributed around the world.

And it's not too hard to fix - certainly doesn't require major changes to his site.

All I can tell is someone out there, either the DDOSing chaps or the chaps at BOK, is nerd-raging. Come on, we're all better than that.

It was Alpha Legion.

Seems a bit pointless...

Its a 40k Blog/website, that was posting a few rumours.... The only people who might want to shut down the site, would be GW if they knew those rumours were correct (but then, they've not done that to any sites before have they, and there have been correct rumours before). Anyone else doing it, would just be pathetic, protecting there own strange release schedules/no telling anyone what that is, at least justifies GW wanting the website shutdown.

The server probably just crashed, and they are trying to make it sound more exiting.
This whole, come back for more every day thing, and then this, they are just trying to get more visitors.

When someone is so desperate to get attention like BoK, it is difficult to tell when he actually is the target of something serious. His so called rumours contain only about half the things posted on Dakka for quite some time. Next he posts that he expects at least one new plastic kit for the next Codex release.

Seems fine to me it was basically a scam to generate more ad revenue, if you act in an immoral fashion prepare for karma to kick in.

Kroothawk wrote:When someone is so desperate to get attention like BoK, it is difficult to tell when he actually is the target of something serious. His so called rumours contain only about half the things posted on Dakka for quite some time. Next he posts that he expects at least one new plastic kit for the next Codex release.

I agree, it's impossible to tell. It could well be an attempt at making easily excitable sensationalists say 'OMG guys, he was obviously on to something so GW have hacked the site!)

I do know though that behaving in a confrontational manner, and actually taking stuff from other people's blogs (then posting it as their own), means that there could well be a fairly long list of people who might want to do something like this..

If he is trying to get hits for ads then this is also a pretty simple tactic.

"Guys, I am being attacked with a DDOS!"

Weird, let me see if it is working now...*click = ad view*

Regardless of whether or not it was DDOS, or an ad thing gone wrong, this attitude:

Thortek wrote:I am sure they pissed someone off,and probably deserve it.

is absolutely ridiculous. Thortek, you pissed me off with your comment. Does that mean you now deserve to have your car, home, or other property vandalized? Seriously, you're justifying criminal actions as deserved because someone pissed someone else off?

Blood of Kittens thanks you for the traffic that this thread has created.

The site went down - I assume he is not the technical person behind the site- so why would he bother to lie?

It is not super difficult to DDOS a site, especially if you have a large number of machines and the ability to IP hop.

Edit: Either way it is a criminal act - I cannot believe anyone with anything resembling a palpable moral code could ever condone this kind of vandalism. If you think it is okay, it is time for some self reflection.

I guess I see it like this..... BoK it pretty much a douche for what he did but a distributed denial of service attack is not only a crime but it takes away everyone elses ability to decide for themselves what they think about BoK.

It really isn't cool and I am surprised so many people think it is ok.

Criminal does not equal immoral

calypso2ts wrote:The site went down - I assume he is not the technical person behind the site- so why would he bother to lie?

To drive up hits for his website, to polarize the fanbase, etc. By saying that it was done "out of country", he very likely could be implying that Games Workshop's techmonkeys did this to "shut him down" before he revealed some amazing secret.

In reality, this same thing happened with the Necron release. The site claimed that they would have a huge outpouring of "leaked information!" and then immediately went down for a short timeframe with a DNS error. He claimed it was "a regularly scheduled server upgrade"--but if so, why not say as much before claiming you've got this huge batch of information coming?

It is not super difficult to DDOS a site, especially if you have a large number of machines and the ability to IP hop.

Indeed it is not.

Edit: Either way it is a criminal act - I cannot believe anyone with anything resembling a palpable moral code could ever condone this kind of vandalism. If you think it is okay, it is time for some self reflection.

Quite frankly:
I have a very palpable moral code.
I find it "okay" for someone to do this to BoK, mostly because I know nobody is going to freaking bother doing it to BoK. It's another grab for attention and blog views.

Let me clarify that last bit.
If someone actually has done it--then yes, it's not okay and clearly should be investigated as a criminal act.
But I find the likelihood of it actually having been a DDOS attack as likely as North Korea invading the moon.

This was not a DDoS attack, at least not in the sense people assume. His servers crashed because they couldn't handle the traffic. One of my clients at work is a very popular site that has scheduled sales for their merch and the rush of site traffic at the sale launches has crashed their site on occasion. It doesn't sound any different than this - he just wasn't prepared for the traffic.


He's Ghosting out to cash in on ad revenue. Simple as that.

Cadaver wrote:This was not a DDoS attack, at least not in the sense people assume. His servers crashed because they couldn't handle the traffic. One of my clients at work is a very popular site that has scheduled sales for their merch and the rush of site traffic at the sale launches has crashed their site on occasion. It doesn't sound any different than this - he just wasn't prepared for the traffic.


He's Ghosting out to cash in on ad revenue. Simple as that.

Sounds logical to me actually.

1. BOK claims he has undisclosed Chaos rumours...

2. BOK site crashes...

3.

The guy always seemed to me like someone who would either make up rumors, post very vague rumors, post rumors that are obviously true, or post already confirmed rumors. This is just a publicity stunt. I think I heard someone say once that he's only right 50% of the time which isn't very hard.

(Off-topicish)I'm still not sold on all 6th ed. rumors, 5th has only been out for a couple of years and GW is still making plenty of money off everyone buying the new "Best army, can't win unless you play it" and tanks.

LordTyphus, you heard wrong. BoK has a very reliable track record. The idea that he's making up rumors now for blog traffic is preposterous.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:LordTyphus, you heard wrong. BoK has a very reliable track record. The idea that he's making up rumors now for blog traffic is preposterous.

His "reliable track record" is overshadowed by the fact that this exact same thing has happened before.

-Makes a promise of "huge news, guys!"
-Servers go down.
-Makes a claim that shifts blame to someone else(I can't say I'm surprised at the idea of a DDoS attack, since it's totally en vogue with how often they've been happening the past few years)
-Comes back with vague rumors and pieces which other, more reliable rumormongers don't dispute the gist of but the specifics.

It's not like he's some messiah of rumors. It's incredibly easy to say "Army x is finally getting a model for y... soon" because it's true, for a lot of cases if you replaces "x" with an army and "y" with a model that army doesn't have you'd have a true rumor.
Then, down the line when it does come true you get to gloat around how right you are, or if on the rare occasion it's not true you can just say "Wave 3 folks, I guess I looked TOO far into the future".

Same thing goes for predicting army updates, "The next army will either be x, y, or z"
x = old outdated book, y = army with rumors already surrounding it's update, z = mechanically broken/unstable book.

Ever since GW really cracked down on it's information policy (and became fairly predictable) rumors just seem pointless to me

Kanluwen wrote:

MasterSlowPoke wrote:LordTyphus, you heard wrong. BoK has a very reliable track record. The idea that he's making up rumors now for blog traffic is preposterous.

His "reliable track record" is overshadowed by the fact that this exact same thing has happened before.

-Makes a promise of "huge news, guys!"
-Servers go down.
-Makes a claim that shifts blame to someone else(I can't say I'm surprised at the idea of a DDoS attack, since it's totally en vogue with how often they've been happening the past few years)

Who cares if his servers have gone down once before? He does indeed have a pretty awful server.

-Comes back with vague rumors and pieces which other, more reliable rumormongers don't dispute the gist of but the specifics.

Among other info, he pretty specifically laid out the rules for the Overlord, Catacomb Command Barge, and the C'tan before anyone else. This wasn't vague info, but pretty much an line by line description. IIRC the only rumormonger who disputed it was Ghost21.

LordTyphus wrote:It's not like he's some messiah of rumors. It's incredibly easy to say "Army x is finally getting a model for y... soon" because it's true, for a lot of cases if you replaces "x" with an army and "y" with a model that army doesn't have you'd have a true rumor.
Then, down the line when it does come true you get to gloat around how right you are, or if on the rare occasion it's not true you can just say "Wave 3 folks, I guess I looked TOO far into the future".

Same thing goes for predicting army updates, "The next army will either be x, y, or z"
x = old outdated book, y = army with rumors already surrounding it's update, z = mechanically broken/unstable book.

Ever since GW really cracked down on it's information policy (and became fairly predictable) rumors just seem pointless to me

See above. He didn't give nebulous rumors that were stretched to fit the eventual truth.

LordTyphus wrote:It's not like he's some messiah of rumors. It's incredibly easy to say "Army x is finally getting a model for y... soon" because it's true, for a lot of cases if you replaces "x" with an army and "y" with a model that army doesn't have you'd have a true rumor.
Then, down the line when it does come true you get to gloat around how right you are, or if on the rare occasion it's not true you can just say "Wave 3 folks, I guess I looked TOO far into the future".

Same thing goes for predicting army updates, "The next army will either be x, y, or z"
x = old outdated book, y = army with rumors already surrounding it's update, z = mechanically broken/unstable book.

Ever since GW really cracked down on it's information policy (and became fairly predictable) rumors just seem pointless to me

He has more than 'predicted' army releases. He has posted early playtest copies. Something, no body else has been able to access or been willing to disclose. His information is generally 70-90% accurate as it comes from indirect sources, and playtest where things can change from the point where his source receives the info and the actual release. So far the only thing incredibly 'inaccurate' that he has posted was the 6th leak, and that time may turn out to prove to be more accurate then he is claiming after the fact.

He may not be a messiah of 40k rumors, but he is the best source of rumors aside from Yakface and Harry who generally are able to confirm his leaks or choose to deny.