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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/05/21 20:11:50
	  
	    Subject: Chaos Codex 5th Edition? 
	
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									i have played chaos for almost 3 years now and have had no problems with the codex but i have heard that most people think 5th ed chaos are UP
  
  is this true?
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/05/21 20:21:00
	  
	    Subject: Chaos Codex 5th Edition? 
	
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                            Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
	 
 
 
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									Yes. Most people find the codex weak, bland, and outdated. This is perceived mostly because it's true. The codex has a lot of stinker units, few options on most units, and with recent FAQs even the best HQ; the Daemon Prince, is made worse. Granted, the codex can still do well, but it's nowhere near as powerful as the previous 3.5 codex, and other books such as Codex: Space Wolves steal a lot of its thunder. 
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/05/21 20:24:15
	  
	    Subject: Chaos Codex 5th Edition? 
	
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                            Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
	 
 
 
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									Chaos is hurting compared to the top 3 codexes (GK, SW, IG)
  
  Demon weapons still work well, as do obliterators, and chaos troops are still some of the best around. 
  
  The problem comes from GK, if you build a melee CSM list, you have to shoot GK. You can't use psychic powers in the current metagame, everyones stopping your chaos powers and you can't stop theirs. 
  
  CSM still works, though the next codex should be on the horizon. Tau and Sisters have it much worse than chaos does atm. 
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/05/21 20:41:56
	  
	    Subject: Chaos Codex 5th Edition? 
	
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                            Ultramarine Master with Gauntlets of Macragge
	 
 
 
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									Chaos had a lot of problems before Codex: Grey Knights. MEQ versus GK just isn't a good matchup in general most of the time. 
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/05/21 20:51:49
	  
	    Subject: Chaos Codex 5th Edition? 
	
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                            Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
	 
 
 
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									Brother SRM wrote:Chaos had a lot of problems before Codex: Grey Knights. MEQ versus GK just isn't a good matchup in general most of the time.   
 
 Yes but they were still playable with confidence. Now with  GK and the changes to warptime and lash, the majority of chaos lists aren't worth bringing, considering the opposition. 
							  
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/05/21 20:55:17
	  
	    Subject: Re:Chaos Codex 5th Edition? 
	
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                            Hard-Wired Sentinel Pilot
	 
 
 
	
	
	 
	
 
		
 
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									Yeah Chaos  SM are a tough army to play these days with all the nerfs they get.  I can't remember the last time I won.  I either draw or lose pretty much every game I play with them, and I'm far from tactically illiterate.  It just comes down to points.  Most  CSM counterpart units are many points cheaper, meaning you have to fight an uphill battle from the start, or limit your army selections thus making you predictable     
							 
							
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		![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif)  2012/05/22 19:35:00
	  
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                            Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
	 
 
 
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									Chaos is kind of a one-trick list these days, they don't have a lot of variety in their tactically-viable builds and most of their units are at least a little overpriced. The new Codex really needs to make cult Marines and the entire Fast Attack section more viable.
							 
							
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