Klickor wrote:Its not just marginaly more effective in the current edition. Taking a vehicle heavy BA list compared to a IH version of the same list. Sure we both have vehicles but one is able to make the vehicles work while the other player tries. The playstyle just doesnt work for BA if you actually want to have a fair game. We could probably make some mirror lists that the IH version would have an above 95% win rate against the exact same BA list. Can you really say BA plays that playstyle then? It tries but thats about it. It should be able to and I have used vehicles with my BA in earlier editions quite well but they really suck right now. But back then the difference was also minimal between the same units from different chapters. Now not every chapter can do multiple roles well anymore so better just see the different rules as different doctrines they all know but certain chapters favor.
Favour, yes, but it's not like you can't have a vehicle-heavy list at all. For me, playstyle largely comes down to basic demographics, largely like how the 30k Rites of War are organised, and as a result, no, I don't think that Chapter Tactics should be a factor in "I want to play this style of list", because you could just mirror match, as you say.
Maybe they'll be a percentage more powerful, but I personally would rather be playing my army how they're painted instead of what will make them stronger. I'm not going to pretend that what I'd do is the "right" way, or that the other is the "wrong" way, but if there's that kind of ideological difference in what we want from the game, we probably shouldn't play together, in all respect and amiability.
BrianDavion wrote:TBH it'd be one thing if Ultramarines rules where just paints on head bad (it's hard to blame word bearers players from using a differant CT) but Ultramarines are one of the best Marine chapters out there. so using Iron Hands instead in this case is going to come off as a little bit of power gaming yeah.
In all fairness, you do have a point on that. The fact that they're switching out to what's considered a more powerful Chapter is a large factor in this.
It's not to say that I'd be completely totally fine with clearly marked 'Ultramarines' playing as a hypothetically 'worse' Chapter (let's just say White Scars, just for the sake of discussion), but at least they're not doing it to chase the meta. It's mostly the meta chasing I wish to avoid (completely as a personal preference, not going to say that it's wrong or bad), so someone switching to what's considered the Flavour of the Month just feels like their priority is "I want to win with my models" instead of "I want to play with my models", which would be a clash with my own.
