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I can't wait to get this! I might have to get two to build one of each. I'm in the process of building a dragon army for Stormcast, so these will fit in perfectly!

They're definitely the best dragon sculpts GW has ever made, except maybe Smaug. I always hated the funky Fantasy dragons. They looked like a child stuck some toothpicks into silly putty for teeth, with no tooth pointing the same direction as any other tooth.

These guys fit in with the other design elements you see with the Dracoths and Stardrake (horns and the face shape) while expanding upon some of those details and going BIGGER. The wing design is excellent as well, they're not at some weird angle like the Stardrake has.

For the naysayers: Please find another hobby other than pretending like you know how wings work. It took me about three seconds to google 'bat wings' to find similar creases.
   
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The trailer was good fun too; two bros are gonna clean up the mortal realms...Dragon Ninja style?

But seriously, they need their own late 80s coin-op beat-em-up.

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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They have a strong 1980s animated movie look. Their designs for AoS do have a way of being surprising.
   
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A new, leaner drake for the new, leaner Stormcasts, eh?

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GW is really milking these high priced, high margin items that coincidentally are open to being fielded by a wide range of factions.

It's like that oprah meme of, "you get a 200 dollar centerpiece model, and you get a 200 dollar centerpiece model, you all get 200 dollar centrepiece models!"

Gaming outside of the house must take a wheeled dolly these days.
   
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Except these are only for Stormcast

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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Cool story bruh.

Archon makes 8 different plastic Dragons and you can probably buy them all for the price of one of these.


Link?


https://www.dungeonsandlasers.com/late-pledge/

Any 7 for €99, translucent ghost dragon is still in tooling

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 Overread wrote:
Except these are only for Stormcast


It says they can join the stormcast but it doesn't say they can only join the stormcast. Based on the big centaur guy and the mega giants before them, I think it would be a poor wager to bet against them being open to other good guy factions.
   
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Well, i just registered to comment on these new dragons.

It's the same as with most things GW brings forth for AOS.....some of it is truly awesome; the poses and bodies are great!

The heads are utter garbage though.
The blue one looks like a weird dragon/macaw hybrid that's actually smiling. A slight smirk worked wonders for Smaug in the Hobbit....the weird ear to ear grin here not so much i fear.
The red one looks like Shere Khan from the junglebook disney cartoon, but without its front teeth.

It's much better than the stardrake, especially its body and pose, but i don't think that's a very great accomplishment nor does that qualification by itself make it a good model.

I'm not going to pretend that I love the Kruleboyz (they feel very un-Orcs an Goblins-y to me personally because they've lost a lot of the whimsy that, for me, makes that army awesome), but those previewed models have been great so far. The remade Stormcasts are also mostly outstanding. I'm really not a hater...
...but when i saw these i laughed out loud.

The sad thing is that you can actually see that these could have been awesome. Such a shame.

I also can't wait for Old World.....Fantasy, for all its shortcomings, at least felt like a more cohesive, gritty and plausible setting. AOS not only often feels over the top, stylistically it's an eclectic hodgepodge that, to me, sometimes feels like it's surrendered to the whims of the designers and whatever they feel like disigning in lieu of overarching ideas. If you like it, great! But it's not for me. This old curmudgeon takes the models that he likes from AOS and adds them to his O&G fantasy army. (The mega gargant is great and I'm considering using that shaman on giant vulture as a wyvern stand in because I quite like that model)

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Opening up new ways for my City to field my Teclis conversion is a win to me. The official minis look pretty cool but not enough to buy one for me.

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Cool story bruh.

Archon makes 8 different plastic Dragons and you can probably buy them all for the price of one of these.


Link?


https://www.dungeonsandlasers.com/late-pledge/

Any 7 for €99, translucent ghost dragon is still in tooling


Those seem quite a bit smaller though?

   
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 Daedalus81 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Cool story bruh.

Archon makes 8 different plastic Dragons and you can probably buy them all for the price of one of these.


Link?


https://www.dungeonsandlasers.com/late-pledge/

Any 7 for €99, translucent ghost dragon is still in tooling


Those seem quite a bit smaller though?


They're also Kickstarter. Vaporware until shipped.

2500pts
2500
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The Archon dragons have been released though.

I just built one the other day in fact and have another one arriving this week. Nice easily built kits.

I'd wager they'll end up significantly smaller than these dragons though.

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I like them, but then I've always like dragons.

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 CragHack wrote:
Meh. Smaug looks bestest.


Agreed, though these ones are actually six limbed dragons, nearly just as good and will fetch around $200 (canadian) while Smaug retails at $670. Sure Smaug's better, but these ones are very good, better than the okay Stardrakes and about 7 million times better than the Old World dragons which were criminaly bad rendition of Eastern Asian dragons.
   
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Carmine Dragon was a nice sculpt imo

 Crimson Devil wrote:
That's what 7th edition is about. Yelling "Forge the Narrative Pussy!" while kicking your opponent in the dick.
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 Overread wrote:
Except these are only for Stormcast


And Stormcast are already allies with pretty much the entirety of Order, so expect them to be Orders answer to Mega-Gargants or Kragnos as super allies.

epronovost wrote:
 CragHack wrote:
Meh. Smaug looks bestest.


Agreed, though these ones are actually six limbed dragons, nearly just as good and will fetch around $200 (canadian) while Smaug retails at $670. Sure Smaug's better, but these ones are very good, better than the okay Stardrakes and about 7 million times better than the Old World dragons which were criminaly bad rendition of Eastern Asian dragons.


6 limbs = drake, 4 limbs = wyvern, including cockatrices. Isn't Smaug a drake?
   
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There is no formal definition. A drake is a dragon is a wyvern is a wyrm is a serpent.
   
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ERJAK wrote:
 GrosseSax wrote:



Meh.

The Old World can't come soon enough.


Which is funny considering the old world had the worst dragon sculpts ever put into print.

The high elf dragon, dark elf dragon, and forest dragon are an insult to all creatures capable of visually perceiving shapes.




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There are conventions, but in general there is no fixed definitions outside of a specific lore/mythology/story/setting.

Same as any fantasy creature there are tropes and conventions and some core concepts, but what makes them what they are is defined within each setting.


As for Smaug most of the early artwork and descriptions of him have him as your very standard fantasy western dragon. 6 limbs with wings, four legs and all. It's really only the Hobbit live action films that had him done as a 4 limbed dragon, which commonly many would consider more of a wyvern design. However its equally known as a wurm design which is often seen as a more classic/older kind of way of describing a dragon.


But in the end the terms jump around, again its only within a setting that the have meaning. Plus language being what it is a drake could equally be a male dragon or a specific breed of dragon.

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Cronch wrote:
There is no formal definition. A drake is a dragon is a wyvern is a wyrm is a serpent.


Wyverns are defined by heraldry, in which case those are the two legged, two winged ones.

That's a sufficient standard for people to say "I keep being disappointed when major franchises depict their dragons as wyverns to make them easier to animate" and for people to *basically know what they mean* which should really be sufficient because language is for communicating ideas. Going "Well, every setting uses the terminology differently" isn't actually *relevant* to the complaint being put forward in that situation.
   
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Cronch wrote:
There is no formal definition. A drake is a dragon is a wyvern is a wyrm is a serpent.


A wyrm is a worm, or anything serpentine-like (vermiphorm).
   
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Cronch wrote:
There is no formal definition. A drake is a dragon is a wyvern is a wyrm is a serpent.
It IS fun watching people get bent out of shape over the arbitrary cannon definition they themselves have assigned to 5000 years of constantly-changing mythology


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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
GW is really milking these high priced, high margin items that coincidentally are open to being fielded by a wide range of factions.
Not much of an evidence-based opinion.

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 Eldarain wrote:
Carmine Dragon was a nice sculpt imo


Yes, but the Chaos Dragon was better IMO. They should bring it back.
   
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 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Carmine Dragon was a nice sculpt imo


Yes, but the Chaos Dragon was better IMO. They should bring it back.


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 Dryaktylus wrote:
 Eldarain wrote:
Carmine Dragon was a nice sculpt imo


Yes, but the Chaos Dragon was better IMO. They should bring it back.


Warpfire dragon was cool too. Wish I had kept mine.

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 CMLR wrote:
Cronch wrote:
There is no formal definition. A drake is a dragon is a wyvern is a wyrm is a serpent.

A wyrm is a worm, or anything serpentine-like (vermiphorm).


a wyrm is a dragon, all the old metal dragons GW made would be a Wyrm or Lindwurm in "historical" context while a Wyvern is the heraldic dragon in Britain and the roman/greek dracon is more like a snake

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 kodos wrote:
 CMLR wrote:
Cronch wrote:
There is no formal definition. A drake is a dragon is a wyvern is a wyrm is a serpent.

A wyrm is a worm, or anything serpentine-like (vermiphorm).


a wyrm is a dragon, all the old metal dragons GW made would be a Wyrm or Lindwurm in "historical" context while a Wyvern is the heraldic dragon in Britain and the roman/greek dracon is more like a snake


Old scandinavian Linnorms tend to be more "big nasty feral beast, wings, fire and even legs entirely optional", if we're being wildly pedantic for some reason.


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I'd go so far as to say "Wyvern" is the only dragon subtype that actually is almost universally agreed upon actually. There's rarely any stance other than "A wyvern is a four limbed flying dragonoid" or "I have never heard that word because a dragon is just a dragon to me".

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 Overread wrote:

As for Smaug most of the early artwork and descriptions of him have him as your very standard fantasy western dragon. 6 limbs with wings, four legs and all. It's really only the Hobbit live action films that had him done as a 4 limbed dragon, which commonly many would consider more of a wyvern design. However its equally known as a wurm design which is often seen as a more classic/older kind of way of describing a dragon.


Tolkien seems to have used terms interchangeably. AFAIK, he never used the term "wyvern" (which I think is important, since it has a specific heraldic meaning that he presumably was trying to avoid), but he refers to all of his dragons as dragons, drakes, and worms. The only difference appears to be whether or not he included the words "fire" and "winged" in the description. Glaurung, the first dragon, who is specifically noted to not have wings, is called a "fire drake", while Ancalagan the Black is described as the "first winged fire drake".
   
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ERJAK wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
 Daedalus81 wrote:
 lord_blackfang wrote:
Cool story bruh.

Archon makes 8 different plastic Dragons and you can probably buy them all for the price of one of these.


Link?


https://www.dungeonsandlasers.com/late-pledge/

Any 7 for €99, translucent ghost dragon is still in tooling


Those seem quite a bit smaller though?


They're also Kickstarter. Vaporware until shipped.

Speaking out of your bum again? I have the dragons in hand.

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