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 choppinboard wrote:
Leaks are now proven to be 100% accurate in terms of what's in the codex.

Boy does that suck.

And no Slaughterbrute.

So... let me get this straight... we didn't get Berserkers on Bike (or just basic chaos marine on bike) kit, we didn't get red butcher, but instead we got... "berserkers berserkers"?
I mean, I think all the marked legion should have a proper Chosen model and these guys do the job good enough... but wtf is that prioritization GW?

They went full Flanderization (which was my fear from the first rumor). Completely talked me out of the army without any effort.

I'm 100% positive they will be totally unique ruleswise and not be at all just like "Possessed but different!!!1!" and therefore needed a bespoke datasheet

Voss wrote:
They went full Flanderization (which was my fear from the first rumor). Completely talked me out of the army without any effort.

True that. I was more than up for a WE army, especially with how nice the Berserkers looked (ie not the same design failure that plagued the DG), but its now pretty clear that the army will indeed be very, VEEEEEEEEEEEERY barebone and the few thing they picked are just... stupid.

It looks like they are rushing that gak to have it hit 9th before 10th, and the result is just... an unfinished mess.
I'll come back to see if they have fixed their gak with 10th, but I have the very, VERY strong suspicion that this army wills stay for a decade in that pitiful state.
What a shame.

That's a good point. They made such a nice new 'Zerker kit, very clear and dangerous looking... and then gak the bed with the Berzerker Berzerkers.

Voss wrote:
They went full Flanderization (which was my fear from the first rumor).

They sure did...

Well, I did think that the leaks were real!

I was initially sad that Red Butchers didn't make it in, and really dreaded the idea of getting the CSM terminator kit, as I'm not a big fan of it. But the Eightbound make up for it, well, eightfold! I just wanted some slightly beefier dudes, and don't care what armour they're in. And they smashed it with these guys!

Overall, I'm super excited about this release now! It's going to be a Khorney Christmas for me!

And now World Eater Terminators will be limited to one Chainfist per five.

So fluffy!

Direct article is up with pics:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/11/19/warhammer-preview-online-take-skulls-and-spill-blood-with-hordes-of-new-world-eaters-units/

The eightbound are... irritating. Partially for the lore, which is dumb and wrong, but also for the models. 3 identical builds with 6 heads, 6 partial sets of arms (2 are reused), 6 (right) pauldrons, and 6 chestplates plus one pair of swappable feet, because reasons.

Voss wrote:
The eightbound are... irritating. Partially for the lore, which is dumb and wrong, but also for the models. 3 identical builds with 6 heads, 6 partial sets of arms (2 are reused), 6 (right) pauldrons, and 6 chestplates plus one pair of swappable feet, because reasons.

But they're not monopose of course, because that's not real.

If someone can start making 3D printed parts to give 'em helmets, that'd be great.

Eightbound in units of 3-6. Fething wonderful.

Yeah, pretty underwhelming unfortunately. Eightbound could have had a much cooler concept design than just hulked out Berserker Possessed, especially without cool helmet options (as far as we've been shown so far). Jakhals are serviceable, but Khorngors would have been more interesting. Missed opportunity to add some more variety via stuff like Teeth of Khorne.

Yeap, looka like the runpurs were true. Whats even sadder, jakhals are uglier than bloodrravers, which sucks

 Grimskul wrote:
Yeah, pretty underwhelming unfortunately. Eightbound could have had a much cooler concept design than just hulked out Berserker Possessed, especially without cool helmet options (as far as we've been shown so far). Jakhals are serviceable, but Khorngors would have been more interesting. Missed opportunity to add some more variety via stuff like Teeth of Khorne.

Could've had them merged with Juggernauts, give us Zerkertaurs, covering off the need for bikes by giving us mishapen mixed Berzerker/Juggernauts.

My mind is still trying to process how painfully out of touch GW is with the process of picking what kits need to be done.

Chaos Marines at large are still waiting to get their new biker model. Khorne's Berserkers are known to use bikes from time to time and by their very "vanilla" design they could have been very easily be a simple upgrade sprue made for a new biker model (or just a "go kitbash" thing... be we know that GW is deathly afraid of that these days).


Mutilator got randomly canned because their models were too old, and the Obliterators only kit is still to this day the Darkspear monopose sprue that bundle two of them (yaknow, the unit of 1-3) with a Venomcrawler.
The priority at this point should have been to make a new Obliterator kit for 3 of them, and make that a dual build with Mutilator (for everyone, but WE in particular), while at the same time finally give the venomcrawler its own sprue, with the couple of wargear options it deserve.

All these kits would have been the perfect way to create "WE stuff" (berserker on bike and Mutilator) while giving the rest of the chaos army better kits.
And if, for some odd reason, you really wanted to make "WE only" stuff, the obvious thing to start with is a Red Butcher unit for the Elite slot, a proper Lord Kit on foot with all the options you can give him, and a new deamon engine (there's many existing just pick one). Hell, just make make in plastic the Kytan upgrade kit if you are too lazy to make anything new.

But what did we got instead?
- Special cultists that nobody asked for (seriously, we already have traitor guards and c̶a̶r̶t̶o̶o̶n̶ ̶v̶i̶l̶l̶a̶i̶n̶ servant of the abyss cultists. Did we really need more of them? Are the WE really known for their cultists?
- Chosen of Khorn with stupid name, that apparently comes in "exalted version" (don't think too much about it).
- The now apparently standard "named character kit that double as a standard monopose lord with no gear option that will act as your only Lord type.

How is it possible to be so utterly incompetent?


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Eightbound in units of 3-6. Fething wonderful.

They couldn't make them a unit of 8... eve, after making them monopose to the max.
How stingy can GW be?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
Yeah, pretty underwhelming unfortunately. Eightbound could have had a much cooler concept design than just hulked out Berserker Possessed, especially without cool helmet options (as far as we've been shown so far). Jakhals are serviceable, but Khorngors would have been more interesting. Missed opportunity to add some more variety via stuff like Teeth of Khorne.

Could've had them merged with Juggernauts, give us Zerkertaurs, covering off the need for bikes by giving us mishapen mixed Berzerker/Juggernauts.

That would have been an interesting take since we typically don't see many juggernaut type daemon fusions for mortals in either AoS or 40k. My own thought was more of a winged possessed look like Valkia except with Berzerkers, kind of like Blood Harpies that stretch them out into less of a bulk daemon and more sinewy like Bloodletters. If you had both, it would be a nice contrast, particularly if the Blood Harpies used spears as a ranged attack.

Also a good idea (perhaps better than mine) and would've covered off the "Where are the WE Assault Squads?" query.

Jump Pack Chaos troops are rare? Fine. So WE get possessed winged guys instead.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also a good idea (perhaps better than mine) and would've covered off the "Where are the WE Assault Squads?" query.

Jump Pack Chaos troops are rare? Fine. So WE get possessed winged guys instead.

Exactly, and it would help distinguish WE both rules wise and aesthetically in their role as one of the mono-god subfactions for CSM since DG and TS (barring the Tzzangor Enlightened on Discs which don't really count in my opinion) both don't have anything in terms of a winged unit or jump pack squads.

Alas, GW never misses a chance to drop the ball when it comes "hurr durr, smash face" melee factions.

Yaknow what would have been cool in fast attack (outside of bikers ofc)?

Skullcrushers, but 40k.
But that didn't fit in the 10cent budget they had to make that army I guess.

Again, let's see if it's just a case of rushed out the door for 9th army and they have a generous second wave planned for 10th or if it will end up like the 2 previous marked legions, stuck with their very limited (and often painfully monopose) roster, with just a token HQ (if they are lucky) every edition to check the "new stuff" box.

I personally won't touch even with a ten foot pole until I see that second wave coming, if it ever comes.

 Grimskul wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Also a good idea (perhaps better than mine) and would've covered off the "Where are the WE Assault Squads?" query.

Jump Pack Chaos troops are rare? Fine. So WE get possessed winged guys instead.

Exactly, and it would help distinguish WE both rules wise

Bespoke rules are precisely the problem though. We don't NEED separate codices for all the Legions. We don't NEED rules for Eight Bound when you could just use them as Possessed stand ins.

Queue the GW defenders of "but they have WEAPONS not just their arms!!!1!". Yeah I don't care.

Watch it be the last book of 9th before 10th resets everything.

I'm really getting "Chaos Wulfen" vibes from the "Exalted" Eightbound. Particularly the one with the chainglaive.

The biggest disappointment I have is that the new cultists (Jakhals) are just regular humans are not Khorngors. As for the rest of the stuff, I love the design of the Eightbound, but I'll definitely be using some of the new Possessed models as stand-ins for some to make more diversity.

Also, as of the moment, the only two infantry HQ's are Kharn and the Master of Executions (DP without wings is too fast for regular troops to keep up with). I am really hoping that there are rules in the codex that allow us to take at least some units from the CSM codex, with a some of the abilities and keywords changed of course. At the very least we should get Chaos Lords.

Why do so many of the cultists have one arm stuck straight out behind them? It looks terrible.

In any case - if you didn't tell me the regular eightbound were possessed by daemons, I'm not sure how I would tell. They look like extra-elite berzerkers to me. Which I do not particularly mind. The whole "my chestpiece wraps over the back of my head" thing is weird, and I want them to have helmets, but other than that I like them.

GW just wants Chaos to walk or take a Rhino. You'd think they sold enough of them after all these years, but there's the cool Deimos Rhino now I guess.

Some of those poses look really awkward, and the idea of wielding two long hafted weapons is just really impractical.

This is a big miss IMO, looks worse than just conversions.

Virtually unrecognisable from the mortal Space Marines they once were...

Yeah right keep telling us that Geedubs

Sad for the Khorngors but I guess the Jackals aren't that bad ? Even if the very concept of special cultist for WE since they lack the thing that makes them special. You know ? The nails.
And I guess we couldn't get any AOS toys.

Welp, definitely waiting for the 10th release for this one.

Love the Lord on Juggernaut, that helmet/the head on the Juggernaut look awesome. The Eightbound are a swing and a miss for me though. Wish they had some helmets/masks at the very least.

Jakhals are cool but will be like the cultist kit with 0 options.

Not sure if I'll buy in, the list is so anemic that every army will look the same. Bit of a bummer after the reveal of the incredible zerker kit.

What an utter fething letdown, I'm so disappointed.

How are the eightbound "Virtually unrecognisable from the mortal Space Marines they once were"? They're virtually indistinguishable from the new Berserkers. Even the exalted guys barely look possessed at all.

And Jakhals are just cultists? Pah. Waste of effort. They're gak.

Juggerlord is alright - but you know what? So is the one I converted from the old metal model about a decade ago.

Wasted my fething time waiting for this. It's killed my WE army stone dead.

Odd that the Beserker Berzerkers retain their regular pauldrons when they remove their arm armour, but regular Berzerkers had to swap to a different style.
Looks janky.

I love how the eightbound are posssessed by eight different daemons and they look much less mutated than regular possessed xD

As an army, right now the WE look entirely unappealing. If I wanted flanderization I already could have gotten wolves.