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Hey all, this is my first warhammer fantasy army and I wanted some feedback to see if this is competitive at all

Archmage Level 4, Silver Wand, Ring of Fury, 2 Dispel Scrolls. 325 points.
Level 2 Mage with Jewel of the Dusk, Seerstaff of Saphery-180 points
Spear Elves x20, First among Equals, Full Command, Banner of Ellyrian. 265 points.
Spear Elves x20, Full Command, 250 points.
Archers x 10. points.
Archers x 10. points.
14 Sword Masters with full command-240 points
10 Phoenix Guard with full command-180 points
Ellyrian Reavers x5 with musician and champion, bows and spears-119 points
Dragon Princes x5, Full Command, Banner of Sorcery, Amulet of Purifying Flame. 240 points.
Lion Chariot- points
Tiranoc Chariot- points
Bolt Throwers x2. points
2460 Total points.

I was thinking about bulking up the PG to 20 men and maybe dropping the tiranoc chariot, but I love that model
Anyway, feel free to tear it apart!

Your core unit sizes are a bit too small for what games are like these days. I would suggest combining the Spear and Archer units.

I like having two separate Archer units because they can fire on two different targets, therefore giving me extra versatility. Same goes for the Spearmen; I don't usually like to put all of my eggs in one basket, so having two separate units helps in that regard. That being said, however, I could up one of them to 30 strong and use the 20 man block as support to the larger one

SO, first things first we need to make your list, legal lol

1) you can never have the same magic item twice (one dispell scroll per army and so on) ALSO you can never have more than one TYPE of magic item on any given character....both your mages are illegal as they both are holding 2 arcane items.

and you need 25% minimum on your core, which i beleive you do have. now onto the list

your core choices, rememebr at 2500 points thats a big army, units of 20 elves will not last long at all, elves are a glass hammer army, spear elves are the same only minus the hammer, your core are what you want to use to hold the centre line. also as infantry you do not need to ever worry about dangerous terrain, taht banner is completely useless, unlesss your guys are running through a marsh, if you see a marsh dont set up infront of it and the problem can be compleetely avoided.

high elf shooting is done really well or very poorly, you have to commit to it. 2 repeaters, not bad that can work just fine, but archers either go lots or dont go, keeping in mind they are pricey.

personally for core at 2500 what i love to do and have found it to be very effective is 45 seaguard with shields& command and the lion standard, run them in horde tahts 635 points, and you now have plenty of staying power that isnt going to get eaten by terror or made useless by fear. keep you general and bsb close by and you likely wont have problems. on top of the staying power you now have alot of range output AND your core is filled up so we can move onto the elves that are actually going to win you games.

your special is next, once again glass hammer in mind, your untis are too itty bitty, especially at 2500 points, your swordmasters likely wont make it to the front compeltely intact, you generally want to run them somewhat wide (i like 6 or 7 in front) so you get lots of attacks to pound away with, 14 swordmaster wil take wounds on the way in do damage to the unit, and unfortunetly be hit back by that unit and be wiped out, trust me ive seen it happen many times, i like running 6 wide 3 deep, thats 18 guys and they have a full rank to strip before they can cut into your attacks, and thats a very decent 18 ws 6 s 5 attacks swinging before the enemy can do anything (that stings).

phoenix gaurd, they are excellent anvils/building holders, theyre dmg output is minimal comparitively but their staying power is among the best in the game, that being said you still want to have enough of them to stay through out the game.... they act as excellent wizard bunkers and they should be the one entrusted with the banner of sorcery that way your magic phase is hardpressed to be made ineffective. i like running them around 15-20 its enough to tangle a unit up for a turn or 2 and they usually can still be seen at the end of turn 6. they are awesome to use in junction with the dragonknights.

now the DP, 5-7 is ideal, i like full command on mine, THIS is where the banner of ellyrion goes without question, its not even a question if you take these guys run them with that banner and you will never be disappointed

ellyirion reavers are somewhat a point sink, it is a chore to make them worth taking id say drop em and beef one of the three untis above up

ive never used chariots myself, elf things are both expensive and squishy, meaning your army wears paper mache and there usually arent alot of you so its not difficult for your opponent to alocate what he wants to hit. chariots i find a bit expensive once again trade them in for another unit of specials for some table presence or beef somthing else up

once again if you want to keep the bolt throwers, i find them underwhelming for 100 points but i have certainly seen them used to deal pretty hefty damage (especially when you have more than one)

side note great eagles are gods gift to elves for dealing with war machines lol they are probably the best point for point unit in that entire codex.

also magic items on captains can be a bit of a waste, the ruby ring and iron curse icons are usually good one though just for cheap effectivness that doesnt bite into your characters allowance

hope some of this helps, some fun lores for high elves are shadow, high magic and beasts, they add to your survivability and damage output like CRAZy

cheers!!
Mike

Aces High 666 wrote:Hey all, this is my first warhammer fantasy army and I wanted some feedback to see if this is competitive at all

Archmage Level 4, Silver Wand, Ring of Fury, 2 Dispel Scrolls. 325 points.
You can't take 3 arcane items, and you can't take 2 of any single item.
Level 2 Mage with Jewel of the Dusk, Seerstaff of Saphery-180 points
Again, can't have 2 arcane items on the same character
Spear Elves x20, First among Equals, Full Command, Banner of Ellyrian. 265 points.
First Among Equals is no longer a rule, methinks you are using a 6th edition book for this which is outdated. Also 20 is a worthless number for spearmen. 25-30. And your prices are way off. You need to buy the most current book for HE if you want to actually write a list that is playable.
Spear Elves x20, Full Command, 250 points.
Current cost of this unit is 205, see above comment.
Archers x 10. points.
Archers x 10. points.
2 units is 1 too many. take 10 with a musician and 2 blocks of 25 or 30 spears.
14 Sword Masters with full command-240 points
This looks fine as is.
10 Phoenix Guard with full command-180 points
10 of these is a waste of points. They need to be taken in 25-30 and you bunker your archmage in there.
Ellyrian Reavers x5 with musician and champion, bows and spears-119 points
A worthless unit currently. If you must take them, drop the champion as he adds nothing to their usefulness.
Dragon Princes x5, Full Command, Banner of Sorcery, Amulet of Purifying Flame. 240 points.
full command in a unit of 5 is a waste, and the Banner of Sorcery should be with your PG so that it remains in the entire game. that amulet no longer exists, again get the current army book
Lion Chariot- points
Tiranoc Chariot- points
Taking one of each is meh. Either use 2 lion chariots or 2 tiranocs as support.
Bolt Throwers x2. points
A waste of 200 points here. They just don't perform like they should. Take 2 or 3 eagles instead.
2460 Total points.

I was thinking about bulking up the PG to 20 men and maybe dropping the tiranoc chariot, but I love that model
Anyway, feel free to tear it apart!

Here is a new version of the list, with some of your suggestions implemented:

Level 4 Archmage with Seerstaff of Saphery-280 points
Level 2 Mage with Silver Wand and Dispel Scroll-165 points
Battle Standard Bearer with great weapon, Dragon Armor, Battle Standard-124 points
40 Spearmen with full command and Lion Standard-410 points
20 Archers-220 points
14 Sword Masters with full command-240 points
20 Phoenix Guard with Full Command and Banner of Sorcery-380 points
7 Dragon Princes with full command and Banner of Ellyrion-275 points
Lion Chariot- points
Lion Chariot- points
2 Great Eagles- points
Total: 2474

Basically, I added a BSB, combined the Spearmen and added a banner, combined the archers, bulked out the PG, added the banner and 2 more bodies to the DP, added another LC, and 2 Great Eagles.

Basic Strategy: Archmage goes in PG, Level 2 and BSB go in the Spearmen, LCs go on one flank, DPs on the other, with the elite infantry in the middle along with the Spearmen, and Archers behind. Eagles obviously go kill warmachines and generally harass flanks

Your lv2 still can't take both the wand AND the scroll. either/or.

While I maintain that 40 spearmen and 20 archers is wrong, this list is at least a huge step in the right direction.

Here are some links to lists I've designed which are for the most part quite balanced and competitive.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/434766.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/433562.page

Oh I was unaware that DIspel Scroll counts as an Arcane Item. Thats an easy fix though, and leaves me 20 more point to play with. THe only reason Im not running two 25 man or a 50 man horde, is simply becuase I dont want to buy another box of Spearmen xD. As of now, I only have to buy the eagles and 10 more Phoenix Guard, which is a good chunk of my meager funds atm.