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I was thinking. We appear to be getting a lot of rumours about 6th, Tau, Eldar, DA, Chaos. Etc etc etc.

People have spoken about GW releasing fake rumours to oust those leaking them or other similar situations and it got me thinking.

Remember the Simpson's? When Maggie shot Mr Burns? They made a number of endings for that episode and only chose the one to use as it was shown In an aim to keep a lid on 'who really done it', British soaps do this all the time. Looking at you EastEnders.

What are the chances GW may be doing the same thing. Perhaps developing two or even three versions of the new core box set so no one at GW HQ actually knows which is getting made. Maybe Jervis has the final say on which goes to print and will do that at the last moment to keep it hush hush. In some cases's even the plastic frames for both editions can be made without any waste as they can just be new kits for later release.

I am basing this on nothing, only an idea and thus wish to open it up to discussion.

What do you think?

Unlikely.

Most 'rumors' that are produced are people that want attention, hits or whatever and make something plausible up. Mixed in with that are some genuine folks who got a leak from a friend at GW that may or may not reflect something they are working on.

The likelihood of GW sending out disinformation is pretty low. You can't mass-produce kits and hold onto them for later release without incurring costs. Costs for production and storage for large scale production are not minimal.

pretre wrote:Unlikely.

Most 'rumors' that are produced are people that want attention, hits or whatever and make something plausible up. Mixed in with that are some genuine folks who got a leak from a friend at GW that may or may not reflect something they are working on.

The likelihood of GW sending out disinformation is pretty low. You can't mass-produce kits and hold onto them for later release without incurring costs. Costs for production and storage for large scale production are not minimal.

You are probably correct but remember that most of these projects start years before release so it is plausiable that people could see something well before it is released or see something that ends up never being released. So I would agree that GW has no interest in releaseing disinformation so why would they?

Its actually a common practice thats been around for a long time, give out different false rumours to everyone in your entourage, and when you hear back those rumours you know exactly who to fire/hang.

When I worked for the great enemy, I know a lot of people that would put on fake rumours based purely on their hatred for the online community, and as far as I can tell GW really dont like the online community because Ive heard nothing but bad things from the higher ups when it was brought up. I remember I got secret shopped by a regional manager once and was told I would be fired if I mention online rumours again, and this was back in the day when rumours were previews, not a crackheads ramblings.

brettz123 wrote:
You are probably correct but remember that most of these projects start years before release so it is plausiable that people could see something well before it is released or see something that ends up never being released. So I would agree that GW has no interest in releaseing disinformation so why would they?

When Gav Thrope graced the forums he said models start a year off, a dex takes about 3 months from start to printer and a rulebook is 6 months.

GW right now are concerned about leaked info, it is my opinion that GW absolutely hates informed customers because the more informed you are the more you realize just how much GW dicks you about, and makes you smarter with your money. Take Mandrakes for example, cool as hell models but the second everyone saw the leaked rules a vast majority of informed people were happy to let them stay on the shelf, while kids, dummies and the masochists bought them without question.

In TV, it's possible. It doesn't cost any major losses.

However, in GW terms, it's a costly procedure which holds almost no merits. The majority of rumours are founded by people who are just trying to get people to believe them.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:In TV, it's possible. It doesn't cost any major losses.

However, in GW terms, it's a costly procedure which holds almost no merits. The majority of rumours are founded by people who are just trying to get people to believe them.

I enjoy when I actually have evidence and being told its fake and photoshopped.

Actually, I believe it's been more or less established that they sometimes distribute slightly different versions to their playtest groups. The functional benefit to GW would seem to be that it lets them try different versions of rules concurrently. Obviously, a side benefit is that it helps in tracking down leaks.

But I just don't believe GW actually develops misinformation schemes like the OP described. They're a decently-sized company and all, but I find it hard to believe they'd devote resources to something like that, especially for a questionable benefit. Seems to me that simple termination threats have done a pretty good job at plugging all the leaks.

Ravenous D wrote:I enjoy when I actually have evidence and being told its fake and photoshopped.

Let me guess. This evidence that you have, you won't post because you don't want to be exposed. So we just have to take your word for the fact that you have some 'sekrit info'?

Good times.

pretre wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:I enjoy when I actually have evidence and being told its fake and photoshopped.

Let me guess. This evidence that you have, you won't post because you don't want to be exposed. So we just have to take your word for the fact that you have some 'sekrit info'?

Good times.

Your panties are in a bunch good sir, you should probably fix that

Nah if one has anything concrete you just pass it to the mods or rumour guys, its just fun to watch people balk, scoff and claim something is fake that you have in your hands.

Ravenous D wrote:Your panties are in a bunch good sir, you should probably fix that

Nah, I just find the 'Girlfriend from Canada' gambit to be a bit tiring.

Nah if one has anything concrete you just pass it to the mods or rumour guys, its just fun to watch people balk, scoff and claim something is fake that you have in your hands.

Maybe you need to work on your credibility if people automatically assume you have bogus info?

BlapBlapBlap wrote:In TV, it's possible. It doesn't cost any major losses.

However, in GW terms, it's a costly procedure which holds almost no merits. The majority of rumours are founded by people who are just trying to get people to believe them.

Not sure about that, filming alternate endings cost time and money. Writers have to write both endings and the actors have no idea which version will be shown despite acting in both versions. In essence this could be done by GW. Create four 6th edition armies. Release two with the new box game, the other two as the first 6th Dex's. Keep everyone on their toes.

Eldar, Tau, DA and Chaos could all be in development all with the intention of being in the box game, could explain the contradicting rumours on the forums as both/all are kinda correct.

I also suspect that due to the Hobbit lock down a new approach may be employed to stop leaks.

It also could be no ones willing to say what they no in fear of losing there Job, and no one wants that.

Anyway it was just an idea.

Filming an additional ending for a movie with a budget in tens of millions is a relative minor expense.

Producing and manufacturing convincing alternate model runs is a significantly larger portion of expense. They could design different ones, but as soon as something starts getting manufactured the cat is out of the bag.

pretre wrote:Filming an additional ending for a movie with a budget in tens of millions is a relative minor expense.

Producing and manufacturing convincing alternate model runs is a significantly larger portion of expense. They could design different ones, but as soon as something starts getting manufactured the cat is out of the bag.

Ah yes, on that I agree. Once production has started then Yes People will find out. How long does the manufacturing process take place?, Excluding making the moulds as that could be done as they will be used later for the dex release.

Back to the informed customer thing I mentioned, I just went on GWs website to cost out a necron army and the only time it doesnt allow you to switch countries is when you're in the shopping cart, and if you navigate away and switch countries it goes back to zero. Might not be anything but it seems to lean in the direction that GW really dont want you looking around, especially with the aussie embargo and the shopping cart deal in the US.

On the plus side I just saved $200 ordering from the warstore.

It does make sense for GW to do this as it will get more and more people talking about the hobby.

ash1986 wrote:It does make sense for GW to do this as it will get more and more people talking about the hobby.

Yeah but GW only want positive talk about the hobby, if you go to a gw store with the zealous manager you'll find anything even close to negative will get you pointed towards the door, I nearly got banned from one for pointing out the plot holes in the necron fluff...

The idea behind GW controlling hype is that it effects initial sales, if the initial sales are high they tend to carry on longer (duh) if the initial sales are low its dead product pretty much. For some evidence (for Pretre the er )



This is the hobby cone, its probably a little updated now but this is generally how GW think. The more "elite" you become in the GW hobby the smarter you become with your money, and the less GW care about you.

It's more then likely the fact that 99% of the rumours you hear are made up.

Ravenous D wrote:

pretre wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:I enjoy when I actually have evidence and being told its fake and photoshopped.

Let me guess. This evidence that you have, you won't post because you don't want to be exposed. So we just have to take your word for the fact that you have some 'sekrit info'?

Good times.

Your panties are in a bunch good sir, you should probably fix that

Nah if one has anything concrete you just pass it to the mods or rumour guys, its just fun to watch people balk, scoff and claim something is fake that you have in your hands.

The whole Tomb Stalker leak saga was amusing to watch, especially if you were tipped off early on that it was legit.

Ravenous D wrote:

ash1986 wrote:It does make sense for GW to do this as it will get more and more people talking about the hobby.

Yeah but GW only want positive talk about the hobby, if you go to a gw store with the zealous manager you'll find anything even close to negative will get you pointed towards the door, I nearly got banned from one for pointing out the plot holes in the necron fluff...

The idea behind GW controlling hype is that it effects initial sales, if the initial sales are high they tend to carry on longer (duh) if the initial sales are low its dead product pretty much. For some evidence (for Pretre the er )



This is the hobby cone, its probably a little updated now but this is generally how GW think. The more "elite" you become in the GW hobby the smarter you become with your money, and the less GW care about you.

That chart is old TBH. And yes, as a business GW probably values the new hobbyist more then the 20 year vet...because the vet buys $100 of stuff a year and the noob needs to buy $600 to get him going. Duh....

as far as being negative in a store....if you went into a Mcdonalds and started talking mess about the quality of the fries and they way the pickle is too soggy and how much the Big mack sucks, to other customers, after not even buying a burger that day....don't you think you'd be asked to leave?

Stop being negative regarding GW and the Hobby...if you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to do it...there are other GREAT mini games that maybe have less stuff for you to complain about.

Why dosent GW just F@@#ing tell us what they are planning what can it hurt. Nothing it will make every one excited and they could build hype then everyone will save up go out and buy the new box set all in a rage and then be dissapointed a month later...

Ravenous D wrote:
I nearly got banned from one for pointing out the plot holes in the necron fluff...

Good on the manager I say.

Primestick wrote:Why dosent GW just F@@#ing tell us what they are planning what can it hurt. Nothing it will make every one excited and they could build hype then everyone will save up go out and buy the new box set all in a rage and then be dissapointed a month later...

C

ok, I'm going to take up the counter point in this thread, not trying to give anybody a hard time...but let me defend them.

If they told you that Tau was going to be released in August how much tau would they sell between now and August? if everybody knew that their release schedule was it would dampen their sales because people would be scared to buy stuff until then.

deggreg@yahoo.com wrote:

Primestick wrote:Why dosent GW just F@@#ing tell us what they are planning what can it hurt. Nothing it will make every one excited and they could build hype then everyone will save up go out and buy the new box set all in a rage and then be dissapointed a month later...

C

ok, I'm going to take up the counter point in this thread, not trying to give anybody a hard time...but let me defend them.

If they told you that Tau was going to be released in August how much tau would they sell between now and August? if everybody knew that their release schedule was it would dampen their sales because people would be scared to buy stuff until then.

The natural counter point is this, then.

If you buy a whole bunch of Tau stuff, then a huge Tau release follows next month, how much money are you going to spend on the new stuff? Maybe a little, but considering you've just bought the bulk of your army, it's going to be much less, maybe nothing.

Mcdonalds is the big mac =( and I would understand if I told every single person in the restaurant this wonderful information, but if you are in the back dicussing politely with friends in a joking environemnt in an empty store there is no real reason to be a dink other then zealous serving your overlords that pay you minimum wage. In the end its a minimum wage job w/monthly supervision, the amount of "give-a-crap" you should have be minimal.

IIRC a new recruit is likely to spend $1500 in their first year while vets are likely to spend less then $50/month. So the idea is try and recruit as much as possible, hence the mall stores, etc etc.

deggreg@yahoo.com wrote:

Primestick wrote:Why dosent GW just F@@#ing tell us what they are planning what can it hurt. Nothing it will make every one excited and they could build hype then everyone will save up go out and buy the new box set all in a rage and then be dissapointed a month later...

C

ok, I'm going to take up the counter point in this thread, not trying to give anybody a hard time...but let me defend them.

If they told you that Tau was going to be released in August how much tau would they sell between now and August? if everybody knew that their release schedule was it would dampen their sales because people would be scared to buy stuff until then.

Its the same reason GW doesnt hold sales of any kind.

I worked at a comic store years ago and we had 3 sales a year, and there was a good sized group that I would only see 3 times a year, I'll give you a hint what days I saw them on

GW is about initial sales, after a product is out the hype is gone and its sales only go down (barring rules changing faqs and editions)

htj wrote:

deggreg@yahoo.com wrote:

Primestick wrote:Why dosent GW just F@@#ing tell us what they are planning what can it hurt. Nothing it will make every one excited and they could build hype then everyone will save up go out and buy the new box set all in a rage and then be dissapointed a month later...

C

ok, I'm going to take up the counter point in this thread, not trying to give anybody a hard time...but let me defend them.

If they told you that Tau was going to be released in August how much tau would they sell between now and August? if everybody knew that their release schedule was it would dampen their sales because people would be scared to buy stuff until then.

The natural counter point is this, then.

If you buy a whole bunch of Tau stuff, then a huge Tau release follows next month, how much money are you going to spend on the new stuff? Maybe a little, but considering you've just bought the bulk of your army, it's going to be much less, maybe nothing.

I'd actually stick with the no notice idea. As newer gamers have to spend more, they'll spend a lot on new models. Then again, the same argument works in favour for telling us about new releases...

htj wrote:

deggreg@yahoo.com wrote:

Primestick wrote:Why dosent GW just F@@#ing tell us what they are planning what can it hurt. Nothing it will make every one excited and they could build hype then everyone will save up go out and buy the new box set all in a rage and then be dissapointed a month later...

C

ok, I'm going to take up the counter point in this thread, not trying to give anybody a hard time...but let me defend them.

If they told you that Tau was going to be released in August how much tau would they sell between now and August? if everybody knew that their release schedule was it would dampen their sales because people would be scared to buy stuff until then.

The natural counter point is this, then.

If you buy a whole bunch of Tau stuff, then a huge Tau release follows next month, how much money are you going to spend on the new stuff? Maybe a little, but considering you've just bought the bulk of your army, it's going to be much less, maybe nothing.

Fair enough. I will say, what if the new codex is terrible and you end up buying nothing and playing D&D instead? I'm not saying it's right, but i think GW would rather have your money immediately then take the chance you don't buy anything down the line because you aren't in the hobby in a couple of months or don't like the facelift.

htj wrote:

deggreg@yahoo.com wrote:

Primestick wrote:Why dosent GW just F@@#ing tell us what they are planning what can it hurt. Nothing it will make every one excited and they could build hype then everyone will save up go out and buy the new box set all in a rage and then be dissapointed a month later...

C

ok, I'm going to take up the counter point in this thread, not trying to give anybody a hard time...but let me defend them.

If they told you that Tau was going to be released in August how much tau would they sell between now and August? if everybody knew that their release schedule was it would dampen their sales because people would be scared to buy stuff until then.

The natural counter point is this, then.

If you buy a whole bunch of Tau stuff, then a huge Tau release follows next month, how much money are you going to spend on the new stuff? Maybe a little, but considering you've just bought the bulk of your army, it's going to be much less, maybe nothing.

To add to your counterpoint: most prices will go up with a new codex, and we know that-Tau players would probably buy up, in bulk, the battleforce boxes, thus making GW more money. It wouldn't hurt them-if anything, the people wanting new models and waiting and the people buying up the older stuff while it's less expensive will even out-they might lose or gain a matter of $5. It all balances in the end.

Electro wrote:

Ravenous D wrote:
I nearly got banned from one for pointing out the plot holes in the necron fluff...

Good on the manager I say.

Yes because I can much more harm in store

Ravenous D wrote:Mcdonalds is the big mac =( and I would understand if I told every single person in the restaurant this wonderful information, but if you are in the back dicussing politely with friends in a joking environemnt in an empty store there is no real reason to be a dink other then zealous serving your overlords that pay you minimum wage. In the end its a minimum wage job w/monthly supervision, the amount of "give-a-crap" you should have be minimal.

IIRC a new recruit is likely to spend $1500 in their first year while vets are likely to spend less then $50/month. So the idea is try and recruit as much as possible, hence the mall stores, etc etc.

the $ #'s sound about right...and yeah, I edited...big mac, I don't eat out too often...lol.

Also, I think GW pulled all of their mall stores out..there are still a few left, but I know that all of the mall stores in So Cal have been replaced by 1 man operations in strip malls.

I think as far as recruitment goes, it should be their #1 concern...people just leave the hobby due to finances, getting married, new interests...ect. W/O new hobbyists and active recruiting, the hobby would eventually die, like D&D did.

I guess the ultimate question about complaining about a companies product in their retail establishment is why are you there if you dislike it so much? now..if you are just saying "them necrons are silly, this doesn't make any sense" that's one thing...but just going "Matt Ward is a turd, I HATE these new releases, Finecast SUCK"....well then, you should get the boot IMO

deggreg@yahoo.com wrote:Fair enough. I will say, what if the new codex is terrible and you end up buying nothing and playing D&D instead? I'm not saying it's right, but i think GW would rather have your money immediately then take the chance you don't buy anything down the line because you aren't in the hobby in a couple of months or don't like the facelift.

Well, they're perfectly sensible to go down the route that would make them more money! However, the silence over upcoming stuff is not necessarily going to work out that way for them. I don't think people would be put off starting 40K by a new codex, especially if they're new to the game. New codices and models tend to increase sales of an army dramatically, after all. The route I would go down, in their situation, would be publicising what was coming and then offering discounts on the soon to be discountinued stuff to clear it out.

That's not the way GW want to do it, and that's their call. I do wish I could see what was coming though.