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2012/05/04 14:48:01
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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My question is this - Can Black Templars ever be caught in a Sweeping Advance?
The Black Templar codex states : "Black Templars battle brothers fight with righteous anger and are loath to retreat before the enemy. When in an assault, all Black Templars are fearless."
Meanwhile, a few pages earlier, in Space Marine Special Rules section, the "and they shall know no fear.." is listed, and the whole sweeping advance/no retreat! thing is spelled out verbatim. It contradicts, why would this be in there if theoretically a Templar would never be caught in a Sweeping Advance, and never have to take No Retreat wounds. Unless the Templar is only Fearless when they themselves are the ones assaulting that turn? Ive seen people refer to Templars taking No Retreat wounds, so maybe this is the case.
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2012/05/04 14:52:52
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Axis & Allies Player
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No. They are Fearless in assault.
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2012/05/04 14:53:59
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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No, BT are Fearless in hth. This makes them subject to No retreat should they lose a combat.
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2012/05/04 14:55:12
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Edit: Oh wait, that's not a vow.
You get No Retreat wounds from losing just like any fearless unit.
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2012/05/04 15:09:33
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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ATSKNF is there because they are still SM, and all SM have it. It is simply the same rule c&p'ed into each book, so you need it for the auto-pass regroup, etc.
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2012/05/04 15:09:57
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Fearless states:
Fearless troops automatically pass all Morale and Pinning tests they are required to take, and will never fall back.
If they never fall back, then how are they subject to a sweeping advance roll, which then invokes the No Retreat?
You dont get No Retreat from not rolling morale, you get it from breaking off combat, falling back and making an initiative roll. If you fail that roll and are caught in the sweeping advance, you stay and take wounds (no retreat). If you never fall back, you never make that roll!
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2012/05/04 15:11:41
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Because they are fearless, and this automatically suffer from No Retreat
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2012/05/04 15:14:15
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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You are confused.
No Retreat happens when you lose combat and are Fearless.
It also happens if you have ATSKNF and get Swept.
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2012/05/04 15:22:13
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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Oops.
Yep, I just looked up No Retreat again, and it states that it's not just for being swept.
Thanks for the quick replies
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2012/05/04 16:28:55
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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Yes Black templars are fearless in assault. The only time they could get "swept" is if they failed a leadership test and were falling back, and were assaulted and failed the leadership test to rally.
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2012/05/04 16:32:40
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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And that's not really a sweep, so ATSKNF wouldn't kick in either.
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2012/05/04 16:45:20
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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juraigamer wrote:Yes Black templars are fearless in assault. The only time they could get "swept" is if they failed a leadership test and were falling back, and were assaulted and failed the leadership test to rally.
Actually, as they have ATSKNF, they automatically pass tests to regroup, so this doesn't count as being "swept" either.
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2012/05/04 16:50:04
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Not sure if that counts for the purposes of ATSKNF. My adobe is locked up right now though, so I can't check.
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2012/05/04 16:59:33
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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technically (and I know that I was wrong already so I'm warily stating this) they could fail to regroup if there were units within 6", ATSKNF or not. Maybe at that point they could be assaulted and swept?
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2012/05/04 17:02:22
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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xSamhainx wrote:technically (and I know that I was wrong already so I'm warily stating this) they could fail to regroup if there were units within 6", ATSKNF or not. Maybe at that point they could be assaulted and swept?
If you are assaulted and you fail to regroup, you don't get swept. The unit is just destroyed.
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2012/05/04 17:03:06
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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xSamhainx wrote:technically (and I know that I was wrong already so I'm warily stating this) they could fail to regroup if there were units within 6", ATSKNF or not. Maybe at that point they could be assaulted and swept?
No, since they have ATSKNF they auto regroup and fight if assaulted.
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2012/05/04 22:50:47
Subject: Re:Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote:xSamhainx wrote:technically (and I know that I was wrong already so I'm warily stating this) they could fail to regroup if there were units within 6", ATSKNF or not. Maybe at that point they could be assaulted and swept?
If you are assaulted and you fail to regroup, you don't get swept. The unit is just destroyed.
And units with ATSKNF automatically regroup if assaulted.
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2012/05/06 03:28:02
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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Fresh-Faced Inquisitorial Acolyte
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LOOPHOLES MAKE MY BRAIN HURT
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2012/05/06 03:29:40
Subject: Black Templars - Swept Back?
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No loopholes. The rules discussed in this thread are thankfully nice and clear.
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