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From the FAQ:

Q: Do all forms of Flaming Attacks cause Fear in war beasts,
cavalry and chariots? (p69)
A: Yes, any model that has a Flaming Attack will cause Fear.
This includes unit upgrades, models that only have ranged
flaming attacks and even Wizards with spells that cause
Flaming Attacks.

Emphasis added.

Empire Warrior Priests can cast a spell that gives them (and the units they're with) Flaming Attacks.

So would a Warrior Priest count as having a spell that causes Flaming Attacks for the purposes of this rule?

Does the FAQ provide that only Wizards can cause fear? Or does the spell itself have to be flaming attacks?

edit: to appease potential nit-pickers, they would only cause fear to war beasts, cavalry and chariots

I could be wrong, but paraphrased from the FaQ "Do all forms of flaming attacks cause fear?
A: Yes, any model that has a flaming attack cause fear."

"even wizards"
This is inclusive of wizards, not unique of them. The way I interpret it is that it's only flaming attacks, not only wizards. So I'd say that a warrior priest with a spell granting flaming attacks would cause fear, regardless of whether he counts as a wizard or not.

The FAQ seems to directly suggest that Warrior Priests would indeed cause fear in cavalry, war beasts and chariots.

Warrior priest is not a wizard. A guy with a ruby ring does not cause fear why should he?

Johnny-Crass wrote:Warrior priest is not a wizard. A guy with a ruby ring does not cause fear why should he?

Well it says any model with flaming attacks causes fear, and since the Warrior Priest can have an attack that allows him to do so, he can cause fear.

EDIT: for correctness.

Shredsmore wrote:

Johnny-Crass wrote:Warrior priest is not a wizard. A guy with a ruby ring does not cause fear why should he?

Well it says any model with flaming attacks causes fear, and since the Warrior Priest has an attack that allows him to do so, he can cause fear.

Except the prayer's not an attack.

Once he USES the prayer, yes, he and the unit will cause Fear as they will then have Flaming attacks.

Until he actually gives them Flaming, no Fear per the FAQ wording.

Also, the ruby ring doesn't give the user/unit flaming attacks, just fireball.

But its a case of if/then.
If the warrior priest gets the flaming attacks spell off, then he HAS flaming attacks, and therefore causes fear.

Edit: its also "can have" vs "has". Until the spell is cast, no fear...

Yes but that is not the point of this thread. the point is that sense the warrior priest knows a bound spell that is flaming he causes fear per the FAQ. But in that theory Ruby Ring would do the same thing hence my example.

Johnny-Crass wrote:Warrior priest is not a wizard. A guy with a ruby ring does not cause fear why should he?

I would think a guy with Ruby Ring would cause fear as the model has a flaming bound spell. Is the Ruby Ring covered in a FAQ somewhere?

No it is not. But the BRB has been out long enough for someone else to think of this I believe

Ok here's my view on this.
1. Flaming attacks, including spells, cause fear.
2. Prayers/ruby ring are i believe in the bound spell/ability category.
3. Ohhh scary

liquidjoshi wrote:I could be wrong, but paraphrased from the FaQ "Do all forms of flaming attacks cause fear?
A: Yes, any model that has a flaming attack cause fear."

"even wizards"
This is inclusive of wizards, not unique of them. The way I interpret it is that it's only flaming attacks, not only wizards. So I'd say that a warrior priest with a spell granting flaming attacks would cause fear, regardless of whether he counts as a wizard or not.

THIS is the correct answer - "even" is an inclusive statement, allowing even wizards to cause fear if they have spells that cause flaming attacks
Warrior Priests have a spell that causes flaming attacks, and thus cause fear even if the spell has not been cast

Am i wrong in reading it as, any model that has a flaming attack causes Fear as preciscly that?


Or is it specific to Warbeasts Chariots and what not?

Causes fear in

In is used to denote an exclusive list of things you cause fear to

Q: Do all forms of Flaming Attacks cause Fear in war beasts,
cavalry and chariots? (p69)
A: Yes, any model that has a Flaming Attack will cause Fear.
This includes unit upgrades, models that only have ranged
flaming attacks and even Wizards with spells that cause
Flaming Attacks.

Thats the bit i saw and probably misread.

I think it has to do with once the spell is cast, not before. So Wizards, once they cast the spell, cause fear, not before.

Rivet wrote:I think it has to do with once the spell is cast, not before. So Wizards, once they cast the spell, cause fear, not before.

Which isnt what the FAQ says.

Bloodhorror wrote:

Q: Do all forms of Flaming Attacks cause Fear in war beasts,
cavalry and chariots? (p69)
A: Yes, any model that has a Flaming Attack will cause Fear.
This includes unit upgrades, models that only have ranged
flaming attacks and even Wizards with spells that cause
Flaming Attacks.

Thats the bit i saw and probably misread.

Well, it does say "any model that has a Flaming Attack will cause Fear" and doesn't try to qualify that fear. You could make an argument that flaming attacks = fear; but I don't think anyone would take it seriously. Hypothetically, answers to FAQs are only relevant in the context of the question asked. Then again, this is GW.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Warrior Priests have a spell that causes flaming attacks, and thus cause fear even if the spell has not been cast

Does it matter that Warrior Priests don't have a spell that causes flaming attacks; but rather Warrior Priests have a spell that causes their (and their units') attacks to be flaming?

A subtle difference, just trying to cover all bases and address potential opponent arguments.

Keep forgetting Soulfire has two parts.

Yes, he causes Fear.

Nope, he doesn't cause fear, prayers are bound spells, models with bound spells are not wizards (although some wizards may have access to bound spells), as the FAQ is inclusive only of wizards (models with wizard levels) he does not cause fear.

Krellnus wrote:Nope, he doesn't cause fear, prayers are bound spells, models with bound spells are not wizards (although some wizards may have access to bound spells), as the FAQ is inclusive only of wizards (models with wizard levels) he does not cause fear.

Not too sure I agree with this line of arguement as it would suggest that if a wizard takes Ruby Ring of Ruin then he would cause fear but if a non-wizard character takes the ruby Ring then he would not. Does not make much sense to me

The answer to the FAQ is Yes; all forms of flaming attacks cause fear in the appropiate troop type, is a bound spell that causes flaming attacks a form of flaming attack? I would say the answer is a simple yes.

Krellnus wrote:Nope, he doesn't cause fear, prayers are bound spells, models with bound spells are not wizards (although some wizards may have access to bound spells), as the FAQ is inclusive only of wizards (models with wizard levels) he does not cause fear.

Incorrect, for the reasons already stated.

The FAQ is *inclusive* of models that are wizards, by using "EVEN" this means that this is an example of models that cause flaming attacks via spells then causing fear, but not the *only* models tha tcan gain flaming attacks that then cause fear

WP cause fear in cavalry (etc)

Meh, I will stick with my Vampire Counts where this point is moot.

WHFB You Make Da Call 101: Nosferatu1001 is never wrong. I've argued points with him, and he has always ended up being right.\


People need to get the idea that the WP isn't a wizard out of their heads. It doesn't say ONLY wizards. It mentions spells. Prayers and Bound Spells are still spells in the most basic sense.

If the model has the POTENTIAL to cause flaming attacks(be they fireballs, shooting, or melee attacks) then they cause fear in the models listed for the rule.

I've been wrong before, usually when its been al long weekend. I'm fairly sure on this one, given the very inclusive nature of the FAQ, however

I would agree that they cause fear purely for the "even" part. When it says even it's just an example

I would say yes even the ruby ring of ruin now causes fear in warbeasts.

Wait, why does not the flaming ruby ring make the person cause fear in horses?

Niiai wrote:Wait, why does not the flaming ruby ring make the person cause fear in horses?

They do cause it.