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I'm having a bit of trouble fitting everything I want into my Necron list. Currently, I own 2 Catacomb Command Barges, 20 Warriors, 3 Ghost Arks, 10 Immortals, 6 Wraiths, ~5 Scarabs, and 2 Annihilation Barges.

Our local tournaments use 2-3 tiered objectives per mission, so having a decent amount of Troops is vital.

I was thinking of fielding this:

Necrons
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
6 Wraiths - 3 Whip Coils, 2 Particle Casters
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1510

As you can see, I'm 10 points over and I'm not quite able to fit 6 Crypteks.

Thoughts?

Lose the particle casters, then you will be down to 1,500. They are not mandatory wargear and only should be taken if you have spare points.

Rest looks fine, though I am biased as my 2k list is almost identical to this, just more Wraiths and another Annihilation Barge

I'm considering dropping the 3rd Ghost Ark in favor of a 3rd Annihilation Barge. Of course, I'd probably just put the 5 Warriors I do have in Reserves if I did that.

I just don't see any way to fit a pair of Crypteks for that 3rd Warrior Unit... I could drop a Wraith and add a Tremortek to that 3rd Warrior squad.

Keeping the Warriors in reserve is fine. I wouldn't add a Cryptek to them as they could stay in reserve up until turn 5. Losing the 3rd Ghost Ark will get more Crypteks.

I am now debating between these two lists:

Necrons
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors
6 Wraiths - 3 Whip Coils, 2 Particle Casters
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1485

or

Necrons
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Scarabs
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1495

Thoughts?

I think I've got it figured out.

Necrons
Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors
5 Wraiths - 2 Whip Coils, 2 Particle Casters
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1500

Thoughts?

Really like the list : 5 barges!!

Minor thing - 4 Hods across three warrior groups. hmmm. Why not drop a HOD and replace with Chronotek (you'll need to drop a particle caster for the extra 5 points).

Then you'll get (in theory), better results from the lancetek squad the chronotek is attached to (because you can re roll (hopefully) either the hit, pen or damage), if the unit get assaulted you can re-roll a reanimation (or a wound) - plus if you can get the aeon stave next to an MC or HQ (and cause a wound) you might be able to nerf a key unit.

I'd put it in the warrior unit without the ark and play that unit almost kamikaze - straight towards MC or lone HQ.


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Just had a thought!! Even if the warriors get killed you'll have scoring crypteks!!


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Which, of course, you would have had anyway from the other crypteks

The final list you posted is fine. As I said, I run this at 2k and it claims heads .

Seems like a good list. Lots of mobility and troops which is what you need in objectives games

Wolf 11x wrote:I think I've got it figured out.

Necrons
Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors
5 Wraiths - 2 Whip Coils, 2 Particle Casters
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1500

Thoughts?

Love it.
Good luck.
(and if you play a game with this, please give us a battle report afterwards!)

You can'y have 4 Destruction Crypteks because you can only have one of the Harbingers per Royal Court.

@ evildog112 please read the little paraghraph marked * at the bottom of page 90 in the necron codex, this will clear it up for you.
Too sum it up however since he has 2 courts he could potentially take 10 crypteks and upgrade them all to Harbingers of Destruction as it clearly states you can take ay number of a specific harbinger, the Necron FAQ states all of these would need to have the upgraded weapon in this case the eldritch lance, however the optional wargear (Gaze of Flame and Solar Pulse) may be taken only once in a royal court, this means he could have upto 10 eldritch lances but only 2 Gaze of Flame or Solar Pulses in his army, 4 Destruction Cryteks are allowed as long as only 2 have the wargear.

Thanks everyone!

Love it.
Good luck.
(and if you play a game with this, please give us a battle report afterwards!)

I'll actually be debuting it at a local 3-game tournament next weekend.

I wish I had way to get the 3rd Warrior unit its own Ghost Ark, but I just can't fit it without dropping the Wraiths entirely, which I don't think is wise. These Warriors will probably go in Reserves every game, which is fine given that we'll have several different odd objectives.

If we didn't have so many objectives, I'd probably drop them entirely .

I've been thinking more about the list and I've stripped it back to this:

Necrons
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1170

As you can see, I have 330 points to spare. Currently, I own 2 Catacomb Command Barges, 8 Crypteks, 1 Triarch Stalker, 20 Warriors, 3 Ghost Arks, 10 Immortals, 6 Wraiths, ~5 Scarabs, and 3 Annihilation Barges.

I'm leaning towards adding a third Warrior squad in a Ghost Ark, but that gets incredibly expensive when you add in 2 more Lanceteks. This may be the path I have to take as I'm worried about having enough scoring units. I've considered Immortals, but I don't think I want a Troop outside of the safety of an Armor 13 vehicle.

I'm wondering if it's necessary to have 2 Lanceteks per squad.

Thoughts?

I think your second list found the sweet spot.

From the core above it would make sense to either go mech, which you add the 3rd GA, or back to your second list.

Re the lanceteks, 2 is better than 1 but 1 is better than 0. Also 1 just means you might have to shoot at something with 2 units rather than 1.

After messing with this list way too much, this is what I'm going to try Saturday:

Necrons
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge with Gauss Cannon
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge with Gauss Cannon
Triarch Stalker - TL Heavy Gauss Cannon
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
Annihilation Barge - Gauss Cannon
Annihilation Barge - Gauss Cannon
Total - 1495

Stalker has the TL Heavy Gauss Cannon so it can accompany the Ghost Arks and lay down fire at 36" range.

err, one Stalker has a nasty tendency to not last very long...

This might work though, if it is covered by GA, particularly with 4 barges flying around?

skoffs wrote:err, one Stalker has a nasty tendency to not last very long...

I'm inclined to agree, but for the most part I just keep it back and the heavy gauss cannon does its job. Running one stalker is just fine.

Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors
5 Wraiths - 2 Whip Coils, 2 Particle Casters
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1500

I personally think this is the best list you've posted in here so far, and probably the one that would fair the best in a tournament environment. If you could find a way to squeeze in a 6th Wraith, you'd be golden.

Is 1 wraith going to make that much difference? From the looks of the above, getting the additional 35 points (plus a whip coil?) is going to be problematic unless he pulls MSS/SW from the overlords.

Those overlords are mighty expensive. You have an awful lot of points in your HQ for a 1500 list. I really like it otherwise though. I suppose some folks feel like those buffs pay for themselves, but I always feel like they are a big investment vs the number of turns and rolls they will be particularly relevant on.

You've crammed in a lot of necron goodstuff into a list without compromising synergy or a plan and I bet you'll do just fine. I hate being light on whipcoils though, probably for the same reasons I hate trying to make a 15 point investment back from a lone overlord with MSS. I do love those autohits from the MSS when they are particularly relevant, they lead to a lot of great stories.

Lucre wrote:Those overlords are mighty expensive. You have an awful lot of points in your HQ for a 1500 list. I really like it otherwise though. I suppose some folks feel like those buffs pay for themselves, but I always feel like they are a big investment vs the number of turns and rolls they will be particularly relevant on.

In many ways, I look at MSS and SW in the same way I look at ResOrbs. Having them allows my expensive unit to (hopefully) continue living for another turn which is worth it. In my experience, an Overlord without SW/MSS is pretty handicapped outside of the barge, but with them I can do useful stuff for longer. Particularly, MSS is helpful when counter attacking to support another unit or for taking out the power weapon in a squad.

In this list, I suppose you could free up 60 points to get the extra wraith - personal preference as to whether it would be worth it. I'd probably prefer the 2 Overlords (because I'd have them closeish) but others may take the wraiths.

Sasori wrote:I personally think this is the best list you've posted in here so far, and probably the one that would fair the best in a tournament environment. If you could find a way to squeeze in a 6th Wraith, you'd be golden.

I worry about the Wraiths getting shot down early.

It seems I need to decide between these two lists:

Necrons #1
Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Overlord - Warscythe, Mindshackle Scarabs, Sempiternal Weave, Catacomb Command Barge
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 2 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors
5 Wraiths - 2 Whip Coils, 2 Particle Casters
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Total - 1500

Necrons #2
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge with Gauss Cannon
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge with Gauss Cannon
Triarch Stalker - TL Heavy Gauss Cannon
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
Annihilation Barge - Gauss Cannon
Annihilation Barge - Gauss Cannon
Total - 1495

Thoughts?

Sempinternal Weave is of limited use on a Command Barge Overlord. Once the barge is down, he should be hoofing it towards vehicles to mow down. This makes him a High AT target anyway, making the 2+ save less attractive.

Why do your Wraith's have 2 particle casters? I understand 1, to give wound allocation, but why 2?

Wolf 11x wrote:

Necrons #2
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge with Gauss Cannon
Overlord - Warscythe, Catacomb Command Barge with Gauss Cannon
Triarch Stalker - TL Heavy Gauss Cannon
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
Royal Court - 3 Harbingers of Destruction, 1 Solar Pulse
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
5 Warriors - Ghost Ark
Annihilation Barge - Gauss Cannon
Annihilation Barge - Gauss Cannon
Total - 1495

Thoughts?

This list looks great and I would love to hear how it does. Lots of synergy going on.

Creon wrote:Sempinternal Weave is of limited use on a Command Barge Overlord. Once the barge is down, he should be hoofing it towards vehicles to mow down. This makes him a High AT target anyway, making the 2+ save less attractive.

Why do your Wraith's have 2 particle casters? I understand 1, to give wound allocation, but why 2?

The SWs would make him absolutely obnoxious against small arms fire and missile launchers. The extra Particle Caster was because I had 5 points leftover.

Great Deceiver wrote:This list looks great and I would love to hear how it does. Lots of synergy going on.

Thanks! Whichever list I use, I intend to post a follow-up.