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Anybody who wasn't fully expecting [further] flanderization obviously hasn't been paying attention.

I noticed this dude in the middle. Is this the new daemon prince?

Yep just the Daemon Prince.

Hmmm I hadn’t seen it 40k’d yet so that’s interesting.

 Albertorius wrote:
I love how the eightbound are posssessed by eight different daemons and they look much less mutated than regular possessed xD

As someone else mentioned, when it comes to the "normal" Eightbound, without the background telling me they're possessed by eight Bloodletters, I'd have no clue.

At least the Exalted version are mildly mutated, though less than I'd expect for having eight daemons stapled inside a mortal trenchcoat.

Show, GW, don't tell... sheesh.

For the Cultists, can always swap out or mix in Corpse Grinders from Necromunda.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
For the Cultists, can always swap out or mix in Corpse Grinders from Necromunda.

If anything they'd look better. And we could have done that without GW going to all the effort of releasing this book.

Still very much wallowing in disappointment here...

Couldn't be less impressed by this codex even if I tried.

It basically invalidates a large portion of my World Eaters (Chosen, Warptalons, Raptors, Possessed, Bikers) and adds some stuff I didn't ask for.

I was all in on World Eaters when the Berserkers were shown and everything since then has pushed me further away from that. What a massive disappointment.

Lord on Jugger is great but the eightwhatever fellas are so boring. Imagine having Red Butchers instead.

I just don't understand how a dude being possessed by *eight* daemons is somehow just a big roided guy, while a normal chaos marine possessed by *one* daemon looks like a mutated eldritch horror.

It's almost like they were part-designed to be terminators and then they had to repurpose the sculpt and make something up for why they were so big.

Why are the possessed two units? They look basically identical. At least if it was just one unit there’d be a little bit of variety. The kit looks awful tbh, not even different backpacks.

 MinscS2 wrote:
Couldn't be less impressed by this codex even if I tried.

It basically invalidates a large portion of my World Eaters (Chosen, Warptalons, Raptors, Possessed, Bikers) and adds some stuff I didn't ask for.

Same. Raptors, Obliterators, Bikes, regular CSMs, Chosen, Havocs... All gone, and for what?

Berserkers that were only just taken out of the main CSM codex for this release. Slightly berserkier Berserkers. Slightly berserkier Berserkers+1. Cultists who can BUGGER OFF.

(Seriously, we have just gone through multiple editions where the best troop option to take in a bloody CSM codex wasn't CSMs! Stuff cultists.)

And yeah, ok, Angron and rescuing the Juggerlord from Legends is alright.

Lacklustre is being charitable here. Looks like I'll be buying the CSM codex and using the WD rules for WE legion, Berserkers and Kharn. Fortunately I only play socially and I can get away with that option.

Dudeface wrote:
I just don't understand how a dude being possessed by *eight* daemons is somehow just a big roided guy, while a normal chaos marine possessed by *one* daemon looks like a mutated eldritch horror.

It's almost like the minis are made first and then given to the fluff then rules team to figure out how to make them fit/work.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
I just don't understand how a dude being possessed by *eight* daemons is somehow just a big roided guy, while a normal chaos marine possessed by *one* daemon looks like a mutated eldritch horror.

It's almost like the minis are made first and then given to the fluff then rules team to figure out how to make them fit/work.

Yeah I get that but come on, whoever made that fluff call needs a slap and a sight test.

Here is the point: The Sculpts are fine but this whole release feels stretched.

The Design of the Eightbound is top notch, but this should have been the basic Khorne Berserker. I was already wondering about the bland look of the Berserkers, which are basically CSM with some few new bits. The Eightbound Lore is just goof and shows again that GW desigerns have simply no favor for Khorne. „Let’s do it flying rodent gak crazy metal stuff“ is fine, but this is goofy level and feels like lore and sculpts are detached. Nevertheless the Eightbound are 120% heavy metal and amazing Sculpts after all! It is this goofy bit of lore and the poor berserkers who just warp the context and let Eightbound look out of place.

Exalted Eightbound with the lore of the default ones would be 100% match here. The models feel a tidbit goofy and can in my opinion not hold up too well against the CSM Possesed Sculpts.

Jakhals are kino.

In general, the release has some neat models and concepts, but things like Berserkers looking too basic, Eightbound feeling like stuffed between two slots and missing logical inclusions like basic Juggernaut-Riders or custom Terminators. It really feels like this book was pushed to release way too early while not all sculpts were done.

How are the souping rules for Chaos? Is it feasible to soup the World Eaters with regular CSM with marks of Khorne to get a more complete army?

Unless there's some additional rules in WE codex no. You lose basically your legion bonuses.

For CSM/WE you could take 1 detachment up to 25% PL of daemons and/or 1 slot of knights without losing that much stuff(and nothing from CSM/WE) but CSM/WE unless WE book has something they havent told yet no.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
The Design of the Eightbound is top notch, but this should have been the basic Khorne Berserker.

I think you'll get a lot of disagreement there. These look nothing like any iteration of Berzerkers - which, despite the difference in sculpting techniques/aesthetic paradigms, have been pretty consistent across all of their history - and as a WE player I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot chainglaive if they were the new "normal" Berzerker models.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Jakhals are kino.

I think they look fantastic, but I fear that the kit is going to be like the current... or rather newer Cultist kit (as there are, bafflingly, two) in that they were have zero options except maybe one arm on the Champion.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
In general, the release has some neat models and concepts, but things like Berserkers looking too basic, Eightbound feeling like stuffed between two slots and missing logical inclusions like basic Juggernaut-Riders or custom Terminators. It really feels like this book was pushed to release way too early while not all sculpts were done.

It feels like what it is: A half-assed and rushed* release.

I mean to leave out the Slaughterbrute. It's right there waiting to be added! The other half of the kit is already in use in another Cult Marine Codex. It fits perfectly. It lets them release something "new" without having to release anything at all. It opens up an entirely new demographic/market for that kit. I cannot get over how boneheaded this move is.

But, as always: GW never misses and opportunity to miss an opportunity.


*As much as one can "rush" miniature design and the process of producing books, neither of which are especially fast.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:


The Design of the Eightbound is top notch, but this should have been the basic Khorne Berserker.

No ta. The Berserkers are the best part of the release.

Not impressed with most of the WE releases. That and the new CSM Codex really kill my interest in the CSM factions in general. Everything is so bland, uninspiring and janky.

I've already been planning to sell my oldest CSM models, but now I also start pondering whether I should get rid of (most of) the new ones I bought too, and be done with Chaos altogether.

Well, at least I've still got some hope for the eventual Emperor's Children release. Some nice, fully plastic Noise Marines, pretty please?

The army seems pretty one dimensional, there’s berserkers, super berserkers and super-duper berserkers. Oh, and cultist berserkers, all lead by one of the mega berserker characters. Yawn.

tneva82 wrote:
Unless there's some additional rules in WE codex no. You lose basically your legion bonuses.

For CSM/WE you could take 1 detachment up to 25% PL of daemons and/or 1 slot of knights without losing that much stuff(and nothing from CSM/WE) but CSM/WE unless WE book has something they havent told yet no.

That's unfortunate. It is weird that for Chaos they're going to opposite direction than with loyalist marines for whom most units are shared.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
The Design of the Eightbound is top notch, but this should have been the basic Khorne Berserker.

I think you'll get a lot of disagreement there. These look nothing like any iteration of Berzerkers - which, despite the difference in sculpting techniques/aesthetic paradigms, have been pretty consistent across all of their history - and as a WE player I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot chainglaive if they were the new "normal" Berzerker models.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Jakhals are kino.

I think they look fantastic, but I fear that the kit is going to be like the current... or rather newer Cultist kit (as there are, bafflingly, two) in that they were have zero options except maybe one arm on the Champion.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
In general, the release has some neat models and concepts, but things like Berserkers looking too basic, Eightbound feeling like stuffed between two slots and missing logical inclusions like basic Juggernaut-Riders or custom Terminators. It really feels like this book was pushed to release way too early while not all sculpts were done.

It feels like what it is: A half-assed and rushed* release.

I mean to leave out the Slaughterbrute. It's right there waiting to be added! The other half of the kit is already in use in another Cult Marine Codex. It fits perfectly. It lets them release something "new" without having to release anything at all. It opens up an entirely new demographic/market for that kit. I cannot get over how boneheaded this move is.

But, as always: GW never misses and opportunity to miss an opportunity.


*As much as one can "rush" miniature design and the process of producing books, neither of which are especially fast.

They have a look of the pre-berserker world eater assault marines so they aren’t nothing like them, but they don’t look possessed really. All very odd as a release, the slaughterbrute is a massive miss, and odd choice of units to make models for.

Andykp wrote:
The army seems pretty one dimensional, there’s berserkers, super berserkers and super-duper berserkers. Oh, and cultist berserkers, all lead by one of the mega berserker characters. Yawn.

Pretty much my opinion. I don’t dislike what I’m seeing, I just wish there was more to it. Maybe a Berzerker Dreadnought, as your body might be hacked and mangled, but you still retain the Butcher’s Nails. At least a smaller plastic Daemon Engine, such as the Blood Slaughterer. Sod it, I’d even have settled for a God Specific upgrade set for the existing Daemon Engines, as I just can’t see the shell not being constructed in praise of Khorne, let alone the Khornate Daemon inside not warping it’s prison into something more akin to its “true” form?

The actual models don’t bother me so much, as those you can go crazy and convert into something exceptionally Gribbly and Horrid. But I can’t convert what there’s not rules for.

Maybe it's all some meta joke thing where GW are aiming to make WE players furiously angry??? In which case I'd steer well clear of the next Death Guard models...

At the very least, now we'll have three extra backpacks to mix in with new possessed kit. Get your hands on the two from shadowspear, and boom. No repeated backpacks. Plus some of the arms should work as well.

I'm surprised I like the jackhals as much as I do. They'd be good to sprinkle in with cultists for some diversity. Just wish they didn't have the mandatory blood vails on their backs, or have identical face/masks as the one AOS Wrathmonger.

Very funny and also extremely depressing watching people on other forums try to state "Wait and see" regarding what will be in the Codex.

Reminder they will do this until they have the codex in their hands before going "Actually cutting out all those units was good".

GaroRobe 805892 11457279 wrote:
I'm surprised I like the jackhals as much as I do. They'd be good to sprinkle in with cultists for some diversity. Just wish they didn't have the mandatory blood vails on their backs, or have identical face/masks as the one AOS Wrathmonger.

They'd be great for doing a Fury Road style Ash Wastes gang. I'm just sick of the seeming focus on non-CSM stuff in CSM codexes. Imagine the uproar if GW kept putting Guard stuff in the Space Marines codex, and they were the optimum troop choice instead of actual Space Marines...

Boy, beyond the new cultists, wtf is that "codex"

That is the lowest effort gak job i have seen since the initial legends list for R&H. And this is only barely a step up from that list.

@Crispy78, that's what happens when you kill off your mortals faction to pad out the soon to split up codex CSM.